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    STATS DONT LIE

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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 3:37 PM ET #1

    The Patriots didn't beat a single team with a winning record in the regular season, New England, whose lone win this season against an above .500 team came last week against the Ravens.

    The Giants have had success attacking the quarterback with 4 or fewer pass rushers this postseason, and it continued with 3 sacks of Alex Smith. Tom Brady only took 1 sack against the Ravens' standard pressure, but had one of his worst games of the year against 4 or fewer rushers. 

    The last sixteen favorites to score 30 or less points are 2-14-1 ATS, an interesting stat considering that Tom Coughlin’s teams have surrendered more than 28 points in only three of 15 postseason games while Bill Belichick’s troops have tallied more than 28 points in just six of 24 playoff contests.

    The 2012 Super Bowl will be the first in which quarterbacks who each have a Super Bowl MVP award will play against one another. New England's Tom Brady is one of only four players to win it multiple times, with Joe Montana (three times) Terry Bradshaw and Bart Starr.

    The Giants (9-7) - who defeated Atlanta (10-6), Green Bay (15-1) and San Francisco (13-3) - are only the second team to reach the Super Bowl via playoff victories over three opponents with a better regular-season record than its own (Arizona, 2008).

    Since '07, Brady has posted a 4-3 record in the postseason while tossing 16 touchdowns compared to 10 interceptions and recording a 90.0 quarterback rating. Don't get me wrong, those stats are far from awful but they are nowhere near Manning's. 

    Manning has a 7-1 record while throwing 14 touchdowns and only four interceptions and posting a 93.2 quarterback rating.

    The quarterback ratings may be close, but the record is rather alarming and so is the interception total. Another interesting stat that is extremely lopsided in Manning's favor is that he has thrown 14 passes greater than 25 yards while Brady has only six. 

    Since '07, it's safe to label Manning as the better postseason quarterback than Brady—stats simply don't lie.

    - This will be the third quarterback rematch in Super Bowl history. You will like the way the other two turned out, which is shown below: 
    Terry Bradshaw PITT vs Roger Staubach DALLAS... superbowls X and XIII which Bradshaw won both...Troy Aikman DALLAS vs Jim Kelly BILLS... superbowls XXVII and XXVIII which Aikman won both.... Eli Manning GIANTS vs Tom Brady PATRIOTS superbowls XLII and XLVI we know Eli won the 1st one?????????

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    The Patriots didn't beat a single team with a winning record in the regular season, New England, whose lone win this season against an above .500 team came last week against the Ravens.

    The Giants have had success attacking the quarterback with 4 or fewer pass rushers this postseason, and it continued with 3 sacks of Alex Smith. Tom Brady only took 1 sack against the Ravens' standard pressure, but had one of his worst games of the year against 4 or fewer rushers. 

    The last sixteen favorites to score 30 or less points are 2-14-1 ATS, an interesting stat considering that Tom Coughlin’s teams have surrendered more than 28 points in only three of 15 postseason games while Bill Belichick’s troops have tallied more than 28 points in just six of 24 playoff contests.

    The 2012 Super Bowl will be the first in which quarterbacks who each have a Super Bowl MVP award will play against one another. New England's Tom Brady is one of only four players to win it multiple times, with Joe Montana (three times) Terry Bradshaw and Bart Starr.

    The Giants (9-7) - who defeated Atlanta (10-6), Green Bay (15-1) and San Francisco (13-3) - are only the second team to reach the Super Bowl via playoff victories over three opponents with a better regular-season record than its own (Arizona, 2008).

    Since '07, Brady has posted a 4-3 record in the postseason while tossing 16 touchdowns compared to 10 interceptions and recording a 90.0 quarterback rating. Don't get me wrong, those stats are far from awful but they are nowhere near Manning's. 

    Manning has a 7-1 record while throwing 14 touchdowns and only four interceptions and posting a 93.2 quarterback rating.

