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such a common misconception that the best defense will win the SB. This is the lazy way of looking at the matchup, and the majority of you keep spitting out Pats #1 ranked scoring defense, blah, blah, blah. MEANS NOTHING. They haven't played a team even close to ATL's offensive skill level this season, and stop trying to convince yourself that they have. Look at the past SB winners over a span of the last 10 years. They've all had one DOMINANT SIDE (2016 Broncos D, 2015 Pats O, 2014 Seattle D, etc.), whether it's offensive side or defensive side, doesn't matter, but has to be one. ATL has the DOMINANT side this year. Pats are average on both sides. This is an offensive league now whether you want to admit it or not. Just look at all the rule changes to benefit the offense. The Falcons offensive skill set/talent hasn't been seen in the NFL in awhile. This is why they will win the SB.
 
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You make some valid points, however you'e forgetting the coaching and experience angle. Hoodie has proven he can develop a game plan to shut down high powered offenses (2000 Rams and 1990 Buffalo Bills).
 
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Quote Originally Posted by JackParkman:

You make some valid points, however you'e forgetting the coaching and experience angle. Hoodie has proven he can develop a game plan to shut down high powered offenses (2000 Rams and 1990 Buffalo Bills).

not forgetting it, just know it's built in the line. Pretty sad if Pats are -3 with the "experience factor." BB can be defeated too. This is a Falcons line.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Contrarian21:


not forgetting it, just know it's built in the line. Pretty sad if Pats are -3 with the "experience factor." BB can be defeated too. This is a Falcons line.

How about having the better defense, quarterback, coach and experience? When I think of experience, I think of the Panthers coming into the Super Bowl and getting manhandled by the Broncos. 
 
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Nobody is saying the best defense wins every SB.

What they are saying is when a no. 1 ranked offense plays a no. 1 ranked defense the defense wins most every time which is factually correct.

Now  that is a completely different argument then your tying to make.

Great offenssive teams with weak defenses don't win SB's is again factually correct.

But again a different argument then your tying to make.
 
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I'm confused... 

"The Falcons offensive skill set/talent hasn't been seen in the NFL in awhile." 

This is the 2016-2017 season, the Falcons scored 540 points, 7th best in league history. 5 of the other 6 have scored more points within the last 9 years, most of them in the last 5 years. So I don't know how accurate that statement is. 

The teams that you mention that won the SB having one DOMINANT side to their game have just that, ONE dominant side. They've had to win on that side in spite of the other. The Pats have a DOMINANT side on offense and very good defense. Since Bradys return they've averaged 30.7 ppg vs ATL's 33.4 ppg so to discount the offense of NE is ludicrous. 
 
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How many number 1 defenses in history have had an offense that ranks in the top 10? Because I'd like to think most teams that had a dominant defense didn't have a top 10 offense. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

Nobody is saying the best defense wins every SB.

What they are saying is when a no. 1 ranked offense plays a no. 1 ranked defense the defense wins most every time which is factually correct.

Now  that is a completely different argument then your tying to make.

Great offenssive teams with weak defenses don't win SB's is again factually correct.

But again a different argument then your tying to make.

I completely disagree. A historic high potent offense will always win against a good defense. The offense knows where it's going. Seems simple, but it's the truth.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bigamoose:

Contrarian21 YOU  JUST lost all credibility with me

past history shows the highest scoring offenses all lost game and $$$ to the better defense Patriots twice had it lost BOTH times the GIANTS defense they didnt crack 20 points in either superbowl vs The GIANTS

this year IF giants dint get the wc they be there BUT thier defense guru is gone PATRIOTS finally whip them





speak English please. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Contrarian21:


I completely disagree. A historic high potent offense will always win against a good defense. The offense knows where it's going. Seems simple, but it's the truth.

You can disagree all you want, history has proven you are dead wrong.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Nycgags:


You can disagree all you want, history has proven you are dead wrong.

Dude, I could not care less about history with DIFFERENT PLAYERS. Why must anyone think this has any bearing on the outcome of the game. You're a complete amateur. How did your posted picks do this season?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Nycgags:


I'm dumb, but...

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what is this slop? Did you just learn how to copy & paste?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Contrarian21:


Dude, I could not care less about history with DIFFERENT PLAYERS. Why must anyone think this has any bearing on the outcome of the game. You're a complete amateur. How did your posted picks do this season?

Can you contradict yourself any HARDER?

Look at the past SB winners over a span of the last 10 years.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Nycgags:


Can you contradict yourself any HARDER?

Look at the past SB winners over a span of the last 10 years.

I'm looking at winners, not useless copy & paste stats that you only seem to provide.
 
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I think I was over 60% win rate this season (might have been as high as 65% at the end, started off hot at about 75% win rate, not sure how that has any bearing on my posts.  Feel free to comb through all of my posts if my pick rate dominance is that important to you.

Wild Card: I was travelling and placed no bets
Divisional: I had Pats over Texans, Falcons over Seahawks, Steelers over Chiefs, leaned Cowboys but did not bet it (and stated as much in my posts). 3-0 
Conference: I went 1-1, won with Patriots, lost with Packers

So ~60% win rate regular season and 4-1 in the playoffs, I showed you mine big mouth, now time for you to show me yours.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by plays4all:

If the pats have such a good defense, why the hell is the total set at almost 60?


Vegas lines are not predictors of the future, they are there to receive equal money on both sides and make money off the juice.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Contrarian21:


Dude, I could not care less about history with DIFFERENT PLAYERS. Why must anyone think this has any bearing on the outcome of the game. You're a complete amateur. How did your posted picks do this season?

Here's my week 15 thread, show me yours...

https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=21&sub=102360415

feel free to verify by going through all of my week 7 through week 15 picks.
 
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Too much head trauma in that jeep results to spit out pages of NEW COURIER font style poop.  Even in a jeep, going up and down hills, that head needs to be protected. Come on now nycgags
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:

 What's your record this past year? What is documented in this site that makes you come into this thread and be an @$$hole to a stand up guy like mac? Bro, humble yourself. You aren't undefeated yet you act like it. Apparently, these last two weeks, I'm calling schmucks out left and right. 

Calling out schmucks?  Where did I say I was undefeated, as posted in Contrarian's thread, I will post here as well.  I expect you to post your record since you are "calling people out", if you don't post it we all know how big of a man you are.

60% regular season
80% in the playoffs (4-1)

https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=21&sub=102360415
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Nycgags:

I think I was over 60% win rate this season (might have been as high as 65% at the end, started off hot at about 75% win rate, not sure how that has any bearing on my posts.  Feel free to comb through all of my posts if my pick rate dominance is that important to you.

Wild Card: I was travelling and placed no bets
Divisional: I had Pats over Texans, Falcons over Seahawks, Steelers over Chiefs, leaned Cowboys but did not bet it (and stated as much in my posts). 3-0 
Conference: I went 1-1, won with Patriots, lost with Packers

So ~60% win rate regular season and 4-1 in the playoffs, I showed you mine big mouth, now time for you to show me yours.

read the headline of this thread. Go and search yourself. They're there, just not doing any work for you. Playoffs only. Disappear.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Contrarian21:


read the headline of this thread. Go and search yourself. They're there, just not doing any work for you. Playoffs only. Disappear.

Don't make demands of other posters if you can't produce yourself.

AKA

Put Up or Shut Up.
 
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It's apparently clear that the point of this thread is too much for most to comprehend. Once the Pats lose, it'll all make sense.
 
 
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guy is obviously just trolling all of you
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