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    NYG @ SF; Take 2

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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2012 - 1:39 PM ET #1

    Okay, there have been some good posts supporting both sides along with emotional/biased posts under topic heading NYG @ SF.  Funny that most emotional/biased posts have been from Gmen backers.  Come on Giants backer, we all know that "barking dogs seldom bite".Here is a sample of some posts;

    Niners = Overrated. The dogs got lucky at home.}}

    YEP   all those breaks and still took em to the last 9 secs tp pull it out

    Nice team ...won with them straight up too ....but it ends here

    NYGMEN ML +115 I fucking love this bet and cant fucking wait to hear all the goddamn phony whiner fans clogging up the fucking airwaves bithching about this loss!  Niners and their fans are all classless fucks!  Go Seahawks and on Sunday Go Giants!!

    think how can the NEW YORK be the under dog people think?

    The GMEN is that is Valid enough

    This is the money making pick of the YEAR . .

    The Giants Will Win Straight up and down

    The Giants + Revenge - God help any team facing them.

    _________________________________________________

    Let's focus on matchups;

    QB:   Advantage NYG

    RB:   Advantage SF

    FB:   Advantage SF

    WR:  Advantage NYG

    TE:   Advantage SF

    OL:  Advantage SF

    DL:  Both units are EXCELLENT and can rush with only four

    LB:  Advantage SF

    Secondary:  Advantage SF

    Special Teams:  Advantage SF

    Coaching:   Advantage NYG  (based on overall experience)

    Home Field:   Advantage SF

    ProBowl Selections:  SF 2 on offense; 4 on def; 2 on ST

                                    NYG; 1 on offense; 1 on defense; 0 on ST

    Intangibles:   I think SF has an edge. They are home. They are rested. They have already beaten the Gmen.  Gmen are trying hard (talking a lot) to convince themselves that they can beat SF.

    So my lean remain the same.  SF has most of the advantages and SHOULD win this game.  If the Giants backer are all excited about their wins over ATL and the Packers, then they will have a RUDE AWAKENING come Sunday. 

    ATL relied on a power back and played into Gmen's strength on defense ( I posted this before the NYG/ATL game).  While the final score (24-2) indicates dominance, it was far from that.  It was a 10-2 game with less than 3 minutes to go in the third qtr.  That was despite the horrible decisions/play calling by ATL coaching staff.  They ran two fourth down plays by running the ball with Matt Ryan????????????????

    I posted before the NYG/GB game that Gmen are the hotter team.  Packs O-line was not healthy, their Offensive Coordinator was not around the whole week for game planning with a MAJOR tragedy.  I also had my doubts about how Aaron will play in the cold (posted and inquired before that game).  GB, overall was more impacted by the wintry condition (10+ miscues in passing game, dropped or overthrown) and had a horrible performance.

    Gmen will not face another cakewalk come Sunday.

    Giants backer; do come with some substance please!


     

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    Okay, there have been some good posts supporting both sides along with emotional/biased posts under topic heading NYG @ SF.  Funny that most emotional/biased posts have been from Gmen backers.  Come on Giants backer, we all know that "barking dogs seldom bite".Here is a sample of some posts;

    Niners = Overrated. The dogs got lucky at home.}}

    YEP   all those breaks and still took em to the last 9 secs tp pull it out

    Nice team ...won with them straight up too ....but it ends here

    NYGMEN ML +115 I fucking love this bet and cant fucking wait to hear all the goddamn phony whiner fans clogging up the fucking airwaves bithching about this loss!  Niners and their fans are all classless fucks!  Go Seahawks and on Sunday Go Giants!!

    think how can the NEW YORK be the under dog people think?

    The GMEN is that is Valid enough

    This is the money making pick of the YEAR . .

    The Giants Will Win Straight up and down

    The Giants + Revenge - God help any team facing them.

    _________________________________________________

    Let's focus on matchups;

    QB:   Advantage NYG

    RB:   Advantage SF

    FB:   Advantage SF

    WR:  Advantage NYG

    TE:   Advantage SF

    OL:  Advantage SF

    DL:  Both units are EXCELLENT and can rush with only four

    LB:  Advantage SF

    Secondary:  Advantage SF

    Special Teams:  Advantage SF

    Coaching:   Advantage NYG  (based on overall experience)

    Home Field:   Advantage SF

    ProBowl Selections:  SF 2 on offense; 4 on def; 2 on ST

                                    NYG; 1 on offense; 1 on defense; 0 on ST

    Intangibles:   I think SF has an edge. They are home. They are rested. They have already beaten the Gmen.  Gmen are trying hard (talking a lot) to convince themselves that they can beat SF.

