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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2015 - 10:18 AM ET #1

    After going a completely mediocre 40-36 for +.1 units last year, lets try try again for 2015.

    Getting some early bets in now.

    Indy -2.5  2 units.  I cant see the Bills taking as much forward progress as Luck will.  Luck is growing by leaps and bounds and I expect them to win the division.

    Dolphins -2.5  1 unit.  Redskins a mess as usual.  Will be better once they stop giving RGIII chances.

    Houston -1.5  2 units  I think this team may win its games 9-6 but that defense is beastly.  At home, its tough to bet against.

    Arizona -2.5  2 units.  Saints are dunzo.  Brees cant play three flies up with Graham anymore.


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    After going a completely mediocre 40-36 for +.1 units last year, lets try try again for 2015.

    Getting some early bets in now.

    Indy -2.5  2 units.  I cant see the Bills taking as much forward progress as Luck will.  Luck is growing by leaps and bounds and I expect them to win the division.

    Dolphins -2.5  1 unit.  Redskins a mess as usual.  Will be better once they stop giving RGIII chances.

    Houston -1.5  2 units  I think this team may win its games 9-6 but that defense is beastly.  At home, its tough to bet against.

    Arizona -2.5  2 units.  Saints are dunzo.  Brees cant play three flies up with Graham anymore.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2015 - 1:25 PM ET #2

    Ok sir, we are both from L.A., and I appreciate that you use the word alumnus... 

    so allow me to respectfully play devil's advocate.

    POINT NUMBER ONE-

    I have seen this particular point across many gamblers on this site. Let me tell you something from experience... I am more successful when playing a COMBINATION of totals and sides. If I were to pick 5 sides, there are going to be 2-3 that I am very certain of. 

    Of those 3, I will likely lose 1 on an average week. I will lose 2 on a bad week, 0 on a great week. 

    HOWEVER... if you look at the totals, and really look at both sides of the ball for both teams and match them up in your mind's eye, you will begin to see some mismatches that are just as strong as your strongest side plays....

    So, I know you're worried about totals, you think it's totally random, a lot of people have admitted this concern. But try to take teams Under who don't have QBs, also try to take "domination" games Under. Take competitive games (27-24) Over, and "shootout" games (2 good QBs) over. 

    POINT 2 regarding your picks....

    It's not that some or all of them won't come through, but let's look at the glaring mistake you are making...

    You are representing two road favorites...

    You are building yourself a bulletproof house of cards by not questioning your assumptions..

    For example "the Saints are dunzo"... are they? Did they do nothing this year to get better? The reason why teams "surprise" the public every year is because the public want the game to be decided by 1-2 players. It is not. This game, more than any other, is decided by 44 players in almost equal part. 

    This is the ultimate team game. You need all 5 offensive linemen working in unison to afford your QB time to throw. You need your defensive front getting pressure to give your back end chances to make contested plays. 

    You obviously need your DBs to make plays and you need your Wideouts to catch the ball. 

    Jimmy Graham is a good player to have of course, but does he equal Max Unger and Stephone Anthony? Not in my opinion. I believe the Saints got the better of that deal. 

    Drew Brees is one of the most accurate QBs in the history of the league. Last year they lost Darren Sproles and the c.o.p. back role and it hurt their scheme. Now they have CJ Spiller in that role. 

    They drafted Andrus Peat at Tackle out of Stanford. 

    They are likely going to get Jairus Byrd healthy this year. That is a HUUUGE upgrade over what they had last year. Playing alongside Byrd is going to help Vaccaro break through his sophomore slump. If you don't think Brandon Browner is going to make this team better than Corey White did last year, you didn't watch either last year. 

    Be careful when handicapping to make sure you know EVERY matchup because while I am not discounting that the Cardinals cannot win, you should be looking for LOPSIDED match ups. 

    My side plays would be:

    Steelers (Garapollo v. Roethlisberger)
    Jets (really good team with an under rated QB and a much improved offensive system)
    Ravens+4 (I think they are the better team)


    HOWEVER I want to let you know...

    My ACTUAL PLAYS for week one so far...

    Steelers +2
    Jets/Browns Under 41 (and pray for no pick sixes, I am allowed 10.25 points a quarter. I am going to be praying for 0-3 points in one Quarter.)
    Dolphins/Skins Under 44 (two really good defenses square up, I don't see a ton of points here, maybe 21-13)
    Cowboys/Giants OVER (two really good offenses I'm hoping for an explosive start, 14-14 first half)

    Everything is a gamble. I think my biggest lock is Jets/Browns Under, how are these two teams going to score? The Browns ran the ball more than any other team last year, will that change with Kyle Shanahan gone? I don't think so. I think they will try to protect their QB by running the ball as much as possible. 

