Cleveland Under 6 wins ...max 10 unit wager for me...im not a huge NFL weekly capper...but this wager will give me plenty of skin in the game for the entire season.
Breaking news: Josh Gordon relapsed and could be officially done for a very long time.
If you were already leaning towards the under, take it now before the line gets to 5.
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Cleveland Under 6 wins ...max 10 unit wager for me...im not a huge NFL weekly capper...but this wager will give me plenty of skin in the game for the entire season.
Breaking news: Josh Gordon relapsed and could be officially done for a very long time.
If you were already leaning towards the under, take it now before the line gets to 5.
I can see the Browns getting to 6+ wins with Tyrod Taylor as starting QB...I think the only way the under hits is if they get off to a really bad start like 1-4 and then decide to play Baker. Tyrod not great by any means but is a decent QB.
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I can see the Browns getting to 6+ wins with Tyrod Taylor as starting QB...I think the only way the under hits is if they get off to a really bad start like 1-4 and then decide to play Baker. Tyrod not great by any means but is a decent QB.
According to the early lines projected at Killer Sports, CLV is predicted to be favored only twice - Week 3 hosting NYJ and Week 16 hosting CIN. KS doesn't have the Week 17 line up @ BAL, but they won't be favored in that game.
If they lose all the games they are SUPPOSED to (as dogs), they'll have an upside limit of only 2 wins. That favors the under.
There is an analysis in Marc Lawrence's Playbook (I don't think it's from him) that favors CLV in Week 1 vs. PIT. If they pull off that upset against a team that has completely dominated them for years, their entire season will look upbeat.
The Pythagorean analysis of points scored/allowed says CLV should have had 3 wins, not 0 last year, and that was with the wretched Kizer at QB. Just replacing him with Taylor could get them to 5 or 6 wins. Everything I have read says CLV's off-season moves strengthened their defense. That should also give them a boost.
Under 6 is not a lock, but I mildly lean that way.
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According to the early lines projected at Killer Sports, CLV is predicted to be favored only twice - Week 3 hosting NYJ and Week 16 hosting CIN. KS doesn't have the Week 17 line up @ BAL, but they won't be favored in that game.
If they lose all the games they are SUPPOSED to (as dogs), they'll have an upside limit of only 2 wins. That favors the under.
There is an analysis in Marc Lawrence's Playbook (I don't think it's from him) that favors CLV in Week 1 vs. PIT. If they pull off that upset against a team that has completely dominated them for years, their entire season will look upbeat.
The Pythagorean analysis of points scored/allowed says CLV should have had 3 wins, not 0 last year, and that was with the wretched Kizer at QB. Just replacing him with Taylor could get them to 5 or 6 wins. Everything I have read says CLV's off-season moves strengthened their defense. That should also give them a boost.
Under 6 is not a lock, but I mildly lean that way.
Find me 6 wins in that schedule. If they don’t take 1 at home vs ravens or chargers and then win @ bucs they won’t crack 6 wins.
I like it buddy.
Ofcourse when you look at the schedule its looks daunting based off there last 2 years....Pitt in game 1 is known to start off slow and play bad on the road. The 1st 4-5 games will tell all. I expect a 2-2 start.
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Find me 6 wins in that schedule. If they don’t take 1 at home vs ravens or chargers and then win @ bucs they won’t crack 6 wins.
I like it buddy.
Ofcourse when you look at the schedule its looks daunting based off there last 2 years....Pitt in game 1 is known to start off slow and play bad on the road. The 1st 4-5 games will tell all. I expect a 2-2 start.
Updated - News is Josh Gordon is not relapsed / facing suspension but did announce he will not be attending training camp. Could mean nothing, could mean everything.
Dogbite - keep in mind that all of Marc Lawrence's stats are for the cover rather than the outright win. I saw the same thing, his Playbook trend analysis definitely leans Cleveland.
Personally, I picked it as a 29-20 Browns win when the schedule was released back in April. Admittedly, I'm a homer.
I'm gonna wait for public money to push the season total down to five or possibly less and hit the over.
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Updated - News is Josh Gordon is not relapsed / facing suspension but did announce he will not be attending training camp. Could mean nothing, could mean everything.
Dogbite - keep in mind that all of Marc Lawrence's stats are for the cover rather than the outright win. I saw the same thing, his Playbook trend analysis definitely leans Cleveland.
Personally, I picked it as a 29-20 Browns win when the schedule was released back in April. Admittedly, I'm a homer.
I'm gonna wait for public money to push the season total down to five or possibly less and hit the over.