    So my lean remain the same.  SF has most of the advantages and SHOULD win this game.  If the Giants backer are all excited about their wins over ATL and the Packers, then they will have a RUDE AWAKENING come Sunday. 

    ATL relied on a power back and played into Gmen's strength on defense ( I posted this before the NYG/ATL game).  While the final score (24-2) indicates dominance, it was far from that.  It was a 10-2 game with less than 3 minutes to go in the third qtr.  That was despite the horrible decisions/play calling by ATL coaching staff.  They ran two fourth down plays by running the ball with Matt Ryan????????????????

    I posted before the NYG/GB game that Gmen are the hotter team.  Packs O-line was not healthy, their Offensive Coordinator was not around the whole week for game planning with a MAJOR tragedy.  I also had my doubts about how Aaron will play in the cold (posted and inquired before that game).  GB, overall was more impacted by the wintry condition (10+ miscues in passing game, dropped or overthrown) and had a horrible performance.

    Gmen will not face another cakewalk come Sunday.

    Giants backer; do come with some substance please!


     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by EzzMoney:

    Okay, there have been some good posts supporting both sides along with emotional/biased posts under topic heading NYG @ SF.  Funny that most emotional/biased posts have been from Gmen backers.  Come on Giants backer, we all know that "barking dogs seldom bite".Here is a sample of some posts;

    Niners = Overrated. The dogs got lucky at home.}}

    YEP   all those breaks and still took em to the last 9 secs tp pull it out

    Nice team ...won with them straight up too ....but it ends here

    NYGMEN ML +115 I fucking love this bet and cant fucking wait to hear all the goddamn phony whiner fans clogging up the fucking airwaves bithching about this loss!  Niners and their fans are all classless fucks!  Go Seahawks and on Sunday Go Giants!!

    think how can the NEW YORK be the under dog people think?

    The GMEN is that is Valid enough

    This is the money making pick of the YEAR . .

    The Giants Will Win Straight up and down

    The Giants + Revenge - God help any team facing them.

    _________________________________________________

    Let's focus on matchups;

    QB:   Advantage NYG

    RB:   Advantage SF

    FB:   Advantage SF

    WR:  Advantage NYG

    TE:   Advantage SF

    OL:  Advantage SF

    DL:  Both units are EXCELLENT and can rush with only four

    LB:  Advantage SF

    Secondary:  Advantage SF

    Special Teams:  Advantage SF

    Coaching:   Advantage NYG  (based on overall experience)

    Home Field:   Advantage SF

    ProBowl Selections:  SF 2 on offense; 4 on def; 2 on ST

                                    NYG; 1 on offense; 1 on defense; 0 on ST

    Intangibles:   I think SF has an edge. They are home. They are rested. They have already beaten the Gmen.  Gmen are trying hard (talking a lot) to convince themselves that they can beat SF.

    So my lean remain the same.  SF has most of the advantages and SHOULD win this game.  If the Giants backer are all excited about their wins over ATL and the Packers, then they will have a RUDE AWAKENING come Sunday. 

    ATL relied on a power back and played into Gmen's strength on defense ( I posted this before the NYG/ATL game).  While the final score (24-2) indicates dominance, it was far from that.  It was a 10-2 game with less than 3 minutes to go in the third qtr.  That was despite the horrible decisions/play calling by ATL coaching staff.  They ran two fourth down plays by running the ball with Matt Ryan????????????????

    I posted before the NYG/GB game that Gmen are the hotter team.  Packs O-line was not healthy, their Offensive Coordinator was not around the whole week for game planning with a MAJOR tragedy.  I also had my doubts about how Aaron will play in the cold (posted and inquired before that game).  GB, overall was more impacted by the wintry condition (10+ miscues in passing game, dropped or overthrown) and had a horrible performance.

    Gmen will not face another cakewalk come Sunday.

    Giants backer; do come with some substance please!