    The Jets scare me here, I think they can score, but there also will be an emphasis on less turnovers. I believe Devin Smith from Ohio State is going to get a couple of shots deep, and I think Geno will connect at least once. I see the Jets scoring 21-24 and I really want the Browns to score 17 even. 

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    Ok sir, we are both from L.A., and I appreciate that you use the word alumnus... 

    so allow me to respectfully play devil's advocate.

    POINT NUMBER ONE-

    I have seen this particular point across many gamblers on this site. Let me tell you something from experience... I am more successful when playing a COMBINATION of totals and sides. If I were to pick 5 sides, there are going to be 2-3 that I am very certain of. 

    Of those 3, I will likely lose 1 on an average week. I will lose 2 on a bad week, 0 on a great week. 

    HOWEVER... if you look at the totals, and really look at both sides of the ball for both teams and match them up in your mind's eye, you will begin to see some mismatches that are just as strong as your strongest side plays....

    So, I know you're worried about totals, you think it's totally random, a lot of people have admitted this concern. But try to take teams Under who don't have QBs, also try to take "domination" games Under. Take competitive games (27-24) Over, and "shootout" games (2 good QBs) over. 

    POINT 2 regarding your picks....

    It's not that some or all of them won't come through, but let's look at the glaring mistake you are making...

    You are representing two road favorites...

    You are building yourself a bulletproof house of cards by not questioning your assumptions..

    For example "the Saints are dunzo"... are they? Did they do nothing this year to get better? The reason why teams "surprise" the public every year is because the public want the game to be decided by 1-2 players. It is not. This game, more than any other, is decided by 44 players in almost equal part. 

    This is the ultimate team game. You need all 5 offensive linemen working in unison to afford your QB time to throw. You need your defensive front getting pressure to give your back end chances to make contested plays. 

    You obviously need your DBs to make plays and you need your Wideouts to catch the ball. 

    Jimmy Graham is a good player to have of course, but does he equal Max Unger and Stephone Anthony? Not in my opinion. I believe the Saints got the better of that deal. 

    Drew Brees is one of the most accurate QBs in the history of the league. Last year they lost Darren Sproles and the c.o.p. back role and it hurt their scheme. Now they have CJ Spiller in that role. 

    They drafted Andrus Peat at Tackle out of Stanford. 

    They are likely going to get Jairus Byrd healthy this year. That is a HUUUGE upgrade over what they had last year. Playing alongside Byrd is going to help Vaccaro break through his sophomore slump. If you don't think Brandon Browner is going to make this team better than Corey White did last year, you didn't watch either last year. 

    Be careful when handicapping to make sure you know EVERY matchup because while I am not discounting that the Cardinals cannot win, you should be looking for LOPSIDED match ups. 

    My side plays would be:

    Steelers (Garapollo v. Roethlisberger)
    Jets (really good team with an under rated QB and a much improved offensive system)
    Ravens+4 (I think they are the better team)


    HOWEVER I want to let you know...

    My ACTUAL PLAYS for week one so far...

    Steelers +2
    Jets/Browns Under 41 (and pray for no pick sixes, I am allowed 10.25 points a quarter. I am going to be praying for 0-3 points in one Quarter.)
    Dolphins/Skins Under 44 (two really good defenses square up, I don't see a ton of points here, maybe 21-13)
    Cowboys/Giants OVER (two really good offenses I'm hoping for an explosive start, 14-14 first half)

    Everything is a gamble. I think my biggest lock is Jets/Browns Under, how are these two teams going to score? The Browns ran the ball more than any other team last year, will that change with Kyle Shanahan gone? I don't think so. I think they will try to protect their QB by running the ball as much as possible. 

    The Jets scare me here, I think they can score, but there also will be an emphasis on less turnovers. I believe Devin Smith from Ohio State is going to get a couple of shots deep, and I think Geno will connect at least once. I see the Jets scoring 21-24 and I really want the Browns to score 17 even. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 31, 2015 - 9:27 AM ET #3

    This is awesome feedback!  Thanks!

    1.  I get 2 road favs first week is potentially risky.  However, Bree's is 36 and his primary outlet the past few years is gone.  Even with better protection, I think he's going to lose zip this year but still  force throws.  Arians young D just got older and will feast on this IMHO.  As for Indy, I think they finish 12-4 with only losses to New England, at Pitt, Thursday short week at Houston, and at Miami late in the season when Miami has it's back against the wall and is doing it's usually playoff in/out dance.

    2.  I don't fare too well with totals off the bat.  Need to see a few games first and even then I don't play them often but the insight is appreciated.

    3.  I like the Pitt pick with Brady now out and the Giants over.
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    This is awesome feedback!  Thanks!

