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    Kurtenbach: Shanahan, Garoppolo’s 49ers will be defined by their Super Bowl LIV choke

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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2020 - 12:41 PM ET #1

    Great article explaining why the Niners might be a great fade next year. Very few teams, if any, survive this kind of SB collapse. The article gives us several compelling examples:

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/03/kurtenbach-shanahans-49ers-will-be-defined-by-their-super-bowl-liv-loss/

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Great article explaining why the Niners might be a great fade next year. Very few teams, if any, survive this kind of SB collapse. The article gives us several compelling examples:

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/03/kurtenbach-shanahans-49ers-will-be-defined-by-their-super-bowl-liv-loss/

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2020 - 12:46 PM ET #2

    didn't read the article but yes that type of loss could ruin this 49er team .. just look at Matt Ryan he has never been the same since that choke job and probably will never be in the Superbowl again
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    didn't read the article but yes that type of loss could ruin this 49er team .. just look at Matt Ryan he has never been the same since that choke job and probably will never be in the Superbowl again
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2020 - 12:59 PM ET #3

    Here is another good article which I will paste:

    Twice in the last four years, a team coached by Kyle Shanahan has entered the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl with a double-digit lead. 

    While the 40-year-old San Francisco 49ers head coach has plenty of time to rewrite his career narrative, the fact that he still has zero Super Bowl rings is damning.

    The Atlanta Falcons wouldn't have blown a 25-point lead to the New England Patriots in Super Bowl LI if not for Shanahan's astonishingly bad play-calling as Atlanta's offensive coordinator, and the 49ers might have held on to beat the Kansas City Chiefs in Super Bowl LIV on Sunday night if not for another dose of highly questionable play-calling from the third-year head coach. 

    Sunday's 31-20 loss solidifies Shanahan's reputation as a choker. 

    He wasn't responsible for defensive lapses against the Patriots on that fateful night in February 2017, and his defensive coordinator (Robert Saleh) and defensive personnel deserve a share of the blame for Sunday's collapse, but his teams have unbelievably and inexcusably been outscored 46-0 in the fourth quarter/overtime in his two Super Bowl appearances. 

    That'll haunt him. It'll stick with him. It'll follow him around for the remainder of his career, no matter how much success he has in San Francisco and/or elsewhere.

    It's clear that with the Vince Lombardi Trophy within reach, Shanahan gets the yips. 

    We saw that when he inexplicably called three passes on a late-third-quarter three-and-out that gave the Patriots momentum in a 28-9 game. And we saw it again when he got too fancy and ditched the run in field-goal range while holding an eight-point lead in the final minutes of that game—a puzzling approach that led to a sack, a penalty and a punt that kept the Pats alive. 

    And while this Sunday's meltdown wasn't as dramatic, Shanahan again appeared to get in his own head when his team had a chance to put a championship away.

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    Here is another good article which I will paste:

    Twice in the last four years, a team coached by Kyle Shanahan has entered the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl with a double-digit lead. 

    While the 40-year-old San Francisco 49ers head coach has plenty of time to rewrite his career narrative, the fact that he still has zero Super Bowl rings is damning.

    The Atlanta Falcons wouldn't have blown a 25-point lead to the New England Patriots in Super Bowl LI if not for Shanahan's astonishingly bad play-calling as Atlanta's offensive coordinator, and the 49ers might have held on to beat the Kansas City Chiefs in Super Bowl LIV on Sunday night if not for another dose of highly questionable play-calling from the third-year head coach. 

    Sunday's 31-20 loss solidifies Shanahan's reputation as a choker. 

    He wasn't responsible for defensive lapses against the Patriots on that fateful night in February 2017, and his defensive coordinator (Robert Saleh) and defensive personnel deserve a share of the blame for Sunday's collapse, but his teams have unbelievably and inexcusably been outscored 46-0 in the fourth quarter/overtime in his two Super Bowl appearances. 

    That'll haunt him. It'll stick with him. It'll follow him around for the remainder of his career, no matter how much success he has in San Francisco and/or elsewhere.

    It's clear that with the Vince Lombardi Trophy within reach, Shanahan gets the yips. 

    We saw that when he inexplicably called three passes on a late-third-quarter three-and-out that gave the Patriots momentum in a 28-9 game. And we saw it again when he got too fancy and ditched the run in field-goal range while holding an eight-point lead in the final minutes of that game—a puzzling approach that led to a sack, a penalty and a punt that kept the Pats alive. 