     

    Stop embarassing yourself.  The pot calling the kettle black.  You're Username should be 49erBiased. 

    Let me just say this...the 49ers and a very sound team and they can win the game.  But if the Giants continue to play like they have the last 4 weeks, they are not losing.  Are you trying to convince yourself that the 49ers are better?  Such was the case for pretty much the entire season, but as of today, the Giants are the better team.  We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better...

    Put your money where you think it should go and let's see what happens. 

    I will say this...I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games and the Giants defense is not the Saints defense.

    I wouldn't be too confident putting my money against the Giants right now.

    Good Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by EzzMoney:

    Okay, there have been some good posts supporting both sides along with emotional/biased posts under topic heading NYG @ SF.  Funny that most emotional/biased posts have been from Gmen backers.  Come on Giants backer, we all know that "barking dogs seldom bite".Here is a sample of some posts;

    Niners = Overrated. The dogs got lucky at home.}}

    YEP   all those breaks and still took em to the last 9 secs tp pull it out

    Nice team ...won with them straight up too ....but it ends here

    NYGMEN ML +115 I fucking love this bet and cant fucking wait to hear all the goddamn phony whiner fans clogging up the fucking airwaves bithching about this loss!  Niners and their fans are all classless fucks!  Go Seahawks and on Sunday Go Giants!!

    think how can the NEW YORK be the under dog people think?

    The GMEN is that is Valid enough

    This is the money making pick of the YEAR . .

    The Giants Will Win Straight up and down

    The Giants + Revenge - God help any team facing them.

    _________________________________________________

    Let's focus on matchups;

    QB:   Advantage NYG

    RB:   Advantage SF

    FB:   Advantage SF

    WR:  Advantage NYG

    TE:   Advantage SF

    OL:  Advantage SF

    DL:  Both units are EXCELLENT and can rush with only four

    LB:  Advantage SF

    Secondary:  Advantage SF

    Special Teams:  Advantage SF

    Coaching:   Advantage NYG  (based on overall experience)

    Home Field:   Advantage SF

    ProBowl Selections:  SF 2 on offense; 4 on def; 2 on ST

                                    NYG; 1 on offense; 1 on defense; 0 on ST

    Intangibles:   I think SF has an edge. They are home. They are rested. They have already beaten the Gmen.  Gmen are trying hard (talking a lot) to convince themselves that they can beat SF.

    So my lean remain the same.  SF has most of the advantages and SHOULD win this game.  If the Giants backer are all excited about their wins over ATL and the Packers, then they will have a RUDE AWAKENING come Sunday. 

    ATL relied on a power back and played into Gmen's strength on defense ( I posted this before the NYG/ATL game).  While the final score (24-2) indicates dominance, it was far from that.  It was a 10-2 game with less than 3 minutes to go in the third qtr.  That was despite the horrible decisions/play calling by ATL coaching staff.  They ran two fourth down plays by running the ball with Matt Ryan????????????????

    I posted before the NYG/GB game that Gmen are the hotter team.  Packs O-line was not healthy, their Offensive Coordinator was not around the whole week for game planning with a MAJOR tragedy.  I also had my doubts about how Aaron will play in the cold (posted and inquired before that game).  GB, overall was more impacted by the wintry condition (10+ miscues in passing game, dropped or overthrown) and had a horrible performance.

    Gmen will not face another cakewalk come Sunday.

    Giants backer; do come with some substance please!


     

    Stop embarassing yourself.  The pot calling the kettle black.  You're Username should be 49erBiased. 

    Let me just say this...the 49ers and a very sound team and they can win the game.  But if the Giants continue to play like they have the last 4 weeks, they are not losing.  Are you trying to convince yourself that the 49ers are better?  Such was the case for pretty much the entire season, but as of today, the Giants are the better team.  We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better...

    Put your money where you think it should go and let's see what happens. 

    I will say this...I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games and the Giants defense is not the Saints defense.

    I wouldn't be too confident putting my money against the Giants right now.

    Good Luck

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2012 - 2:32 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoopdog7:

    Stop embarassing yourself.  The pot calling the kettle black.  You're Username should be 49erBiased. 

    Let me just say this...the 49ers and a very sound team and they can win the game.  But if the Giants continue to play like they have the last 4 weeks, they are not losing.  Are you trying to convince yourself that the 49ers are better?  Such was the case for pretty much the entire season, but as of today, the Giants are the better team.  We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better...