Last year there was no team the sharps backed more ats than the Browns...sometimes you really dont need to overthink things and just let the trend be your friend until that friend decides to walk in another direction...Tyrod is ok at best, but has no legit target to throw to now without Gordon in the field...if the season is over by week 6 with a 1-5 start...enter Baker and a very rough steep learning curve...4-12 would be an accomplishment if Mayfield takes over the
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Last year there was no team the sharps backed more ats than the Browns...sometimes you really dont need to overthink things and just let the trend be your friend until that friend decides to walk in another direction...Tyrod is ok at best, but has no legit target to throw to now without Gordon in the field...if the season is over by week 6 with a 1-5 start...enter Baker and a very rough steep learning curve...4-12 would be an accomplishment if Mayfield takes over the
Last year there was no team the sharps backed more ats than the Browns...sometimes you really dont need to overthink things and just let the trend be your friend until that friend decides to walk in another direction...Tyrod is ok at best, but has no legit target to throw to now without Gordon in the field...if the season is over by week 6 with a 1-5 start...enter Baker and a very rough steep learning curve...4-12 would be an accomplishment if Mayfield takes over the
have to disagree with you on this one PB. Landry is the perfect receiver for Tyrod and Coleman is a legit deep threat he just has never had a guy that could get him the ball. Also, there is rumors they might sign Eli Rogers and lets not forget about Hyde and Duke in the backfield. The team has weapons thats for damn sure but will it all come together just like that? time will tell.
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Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:
Last year there was no team the sharps backed more ats than the Browns...sometimes you really dont need to overthink things and just let the trend be your friend until that friend decides to walk in another direction...Tyrod is ok at best, but has no legit target to throw to now without Gordon in the field...if the season is over by week 6 with a 1-5 start...enter Baker and a very rough steep learning curve...4-12 would be an accomplishment if Mayfield takes over the
have to disagree with you on this one PB. Landry is the perfect receiver for Tyrod and Coleman is a legit deep threat he just has never had a guy that could get him the ball. Also, there is rumors they might sign Eli Rogers and lets not forget about Hyde and Duke in the backfield. The team has weapons thats for damn sure but will it all come together just like that? time will tell.
Stepping stones perhaps...but for the sale of this season wins wager, in no scenario do i see them going 7-9 with their schedule...6 win season for them would be a small miracle and then its a push for me at worst...the reality of "the browns black cloud" following them around should be lifted at earliest next season, once Mayfield pays his rookie dues to the league...i agree they appear to have a solid defense, but we are not in the 1980s or 90s where the game was favoring defensive orientated football...its all about throwing and offensive production...Taylor is a game manager at best and isnt the type of QB that will win or steal you a win....if the Browns get lucky and win the turnover battle they have a chance, along with any further Salvatore pocket index cards
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Stepping stones perhaps...but for the sale of this season wins wager, in no scenario do i see them going 7-9 with their schedule...6 win season for them would be a small miracle and then its a push for me at worst...the reality of "the browns black cloud" following them around should be lifted at earliest next season, once Mayfield pays his rookie dues to the league...i agree they appear to have a solid defense, but we are not in the 1980s or 90s where the game was favoring defensive orientated football...its all about throwing and offensive production...Taylor is a game manager at best and isnt the type of QB that will win or steal you a win....if the Browns get lucky and win the turnover battle they have a chance, along with any further Salvatore pocket index cards
Stepping stones perhaps...but for the sale of this season wins wager, in no scenario do i see them going 7-9 with their schedule...6 win season for them would be a small miracle and then its a push for me at worst...the reality of "the browns black cloud" following them around should be lifted at earliest next season, once Mayfield pays his rookie dues to the league...i agree they appear to have a solid defense, but we are not in the 1980s or 90s where the game was favoring defensive orientated football...its all about throwing and offensive production...Taylor is a game manager at best and isnt the type of QB that will win or steal you a win....if the Browns get lucky and win the turnover battle they have a chance, along with any further Salvatore pocket index cards
Philly, Minnesota, Jags all in the conference ship last year. Top 3 defenses in the league so I dont agree with take on defenses. That schedule is brutal but Kizer really was that bad last year tyrod will give them a much better chance this year combined with a lot more talent on offense, and more added defensive players. It will be interesting to see
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Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:
Stepping stones perhaps...but for the sale of this season wins wager, in no scenario do i see them going 7-9 with their schedule...6 win season for them would be a small miracle and then its a push for me at worst...the reality of "the browns black cloud" following them around should be lifted at earliest next season, once Mayfield pays his rookie dues to the league...i agree they appear to have a solid defense, but we are not in the 1980s or 90s where the game was favoring defensive orientated football...its all about throwing and offensive production...Taylor is a game manager at best and isnt the type of QB that will win or steal you a win....if the Browns get lucky and win the turnover battle they have a chance, along with any further Salvatore pocket index cards
Philly, Minnesota, Jags all in the conference ship last year. Top 3 defenses in the league so I dont agree with take on defenses. That schedule is brutal but Kizer really was that bad last year tyrod will give them a much better chance this year combined with a lot more talent on offense, and more added defensive players. It will be interesting to see
True Benny, however those 3 teams you mentioned had talent and firework capability on the offensive side too...even Boertles stepped up in the playoffs.
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True Benny, however those 3 teams you mentioned had talent and firework capability on the offensive side too...even Boertles stepped up in the playoffs.