    And while this Sunday's meltdown wasn't as dramatic, Shanahan again appeared to get in his own head when his team had a chance to put a championship away.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2020 - 1:00 PM ET #4

    When San Francisco's Tarvarius Moore intercepted a deflected Patrick Mahomes pass with 11:57 remaining in the fourth quarter, this game should have been over. The 49ers had the ball, a 10-point lead and a running game that looked unstoppable. 

    To that point, 49ers running backs Raheem Mostert and Tevin Coleman, as well as wide receiver Deebo Samuel, had averaged 6.9 yards per rushing attempt. Both Mostert and Coleman had already put together monster playoff performances this year, and San Francisco had the NFC's No. 1 running game during the regular season.

    And yet, the 49ers ran the ball just four times the remainder of the night. 

    When Mostert gained just one yard on a first-down play with about 10 minutes remaining, Shanahan appeared to panic. Quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo (who did seemingly audible at the line of scrimmage) threw a wildly inaccurate incomplete play-action pass on second down, which led to a penalty, a short scramble and a punt. 

    Kansas City then drove down the field to cut the lead to three. And after Mostert ran for a solid five yards on the first play of San Francisco's next series, Garoppolo again threw an incomplete play-action pass, this time out of the shotgun. He threw incomplete under pressure on an obvious passing down after that, and the 49ers had to punt after taking just 48 seconds off the clock. 

    Just 154 seconds later, the lead was gone and the script was flipped.

    Shanahan has to at least be considered the worst clock-bleeder in Super Bowl history. 

    Sure, the Chiefs keyed on the run. But the box was by no means stacked on that second-down throw just inside the 10-minute mark, and the throw on 3rd-and-5 on the three-and-out came against a six-man box. 

    Plus, San Francisco's only two runs in the final 10 minutes gained 22 yards, so it's not as though the running game was no longer effective when called upon. 

    Shanahan coached scared with the lead, and he panicked again when he lost it. 

    Mostert gained 17 yards on the first play from scrimmage after the 49ers had fallen behind 24-20, but that was the breakout star's final touch of the game. They took a false start penalty on an attempted run right after that, but they threw on 1st-and-15 when the two-minute warning hit. They ignored a wide-open box and threw again on first down at the Kansas City 49-yard line. They threw from the shotgun against a six-man box on second down, and beyond that the hole was too deep.

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    When San Francisco's Tarvarius Moore intercepted a deflected Patrick Mahomes pass with 11:57 remaining in the fourth quarter, this game should have been over. The 49ers had the ball, a 10-point lead and a running game that looked unstoppable. 

    To that point, 49ers running backs Raheem Mostert and Tevin Coleman, as well as wide receiver Deebo Samuel, had averaged 6.9 yards per rushing attempt. Both Mostert and Coleman had already put together monster playoff performances this year, and San Francisco had the NFC's No. 1 running game during the regular season.

    And yet, the 49ers ran the ball just four times the remainder of the night. 

    When Mostert gained just one yard on a first-down play with about 10 minutes remaining, Shanahan appeared to panic. Quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo (who did seemingly audible at the line of scrimmage) threw a wildly inaccurate incomplete play-action pass on second down, which led to a penalty, a short scramble and a punt. 

    Kansas City then drove down the field to cut the lead to three. And after Mostert ran for a solid five yards on the first play of San Francisco's next series, Garoppolo again threw an incomplete play-action pass, this time out of the shotgun. He threw incomplete under pressure on an obvious passing down after that, and the 49ers had to punt after taking just 48 seconds off the clock. 

    Just 154 seconds later, the lead was gone and the script was flipped.

    Shanahan has to at least be considered the worst clock-bleeder in Super Bowl history. 

    Sure, the Chiefs keyed on the run. But the box was by no means stacked on that second-down throw just inside the 10-minute mark, and the throw on 3rd-and-5 on the three-and-out came against a six-man box. 

    Plus, San Francisco's only two runs in the final 10 minutes gained 22 yards, so it's not as though the running game was no longer effective when called upon. 

    Shanahan coached scared with the lead, and he panicked again when he lost it. 

    Mostert gained 17 yards on the first play from scrimmage after the 49ers had fallen behind 24-20, but that was the breakout star's final touch of the game. They took a false start penalty on an attempted run right after that, but they threw on 1st-and-15 when the two-minute warning hit. They ignored a wide-open box and threw again on first down at the Kansas City 49-yard line. They threw from the shotgun against a six-man box on second down, and beyond that the hole was too deep.

     
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    On that particular drive, the Chiefs—now in the lead—were giving the San Francisco offense openings to run again, and the clock was a non-factor when the 49ers hit Kansas City's side of the field with just under two minutes remaining and three timeouts in their back pocket. 