    Put your money where you think it should go and let's see what happens. 

    I will say this...I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games and the Giants defense is not the Saints defense.

    I wouldn't be too confident putting my money against the Giants right now.

    Good Luck



    And the 49ers def is not GBs, ATL, nor dallas.... Don't lose sight of who the Giants have beat the past few weeks... NYG beat a GB team that has been getting by on offense only all yr long, their defense has been putrid all year... That being said it's still a good win to go into GB and get a victory... Atl had to be one of the most head scratching teams this season but we can all agree they are just not a good team on the road... either way it's still a good win.... Dallas was just a mess, no need to even talk about them... Do you really think the NYG offense is better than NO? Come on man... The 9ers held the most potent offense next to NE to 17pts thru 55mins... i know everyone will say lucky turnovers but when the 9ers get as many turnovers as its had all season, it ain't luck... It's not like teams are just handing the ball to 49ers, they're getting hit, pressured into ints, this isn't an anomaly its a trend...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoopdog7:

    Stop embarassing yourself.  The pot calling the kettle black.  You're Username should be 49erBiased. 

    Let me just say this...the 49ers and a very sound team and they can win the game.  But if the Giants continue to play like they have the last 4 weeks, they are not losing.  Are you trying to convince yourself that the 49ers are better?  Such was the case for pretty much the entire season, but as of today, the Giants are the better team.  We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better...

    Put your money where you think it should go and let's see what happens. 

    I will say this...I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games and the Giants defense is not the Saints defense.

    I wouldn't be too confident putting my money against the Giants right now.

    Good Luck



    And the 49ers def is not GBs, ATL, nor dallas.... Don't lose sight of who the Giants have beat the past few weeks... NYG beat a GB team that has been getting by on offense only all yr long, their defense has been putrid all year... That being said it's still a good win to go into GB and get a victory... Atl had to be one of the most head scratching teams this season but we can all agree they are just not a good team on the road... either way it's still a good win.... Dallas was just a mess, no need to even talk about them... Do you really think the NYG offense is better than NO? Come on man... The 9ers held the most potent offense next to NE to 17pts thru 55mins... i know everyone will say lucky turnovers but when the 9ers get as many turnovers as its had all season, it ain't luck... It's not like teams are just handing the ball to 49ers, they're getting hit, pressured into ints, this isn't an anomaly its a trend...
     
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    I am with ya Ezz. Nice write up.
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    QUOTE Originally Posted by Zoopdog7:

    Stop embarassing yourself.  The pot calling the kettle black.  You're Username should be 49erBiased. 

    Let me just say this...the 49ers and a very sound team and they can win the game.  But if the Giants continue to play like they have the last 4 weeks, they are not losing.  Are you trying to convince yourself that the 49ers are better?  Such was the case for pretty much the entire season, but as of today, the Giants are the better team.  We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better...

    Put your money where you think it should go and let's see what happens. 

    I will say this...I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games and the Giants defense is not the Saints defense.

    I wouldn't be too confident putting my money against the Giants right now.

    Good Luck



    And the 49ers def is not GBs, ATL, nor dallas.... Don't lose sight of who the Giants have beat the past few weeks... NYG beat a GB team that has been getting by on offense only all yr long, their defense has been putrid all year... That being said it's still a good win to go into GB and get a victory... Atl had to be one of the most head scratching teams this season but we can all agree they are just not a good team on the road... either way it's still a good win.... Dallas was just a mess, no need to even talk about them... Do you really think the NYG offense is better than NO? Come on man... The 9ers held the most potent offense next to NE to 17pts thru 55mins... i know everyone will say lucky turnovers but when the 9ers get as many turnovers as its had all season, it ain't luck... It's not like teams are just handing the ball to 49ers, they're getting hit, pressured into ints, this isn't an anomaly its a trend...
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    Zoopdog,

    You wrote "We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better..."

    I disagree.  We do need to see who's offensive line is better.  That will have a MAJOR IMPACT on this game.  That has a MAJOR IMPACT in football games from PopWarner to the pros.

    Then you write "I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games"

    It is your prerogative to base your betting on how you choose.  I am hoping to get input from Giants backer as to why the matchups favor the Gmen. 