    1.  I get 2 road favs first week is potentially risky.  However, Bree's is 36 and his primary outlet the past few years is gone.  Even with better protection, I think he's going to lose zip this year but still  force throws.  Arians young D just got older and will feast on this IMHO.  As for Indy, I think they finish 12-4 with only losses to New England, at Pitt, Thursday short week at Houston, and at Miami late in the season when Miami has it's back against the wall and is doing it's usually playoff in/out dance.

    2.  I don't fare too well with totals off the bat.  Need to see a few games first and even then I don't play them often but the insight is appreciated.

    3.  I like the Pitt pick with Brady now out and the Giants over.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2015 - 9:01 PM ET #4

    Philly -2.  2 units.  Shock and awe to start the season.
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2015 - 2:31 AM ET #5

    Rough 2-3 start to the season for -2.5 units

    Panthers -3 1 unit.  Texas QB woes continue on the road.  Ryan Mallett?  Ugh.

    Kansas City -3 1 unit.  Still not sold on Peyton Manning being good this year.  I feel this is the year he falls off.

    Titans -1  4 units.  Mariotta no fluke.  Browns another QB mess.

    Cinci -3  1 unit.  Hill looked great against the Raiders,  See the same against the Chargers at home.

    Ravens -6  2 units.  Raiders God awful  Again.

    Giants -2.5   unit.  Eli will atone for the Dallas gaffe.  Falcons outside their dome suck.

    Lot of picks...


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    Rough 2-3 start to the season for -2.5 units

    Panthers -3 1 unit.  Texas QB woes continue on the road.  Ryan Mallett?  Ugh.

    Kansas City -3 1 unit.  Still not sold on Peyton Manning being good this year.  I feel this is the year he falls off.

    Titans -1  4 units.  Mariotta no fluke.  Browns another QB mess.

    Cinci -3  1 unit.  Hill looked great against the Raiders,  See the same against the Chargers at home.

    Ravens -6  2 units.  Raiders God awful  Again.

    Giants -2.5   unit.  Eli will atone for the Dallas gaffe.  Falcons outside their dome suck.

    Lot of picks...


     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2015 - 6:52 PM ET #6

    Blech 2-4 for -6.8 units.  

    Overall 4-7 for -9.3 units.  Great start....

    Cardinals -6  3 units.  No way 9ers dont get pounded again on the road.  This should have happened week 1.  Their defense is awful and Cadinals offense more than capable.

    Steelers -1  2 units.  Rams victory over the Seahawks looking less impressive than it was.  Pitt rebounding nicely from NE game

    It for now...


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    Blech 2-4 for -6.8 units.  

    Overall 4-7 for -9.3 units.  Great start....

    Cardinals -6  3 units.  No way 9ers dont get pounded again on the road.  This should have happened week 1.  Their defense is awful and Cadinals offense more than capable.

    Steelers -1  2 units.  Rams victory over the Seahawks looking less impressive than it was.  Pitt rebounding nicely from NE game

    It for now...


     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2015 - 5:28 PM ET #7

    Adding Giants -3  2 units.  Eli cant blow this one..
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2015 - 10:18 AM ET #8

    Falcons -1.  1 unit.  Unless Weeden has somehow reverted to Ok St Weeden, Falcons should be too much offensively.
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    Falcons -1.  1 unit.  Unless Weeden has somehow reverted to Ok St Weeden, Falcons should be too much offensively.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2015 - 4:45 PM ET #9

    Holy crap the 9ers suck.  Going to just go ahead and book that one.

    4-0 for +8 units

    Overall 8-7 for -1.3 units.  Nice bounce back
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    Holy crap the 9ers suck.  Going to just go ahead and book that one.

    4-0 for +8 units

    Overall 8-7 for -1.3 units.  Nice bounce back
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2015 - 11:19 PM ET #10

    Miami +1.5  1 unit.  Dont see the Jets taking this one on the road.  Buffalo and Taylor decent

    Buffalo over 47  1 unit.  Fireworks with Taylor Eli and bad pass defense.

    Philly -3.5  1 unit. Redskins awful and Eagles clicking.  Where is pre-season Bradford?

    Atlanta -6  1 unit.  How is Houston supposed to keep up?  Especially with their suspect pass D

    Raiders -2.5  1 unit.  Bears will at least score.


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    Miami +1.5  1 unit.  Dont see the Jets taking this one on the road.  Buffalo and Taylor decent

    Buffalo over 47  1 unit.  Fireworks with Taylor Eli and bad pass defense.

    Philly -3.5  1 unit. Redskins awful and Eagles clicking.  Where is pre-season Bradford?