Correct...im paying slightly more juice, but with the investment im putting down for the next several months, i dont want to be exposed to any backdoor mooses if by some reason they end up with 6 and im sitting there with 5.5 sweating out perhaps a totally meaningless tankfest few last games of the season for their opponents.
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Quote Originally Posted by Goggles-Pisano:
Pack, under 6 meaning 6 is a push and 7 to loose?
Correct...im paying slightly more juice, but with the investment im putting down for the next several months, i dont want to be exposed to any backdoor mooses if by some reason they end up with 6 and im sitting there with 5.5 sweating out perhaps a totally meaningless tankfest few last games of the season for their opponents.
Gordon missing camp is just a pre-emptive move to get ahead of his league mandated counseling.
But still, 5 wins is a miracle for this bunch of clowns. Lame duck coach, new pieces everywhere and a rough schedule. Stadium will be empty by mid-October as usual.
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Gordon missing camp is just a pre-emptive move to get ahead of his league mandated counseling.
But still, 5 wins is a miracle for this bunch of clowns. Lame duck coach, new pieces everywhere and a rough schedule. Stadium will be empty by mid-October as usual.
Gordon missing camp is just a pre-emptive move to get ahead of his league mandated counseling.
But still, 5 wins is a miracle for this bunch of clowns. Lame duck coach, new pieces everywhere and a rough schedule. Stadium will be empty by mid-October as usual.
Beg to differ...the stadium is never empty. 0-16 or 16-0 the fans are there. ALWAYS. #believeland
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Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:
Gordon missing camp is just a pre-emptive move to get ahead of his league mandated counseling.
But still, 5 wins is a miracle for this bunch of clowns. Lame duck coach, new pieces everywhere and a rough schedule. Stadium will be empty by mid-October as usual.
Beg to differ...the stadium is never empty. 0-16 or 16-0 the fans are there. ALWAYS. #believeland
Beg to differ...the stadium is never empty. 0-16 or 16-0 the fans are there. ALWAYS. #believeland
What? Have you watched a November/December home game the last 4 years? If it wasn't for orange seats and visiting team fans the place wouldn't be 1/4 full. Should I pull up the Fox8 news stories about the visiting team fans outnumbering Browns 'fans' at the downtown bars before and after the game?
Are you still the owner of Colt McCoy jersey?
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Quote Originally Posted by omb1:
Beg to differ...the stadium is never empty. 0-16 or 16-0 the fans are there. ALWAYS. #believeland
What? Have you watched a November/December home game the last 4 years? If it wasn't for orange seats and visiting team fans the place wouldn't be 1/4 full. Should I pull up the Fox8 news stories about the visiting team fans outnumbering Browns 'fans' at the downtown bars before and after the game?
Last year there was no team the sharps backed more ats than the Browns...sometimes you really dont need to overthink things and just let the trend be your friend until that friend decides to walk in another direction...Tyrod is ok at best, but has no legit target to throw to now without Gordon in the field...if the season is over by week 6 with a 1-5 start...enter Baker and a very rough steep learning curve...4-12 would be an accomplishment if Mayfield takes over the
There always seems to be a horrible team that the sharps back in the NFL every year. If my memory serves me right, they are usually blowing their load a year too early.
2 years ago the sharps loved the Jaguars, they stunk. The following year they shined.
Personally I don't have an opinion on the season win total, it could be a sharp #.
I do think that Tyrod will make a HUGE difference. Kiser was a turn over machine, and Tyrod is quite the opposite in that department.
Kiser had astronomically bad #'s in DVOA, DYAR and QBR. Some of the worst in history.
Joe Thomas retired, dude was an iron-man. Ironically, the first injury he ever sustained was the one that did him in.
One prediction I could make for that division is that maybe the Bengals finish with less wins than the Browns? Pitt won't be as great as some think, and the Ravens got kinda old fast, at ever position.
The AFC North will be pretty lame imo.
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Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:
Last year there was no team the sharps backed more ats than the Browns...sometimes you really dont need to overthink things and just let the trend be your friend until that friend decides to walk in another direction...Tyrod is ok at best, but has no legit target to throw to now without Gordon in the field...if the season is over by week 6 with a 1-5 start...enter Baker and a very rough steep learning curve...4-12 would be an accomplishment if Mayfield takes over the
There always seems to be a horrible team that the sharps back in the NFL every year. If my memory serves me right, they are usually blowing their load a year too early.
2 years ago the sharps loved the Jaguars, they stunk. The following year they shined.
Personally I don't have an opinion on the season win total, it could be a sharp #.
I do think that Tyrod will make a HUGE difference. Kiser was a turn over machine, and Tyrod is quite the opposite in that department.
Kiser had astronomically bad #'s in DVOA, DYAR and QBR. Some of the worst in history.
Joe Thomas retired, dude was an iron-man. Ironically, the first injury he ever sustained was the one that did him in.
One prediction I could make for that division is that maybe the Bengals finish with less wins than the Browns? Pitt won't be as great as some think, and the Ravens got kinda old fast, at ever position.
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