    Lmontalv,

    Thank you; I could not have articulated my response to Zoopdog any better.

     

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    QUOTE Originally Posted by Zoopdog7:

    Stop embarassing yourself.  The pot calling the kettle black.  You're Username should be 49erBiased. 

    Let me just say this...the 49ers and a very sound team and they can win the game.  But if the Giants continue to play like they have the last 4 weeks, they are not losing.  Are you trying to convince yourself that the 49ers are better?  Such was the case for pretty much the entire season, but as of today, the Giants are the better team.  We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better...

    Put your money where you think it should go and let's see what happens. 

    I will say this...I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games and the Giants defense is not the Saints defense.

    I wouldn't be too confident putting my money against the Giants right now.

    Good Luck



    And the 49ers def is not GBs, ATL, nor dallas.... Don't lose sight of who the Giants have beat the past few weeks... NYG beat a GB team that has been getting by on offense only all yr long, their defense has been putrid all year... That being said it's still a good win to go into GB and get a victory... Atl had to be one of the most head scratching teams this season but we can all agree they are just not a good team on the road... either way it's still a good win.... Dallas was just a mess, no need to even talk about them... Do you really think the NYG offense is better than NO? Come on man... The 9ers held the most potent offense next to NE to 17pts thru 55mins... i know everyone will say lucky turnovers but when the 9ers get as many turnovers as its had all season, it ain't luck... It's not like teams are just handing the ball to 49ers, they're getting hit, pressured into ints, this isn't an anomaly its a trend...
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    Zoopdog,

    You wrote "We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better..."

    I disagree.  We do need to see who's offensive line is better.  That will have a MAJOR IMPACT on this game.  That has a MAJOR IMPACT in football games from PopWarner to the pros.

    Then you write "I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games"

    It is your prerogative to base your betting on how you choose.  I am hoping to get input from Giants backer as to why the matchups favor the Gmen. 

    Lmontalv,

    Thank you; I could not have articulated my response to Zoopdog any better.

     

     
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    9ers is the pick for me. gonna be a sloppy wet day in san fran. not friendly to pass rushers or the visting team.  9ers win by 7 or more. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by EzzMoney:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Zoopdog7:

    Stop embarassing yourself.  The pot calling the kettle black.  You're Username should be 49erBiased. 

    Let me just say this...the 49ers and a very sound team and they can win the game.  But if the Giants continue to play like they have the last 4 weeks, they are not losing.  Are you trying to convince yourself that the 49ers are better?  Such was the case for pretty much the entire season, but as of today, the Giants are the better team.  We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better...

    Put your money where you think it should go and let's see what happens. 

    I will say this...I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games and the Giants defense is not the Saints defense.

    I wouldn't be too confident putting my money against the Giants right now.

    Good Luck



    And the 49ers def is not GBs, ATL, nor dallas.... Don't lose sight of who the Giants have beat the past few weeks... NYG beat a GB team that has been getting by on offense only all yr long, their defense has been putrid all year... That being said it's still a good win to go into GB and get a victory... Atl had to be one of the most head scratching teams this season but we can all agree they are just not a good team on the road... either way it's still a good win.... Dallas was just a mess, no need to even talk about them... Do you really think the NYG offense is better than NO? Come on man... The 9ers held the most potent offense next to NE to 17pts thru 55mins... i know everyone will say lucky turnovers but when the 9ers get as many turnovers as its had all season, it ain't luck... It's not like teams are just handing the ball to 49ers, they're getting hit, pressured into ints, this isn't an anomaly its a trend...
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    Zoopdog,

    You wrote "We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better..."

    I disagree.  We do need to see who's offensive line is better.  That will have a MAJOR IMPACT on this game.  That has a MAJOR IMPACT in football games from PopWarner to the pros.

    Then you write "I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games"

    It is your prerogative to base your betting on how you choose.  I am hoping to get input from Giants backer as to why the matchups favor the Gmen. 

    Lmontalv,

    Thank you; I could not have articulated my response to Zoopdog any better.

     

    Just another clueless homer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EzzMoney:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by Zoopdog7:

    Stop embarassing yourself.  The pot calling the kettle black.  You're Username should be 49erBiased. 