    Atlanta -6  1 unit.  How is Houston supposed to keep up?  Especially with their suspect pass D

    Raiders -2.5  1 unit.  Bears will at least score.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2015 - 8:27 PM ET #11

    GB -4 buying half -120  1 unit.  What am I missing?
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2015 - 5:56 PM ET #12

    Augh.  Killed here as well.  2-4 for  -2.4 units

    Overall 10-11 for -3.7 units

    Two team 6 pt teaser. -110  Atlanta -2 and Pats -2.  Falcons not getting respect at home and oh boy, a rested Brady against Weeden...  4 units

    Giants -7  2 units.  9ers are a waste of space.  If Giants D can shut down Taylor....

    More once more lines are up


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    Overall 10-11 for -3.7 units

    Two team 6 pt teaser. -110  Atlanta -2 and Pats -2.  Falcons not getting respect at home and oh boy, a rested Brady against Weeden...  4 units

    Giants -7  2 units.  9ers are a waste of space.  If Giants D can shut down Taylor....

    More once more lines are up


     
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    Porcelainfist...

    I once commented  you always say STUPID things in peoples threads.

    Something has changed, cause your clearly a bright guy, and care about people succeeding in here.

    My apologies.....C
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    I once commented  you always say STUPID things in peoples threads.

    Something has changed, cause your clearly a bright guy, and care about people succeeding in here.

    My apologies.....C
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2015 - 6:41 PM ET #14

    Cooler - did I miss a post?  Did it get deleted?  Who's Porcelain fist?

    Houston -5.  1 unit.  Hasselbeck has the flu, Luck out, the rest of the team doesnt seem to be able to carry the Colts, Foster back.  If Houston and their D cant win here, when can they?
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    Houston -5.  1 unit.  Hasselbeck has the flu, Luck out, the rest of the team doesnt seem to be able to carry the Colts, Foster back.  If Houston and their D cant win here, when can they?
     
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    Cinci -3  1 unit.  Russell Wilson has looked meh.  D can hold up but Cinci at home will Dalton.

    Atlanta -7  2 units.  Still rolling with Atlanta against the Redskins dysfunction.

    Giants -6.5  2 more units.  And Giants against the other dysfunction.

    Buffalo -2.5  1 unit.  Titans dont have the D to contain Taylor lik eht Giants.

    Broncos -4.5  2 units.  Broncos do and will make Carr pay for mistakes
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    Cinci -3  1 unit.  Russell Wilson has looked meh.  D can hold up but Cinci at home will Dalton.

    Atlanta -7  2 units.  Still rolling with Atlanta against the Redskins dysfunction.

    Giants -6.5  2 more units.  And Giants against the other dysfunction.

    Buffalo -2.5  1 unit.  Titans dont have the D to contain Taylor lik eht Giants.

    Broncos -4.5  2 units.  Broncos do and will make Carr pay for mistakes
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2015 - 5:15 PM ET #16

    1-4-1 -4.6 units.  Killing it as a fade.  Ugh.

    Overall 11-15-1 for -8.3 units

    Atlanta -3  2 units.  Saints wont do the upsetting.  Atlanta missed kicked themselves to death and still won.

    Broncos -4  1 unit.  Browns beat a bad Ravens team.  Broncos D will shut down McCown,

    Bengals -2  2 units.  Rex falling apart again.


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    1-4-1 -4.6 units.  Killing it as a fade.  Ugh.

    Overall 11-15-1 for -8.3 units

    Atlanta -3  2 units.  Saints wont do the upsetting.  Atlanta missed kicked themselves to death and still won.

    Broncos -4  1 unit.  Browns beat a bad Ravens team.  Broncos D will shut down McCown,

    Bengals -2  2 units.  Rex falling apart again.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 18, 2015 - 9:48 AM ET #17

    Adding another 2 units Broncos -3. 

    Pats -9.5. 2 units.  Should crush the Colts
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    Pats -9.5. 2 units.  Should crush the Colts
     
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    Posted: Oct. 18, 2015 - 11:58 PM ET #18

    F@$@!$K  Thanks Luck.

    2-2 for +.6 units

    Overall 13-17-1 for -7.7 units
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    F@$@!$K  Thanks Luck.

    2-2 for +.6 units

    Overall 13-17-1 for -7.7 units
     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2015 - 6:50 PM ET #19

    Atlanta -3.5  1 unit.

    Indy -5  2 units.  Drew on the road.

    Pats -8.5  2 units.  They are going to run the table.  Ugh.

    Cardinals -7 (buy half to -120) 1 unit
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    Indy -5  2 units.  Drew on the road.

    Pats -8.5  2 units.  They are going to run the table.  Ugh.

    Cardinals -7 (buy half to -120) 1 unit
     
     
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    Adding Giants -3.5  2 units.  Cassel?  On the road?
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