    Instead, they played into Kansas City's hands by consistently putting the ball in Garoppolo's. 

    And it has to pain 49ers fans that it might not have come to that if Shanahan hadn't handled the end of the first half in such idiotic and cowardly fashion.

    The game was tied 10-10 at that point, and it looked like the 49ers would have a chance to take the lead going into halftime when they made a third-down stop at the Kansas City 49-yard line with 1:45 remaining. But Shanahan inexplicably opted not to use a timeout before Kansas City's punt, costing his team 40 seconds. With less than a minute remaining, they then handed off twice in a row.

    They finally moved the ball through the air on third down, but only after the Chiefs forced them to by using a defensive timeout. If not for a tough George Kittle offensive pass interference penalty on the ensuing first-down play, they would have moved into field-goal range. But after that, there was no time to work with, and they had to settle for a halftime tie. 

    It's beyond baffling that Shanahan was apparently content with that, especially with such a glaring opportunity to grab critical pre-halftime points. But that again is an indication that he coached this Super Bowl with three-year-old trauma clouding his judgment. 

    That trauma is worse now, and it'll likely linger for decades to come.

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    On that particular drive, the Chiefs—now in the lead—were giving the San Francisco offense openings to run again, and the clock was a non-factor when the 49ers hit Kansas City's side of the field with just under two minutes remaining and three timeouts in their back pocket. 

    Instead, they played into Kansas City's hands by consistently putting the ball in Garoppolo's. 

    And it has to pain 49ers fans that it might not have come to that if Shanahan hadn't handled the end of the first half in such idiotic and cowardly fashion.

    The game was tied 10-10 at that point, and it looked like the 49ers would have a chance to take the lead going into halftime when they made a third-down stop at the Kansas City 49-yard line with 1:45 remaining. But Shanahan inexplicably opted not to use a timeout before Kansas City's punt, costing his team 40 seconds. With less than a minute remaining, they then handed off twice in a row.

    They finally moved the ball through the air on third down, but only after the Chiefs forced them to by using a defensive timeout. If not for a tough George Kittle offensive pass interference penalty on the ensuing first-down play, they would have moved into field-goal range. But after that, there was no time to work with, and they had to settle for a halftime tie. 

    It's beyond baffling that Shanahan was apparently content with that, especially with such a glaring opportunity to grab critical pre-halftime points. But that again is an indication that he coached this Super Bowl with three-year-old trauma clouding his judgment. 

    That trauma is worse now, and it'll likely linger for decades to come.

     
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    Per @ESPNStatsInfo, Kyle Shanahan has now been a coach on the two Super Bowl teams with the highest win probability ... that ended up losing the game.

    Falcons 99.7% (vs. Patriots in SB LI)

    49ers 96.1% (vs. Chiefs in SB LIV)
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    Per @ESPNStatsInfo, Kyle Shanahan has now been a coach on the two Super Bowl teams with the highest win probability ... that ended up losing the game.

    Falcons 99.7% (vs. Patriots in SB LI)

    49ers 96.1% (vs. Chiefs in SB LIV)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Per @ESPNStatsInfo, Kyle Shanahan has now been a coach on the two Super Bowl teams with the highest win probability ... that ended up losing the game.

    Falcons 99.7% (vs. Patriots in SB LI)

    49ers 96.1% (vs. Chiefs in SB LIV)

    Did you catch Niners President Lunch stand up and signal the time out sign from his press box? He was vehemently angry and shocked his head coach lost his balls again. I don’t see how you bring back this mental midget Shanahan next season. If he was cooked before this game, he’s well done now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Per @ESPNStatsInfo, Kyle Shanahan has now been a coach on the two Super Bowl teams with the highest win probability ... that ended up losing the game.

    Falcons 99.7% (vs. Patriots in SB LI)

    49ers 96.1% (vs. Chiefs in SB LIV)

    Did you catch Niners President Lunch stand up and signal the time out sign from his press box? He was vehemently angry and shocked his head coach lost his balls again. I don’t see how you bring back this mental midget Shanahan next season. If he was cooked before this game, he’s well done now.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:


    Did you catch Niners President Lunch stand up and signal the time out sign from his press box? He was vehemently angry and shocked his head coach lost his balls again. I don’t see how you bring back this mental midget Shanahan next season. If he was cooked before this game, he’s well done now.
    a better question is why did the 49ers hire a buffoon who had the biggest choke job in NFL history to begin with? honestly i was baffled by seeing so many good cappers making the biggest bet of their lives on Shitahan knowing his is the biggest choke artist in NFL history .. history tends to repeat itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:


    Did you catch Niners President Lunch stand up and signal the time out sign from his press box? He was vehemently angry and shocked his head coach lost his balls again. I don’t see how you bring back this mental midget Shanahan next season. If he was cooked before this game, he’s well done now.
    a better question is why did the 49ers hire a buffoon who had the biggest choke job in NFL history to begin with? honestly i was baffled by seeing so many good cappers making the biggest bet of their lives on Shitahan knowing his is the biggest choke artist in NFL history .. history tends to repeat itself
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2020 - 2:52 PM ET #9

    49ers we're up 20-10.....it was 20-17 with over 6 minutes left.....Why are u sounding as if it was a 3 score lead in the 4th....The 49ers RB ran for 86 yards....All the gimmick stuff to Debo on running plays were sniffed out in the 2nd half... 49ers weren't exactly running the ball like they were vs GB and Minny...

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    49ers we're up 20-10.....it was 20-17 with over 6 minutes left.....Why are u sounding as if it was a 3 score lead in the 4th....The 49ers RB ran for 86 yards....All the gimmick stuff to Debo on running plays were sniffed out in the 2nd half... 49ers weren't exactly running the ball like they were vs GB and Minny...

     
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    Nobody wants 2 give  KC defense any credit

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    Nobody wants 2 give  KC defense any credit

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:


    Did you catch Niners President Lunch stand up and signal the time out sign from his press box? He was vehemently angry and shocked his head coach lost his balls again. I don’t see how you bring back this mental midget Shanahan next season. If he was cooked before this game, he’s well done now.


    That and the 4th and 2 where they settled for a FG were the two worst single decisions in the game. He had to know that he would need 27-30 points to win this game. He had to know. Putting it on the defense made no sense because in today's game the rules favor the offense. He also had to know, and something he got to witness in action, that that the officiating was going to favor the Chiefs as there were zero holding calls on their o-line even though they were holding all day. Knowing all that, you gotta go win that game instead of hanging on and trying not to lose.

    Of course we both saw signs of this during that first Seattle game, the Atlanta game, and even the end of the first half of the Baltimore game (and maybe even the second Seattle game when they gave Wilson a second chance instead of going for it on 4th and one). We both commented on it, but people on the forum called us crazy and shouted us down. For some reason, I thought he would learn from those situations. But he never did. Sad for the team. Shany let them down big time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:


    Did you catch Niners President Lunch stand up and signal the time out sign from his press box? He was vehemently angry and shocked his head coach lost his balls again. I don’t see how you bring back this mental midget Shanahan next season. If he was cooked before this game, he’s well done now.


    That and the 4th and 2 where they settled for a FG were the two worst single decisions in the game. He had to know that he would need 27-30 points to win this game. He had to know. Putting it on the defense made no sense because in today's game the rules favor the offense. He also had to know, and something he got to witness in action, that that the officiating was going to favor the Chiefs as there were zero holding calls on their o-line even though they were holding all day. Knowing all that, you gotta go win that game instead of hanging on and trying not to lose.

    Of course we both saw signs of this during that first Seattle game, the Atlanta game, and even the end of the first half of the Baltimore game (and maybe even the second Seattle game when they gave Wilson a second chance instead of going for it on 4th and one). We both commented on it, but people on the forum called us crazy and shouted us down. For some reason, I thought he would learn from those situations. But he never did. Sad for the team. Shany let them down big time.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:

    49ers we're up 20-10.....it was 20-17 with over 6 minutes left.....Why are u sounding as if it was a 3 score lead in the 4th....The 49ers RB ran for 86 yards....All the gimmick stuff to Debo on running plays were sniffed out in the 2nd half... 49ers weren't exactly running the ball like they were vs GB and Minny...



    Really? Where is your evidence for that? When did they stop it? The answer is never. He simply stopped going to it. Last I checked, coaching 101 says you keep doing what is working until the defense adjusts. There was no evidence they had adjusted. We only have your word for it. Give me a break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:

    49ers we're up 20-10.....it was 20-17 with over 6 minutes left.....Why are u sounding as if it was a 3 score lead in the 4th....The 49ers RB ran for 86 yards....All the gimmick stuff to Debo on running plays were sniffed out in the 2nd half... 49ers weren't exactly running the ball like they were vs GB and Minny...



    Really? Where is your evidence for that? When did they stop it? The answer is never. He simply stopped going to it. Last I checked, coaching 101 says you keep doing what is working until the defense adjusts. There was no evidence they had adjusted. We only have your word for it. Give me a break.
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