    Let me just say this...the 49ers and a very sound team and they can win the game.  But if the Giants continue to play like they have the last 4 weeks, they are not losing.  Are you trying to convince yourself that the 49ers are better?  Such was the case for pretty much the entire season, but as of today, the Giants are the better team.  We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better...

    Put your money where you think it should go and let's see what happens. 

    I will say this...I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games and the Giants defense is not the Saints defense.

    I wouldn't be too confident putting my money against the Giants right now.

    Good Luck



    And the 49ers def is not GBs, ATL, nor dallas.... Don't lose sight of who the Giants have beat the past few weeks... NYG beat a GB team that has been getting by on offense only all yr long, their defense has been putrid all year... That being said it's still a good win to go into GB and get a victory... Atl had to be one of the most head scratching teams this season but we can all agree they are just not a good team on the road... either way it's still a good win.... Dallas was just a mess, no need to even talk about them... Do you really think the NYG offense is better than NO? Come on man... The 9ers held the most potent offense next to NE to 17pts thru 55mins... i know everyone will say lucky turnovers but when the 9ers get as many turnovers as its had all season, it ain't luck... It's not like teams are just handing the ball to 49ers, they're getting hit, pressured into ints, this isn't an anomaly its a trend...
    _____________________________________________________

    Zoopdog,

    You wrote "We don't need to see how many pro bowlers they had or who's offensive line you think is better..."

    I disagree.  We do need to see who's offensive line is better.  That will have a MAJOR IMPACT on this game.  That has a MAJOR IMPACT in football games from PopWarner to the pros.

    Then you write "I don't like the odds of Alex Smith having back to back great games"

    It is your prerogative to base your betting on how you choose.  I am hoping to get input from Giants backer as to why the matchups favor the Gmen. 

    Lmontalv,

    Thank you; I could not have articulated my response to Zoopdog any better.

     

    Just another clueless homer!

     
     
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    read my post, all the substance you need
    ://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=21&sub=101244348

    NYG07,

    I read your post.  Here is my take.

    As you can see I am a Giants fan, but in all seriousness let me give you the reasons why the Giants will win this game and it will be by 7+ pts.

    San Fran had 5 turnovers last week but only made it to the red zone 4 times all game, this is VERY poor.   When they got to the red zone they scored 20 pts. The other 16 pts came on 2 big plays, a FG and missed 2pt conversion.

    <<<SF scored 4td's and 3 FG's.  They turned the first two turnovers into 10 points.  Some may see it as poor but most fans will be happy if there teams tunrned to's into points>>>

    5 Turnovers and big plays this week will NOT happen.  Aaron Rodgers longest completed pass was 21 yards.  This from an offense that scored 35 pts a game with HUGE plays.  The giants will concentrate on field position and make san francisco drive 70-90 yards to score TD's, it will take 10/11 play drives to do this. Their offense isnt capable. Thier drives will end in FG's and Akers will make all of them.  Harbaugh will be conservative in Giants territory believing his defense will stop the giants.  If by some reason the 49ers turn the ball over, which I think will happen maybe once at most it will hurt their offense further.

    <<<Agreed that five to's will likely not happen.  You have SF depicted wrong in your argument.  It is SF that likes to grind it out.  Giants rely more on the big plays than SF.  The 90 yarder to Cruz, 70+ to Nicks or Mannigham and 60+ to Nicks during the last three games allowed Gmen to control/win the games against Jets, ATL and GB.  NO, to some, was the most explosive team in the NFL.  They were limited (2 big plays).  Also, don't just discount the FG's.  Recall the first matchup with the Giants.  There were a total of six FG combined.  The first TD was not scored until ~2 minutes left in the third qtr.  IMO, this argument favors SF and not NYG.>>>


    San Fran won't score more than 20 pts in this game and I think it will be closer to 13-16.  Alex Smith has been sacked 48 times in 17 games.  The giants pass rush will get to him at least 2-3 times which will kill drives.  They wont have to blitz 3 players to get pressure like new orleans, Smith will have a much harder time completing passes and even with a run game that is very effective they wont score.

    <<< It is your opinion that SF wont score more than 20.  That has been said the whole year and SF managed to outsocre most teams they played to reach 13-3.  NO ONE & I MEAN NO ONE thought they will score 36 points against NO.  They did, and the last two TD's were not off of TO's.  They were well executed, length of the field, drives under pressure.>>>

    Boley didnt play the 2nd half in the last game and the giants were lost on defense and allowed 2 big plays which cost the giants the game.  They were up 13-12 in that game in third qtr.  Even with boley out the 49ers only were 3 for 11 on third down.  Boley is a major factor, the Giants are 11-3 this year when he plays a full game.

    <<< I agree with you on Boley.  He is hell a player.  Do remeber that Frank Gore did not play in the 2nd half of that game.  I think Boley's presence in the middle of the field will make a difference.  I also think that Harbaugh and company will adjust accordingly.  They have proven to make excellent half-time adjustments.>>>



    In the last game Manning threw for 311 yards average almost 8 per throw.  he went 7-14 on 3rd down and was able to move the ball very well.  Bradshaw missed the game. He is healthy and will make a huge difference.  Darren Sproles had 15 catches last week. Bradshaw will be a factor out of the backfield, something they didn't have last time they played. 

    <<< Bradshaw will make a difference but I doubt that it will be HUGE.  SF excells against the run.  Sproles, to many, was more of a challenge, due to his speed.  Yes, he had 15 catches which should tell you how effective SF covered the Saints wideouts, and how little time Brees had with only 3 or 4 men rushing as he kept choosing to dump off to Sproles.  In a foot race, Bradshaw would only see dust behind Sproles which should tell you the speed SF has at LB's.>>>

    The 49ers are an average 16th in the league in opponent passing yards and gave up 12 plays 40 yards or more which is the 5th most in all of the NFL.

    <<< Saints had more depth at WR's and better TE.  They were held in check and beaten.  Saints running attack was no less than Giants; they were beaten.  Both, NYG and NO had better stats; both were beaten.  SF is more effective where it counts, on the score board>>>



    The weather is completely overrated. The Giants will still be very effective throwing the ball, in fact it will probably be harder to cover Nicks, Cruz, Manningham when the corners are no able to make quick movements to recover when they get beat by them.  The giants WR's are more talented than New Orleans and they thrashed them.

    <<< I dont think weather favors eithe team.  Giants can play in bad weather and so can SF.   NO receivers trashded SF?  Comeon Bro, had that been true, Gmen would be headed to NO.>>>

    Eli Manning has 35 Td's and over 5400 yards this season including the 2 playoff games.  He WILL get his points.  He has thrown for 2 TD's or more in 13 of the 18 games and the giants are 9-4 in those games and average 28 pts per game.  The Giants will score 3 TD's on offense and probably 1-3 FG's from their other drives.  This will lead to 24-30 pts.

    <<< SF 13-3 in regular season; NYG 9-7.  Eli, Stafford, Vick, and Ben (albeit hurt) DID NOT get enough points in regular season to beat SF.  Romo was the only one who beat SF in 2nd game of the season, in OT>>>

    Final Score Giants 27-13

    Any Comments are appreciated.

    <<< I have no idea about the Final Score.  It will depend upon the weather, the game plans, the breaks, the mistakes, etc, etc, etc.  I just think that SF has a better chance of winnning this game>>

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    NYG07,

    I read your post.  Here is my take.

    As you can see I am a Giants fan, but in all seriousness let me give you the reasons why the Giants will win this game and it will be by 7+ pts.

    San Fran had 5 turnovers last week but only made it to the red zone 4 times all game, this is VERY poor.   When they got to the red zone they scored 20 pts. The other 16 pts came on 2 big plays, a FG and missed 2pt conversion.

    <<<SF scored 4td's and 3 FG's.  They turned the first two turnovers into 10 points.  Some may see it as poor but most fans will be happy if there teams tunrned to's into points>>>

    5 Turnovers and big plays this week will NOT happen.  Aaron Rodgers longest completed pass was 21 yards.  This from an offense that scored 35 pts a game with HUGE plays.  The giants will concentrate on field position and make san francisco drive 70-90 yards to score TD's, it will take 10/11 play drives to do this. Their offense isnt capable. Thier drives will end in FG's and Akers will make all of them.  Harbaugh will be conservative in Giants territory believing his defense will stop the giants.  If by some reason the 49ers turn the ball over, which I think will happen maybe once at most it will hurt their offense further.

    <<<Agreed that five to's will likely not happen.  You have SF depicted wrong in your argument.  It is SF that likes to grind it out.  Giants rely more on the big plays than SF.  The 90 yarder to Cruz, 70+ to Nicks or Mannigham and 60+ to Nicks during the last three games allowed Gmen to control/win the games against Jets, ATL and GB.  NO, to some, was the most explosive team in the NFL.  They were limited (2 big plays).  Also, don't just discount the FG's.  Recall the first matchup with the Giants.  There were a total of six FG combined.  The first TD was not scored until ~2 minutes left in the third qtr.  IMO, this argument favors SF and not NYG.>>>


    San Fran won't score more than 20 pts in this game and I think it will be closer to 13-16.  Alex Smith has been sacked 48 times in 17 games.  The giants pass rush will get to him at least 2-3 times which will kill drives.  They wont have to blitz 3 players to get pressure like new orleans, Smith will have a much harder time completing passes and even with a run game that is very effective they wont score.

    <<< It is your opinion that SF wont score more than 20.  That has been said the whole year and SF managed to outsocre most teams they played to reach 13-3.  NO ONE & I MEAN NO ONE thought they will score 36 points against NO.  They did, and the last two TD's were not off of TO's.  They were well executed, length of the field, drives under pressure.>>>

    Boley didnt play the 2nd half in the last game and the giants were lost on defense and allowed 2 big plays which cost the giants the game.  They were up 13-12 in that game in third qtr.  Even with boley out the 49ers only were 3 for 11 on third down.  Boley is a major factor, the Giants are 11-3 this year when he plays a full game.

    <<< I agree with you on Boley.  He is hell a player.  Do remeber that Frank Gore did not play in the 2nd half of that game.  I think Boley's presence in the middle of the field will make a difference.  I also think that Harbaugh and company will adjust accordingly.  They have proven to make excellent half-time adjustments.>>>



    In the last game Manning threw for 311 yards average almost 8 per throw.  he went 7-14 on 3rd down and was able to move the ball very well.  Bradshaw missed the game. He is healthy and will make a huge difference.  Darren Sproles had 15 catches last week. Bradshaw will be a factor out of the backfield, something they didn't have last time they played. 

    <<< Bradshaw will make a difference but I doubt that it will be HUGE.  SF excells against the run.  Sproles, to many, was more of a challenge, due to his speed.  Yes, he had 15 catches which should tell you how effective SF covered the Saints wideouts, and how little time Brees had with only 3 or 4 men rushing as he kept choosing to dump off to Sproles.  In a foot race, Bradshaw would only see dust behind Sproles which should tell you the speed SF has at LB's.>>>

    The 49ers are an average 16th in the league in opponent passing yards and gave up 12 plays 40 yards or more which is the 5th most in all of the NFL.

    <<< Saints had more depth at WR's and better TE.  They were held in check and beaten.  Saints running attack was no less than Giants; they were beaten.  Both, NYG and NO had better stats; both were beaten.  SF is more effective where it counts, on the score board>>>



    The weather is completely overrated. The Giants will still be very effective throwing the ball, in fact it will probably be harder to cover Nicks, Cruz, Manningham when the corners are no able to make quick movements to recover when they get beat by them.  The giants WR's are more talented than New Orleans and they thrashed them.

    <<< I dont think weather favors eithe team.  Giants can play in bad weather and so can SF.   NO receivers trashded SF?  Comeon Bro, had that been true, Gmen would be headed to NO.>>>

    Eli Manning has 35 Td's and over 5400 yards this season including the 2 playoff games.  He WILL get his points.  He has thrown for 2 TD's or more in 13 of the 18 games and the giants are 9-4 in those games and average 28 pts per game.  The Giants will score 3 TD's on offense and probably 1-3 FG's from their other drives.  This will lead to 24-30 pts.

    <<< SF 13-3 in regular season; NYG 9-7.  Eli, Stafford, Vick, and Ben (albeit hurt) DID NOT get enough points in regular season to beat SF.  Romo was the only one who beat SF in 2nd game of the season, in OT>>>

    Final Score Giants 27-13

    Any Comments are appreciated.

    <<< I have no idea about the Final Score.  It will depend upon the weather, the game plans, the breaks, the mistakes, etc, etc, etc.  I just think that SF has a better chance of winnning this game>>

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