    The quarterback ratings may be close, but the record is rather alarming and so is the interception total. Another interesting stat that is extremely lopsided in Manning's favor is that he has thrown 14 passes greater than 25 yards while Brady has only six. 

    Since '07, it's safe to label Manning as the better postseason quarterback than Brady—stats simply don't lie.

    - This will be the third quarterback rematch in Super Bowl history. You will like the way the other two turned out, which is shown below: 
    Terry Bradshaw PITT vs Roger Staubach DALLAS... superbowls X and XIII which Bradshaw won both...Troy Aikman DALLAS vs Jim Kelly BILLS... superbowls XXVII and XXVIII which Aikman won both.... Eli Manning GIANTS vs Tom Brady PATRIOTS superbowls XLII and XLVI we know Eli won the 1st one?????????

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 4:37 PM ET #2

    Pretty good research Mr.Still. I posted my pick last week..Giants + 3

    Did you know that you can watch highlights of the two previous meetings between these two teams this year ?

    Preseason game 4 and Regular season game week 9.

    Go to NFL.com click on preseason, Scores, week 4, click on regular season Week 9 or. Click Game

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    Pretty good research Mr.Still. I posted my pick last week..Giants + 3

    Did you know that you can watch highlights of the two previous meetings between these two teams this year ?

    Preseason game 4 and Regular season game week 9.

    Go to NFL.com click on preseason, Scores, week 4, click on regular season Week 9 or. Click Game

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 8:53 PM ET #3

    Great info Still... good write.
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    Great info Still... good write.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 8:53 PM ET #4

    Bradshaw was in four superbowls and guess what?... He has four rings.
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    Bradshaw was in four superbowls and guess what?... He has four rings.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 9:03 PM ET #5

    "The Patriots didn't beat a single team with a winning record in the regular season"

    The Giants only beat 1 (1-3), and it was the Patriots.  

    "The last sixteen favorites to score 30 or less points are 2-14-1 ATS"

    The Giants need to score more than 31, which they only did 3 times all season.  That will be the Patriots total for this game.  I think that statistic is kind of dumb anyways.  If a team score less than 30 as a favorite, how often do they cover?  The Patriots arent a defensive team, they are an offensive team.  They will get to 30.

    "The Giants (9-7) - who defeated Atlanta (10-6), Green Bay (15-1) and San Francisco (13-3) - are only the second team to reach the Super Bowl via playoff victories over three opponents with a better regular-season record than its own (Arizona, 2008)."

    And look what happened.  They lost.

    As you can tell I am on the other side, but GL nonetheless. 
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    "The Patriots didn't beat a single team with a winning record in the regular season"

    The Giants only beat 1 (1-3), and it was the Patriots.  

    "The last sixteen favorites to score 30 or less points are 2-14-1 ATS"

    The Giants need to score more than 31, which they only did 3 times all season.  That will be the Patriots total for this game.  I think that statistic is kind of dumb anyways.  If a team score less than 30 as a favorite, how often do they cover?  The Patriots arent a defensive team, they are an offensive team.  They will get to 30.

    "The Giants (9-7) - who defeated Atlanta (10-6), Green Bay (15-1) and San Francisco (13-3) - are only the second team to reach the Super Bowl via playoff victories over three opponents with a better regular-season record than its own (Arizona, 2008)."

    And look what happened.  They lost.

    As you can tell I am on the other side, but GL nonetheless. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 9:18 PM ET #6

    Nice read. Whether or not I find stats useful to me, I still enjoy seeing them and at least acknowleding them.

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    Nice read. Whether or not I find stats useful to me, I still enjoy seeing them and at least acknowleding them.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2012 - 8:27 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by DJM5226:

    "The Patriots didn't beat a single team with a winning record in the regular season"

    The Giants only beat 1 (1-3), and it was the Patriots.  

    "The last sixteen favorites to score 30 or less points are 2-14-1 ATS"

    The Giants need to score more than 31, which they only did 3 times all season.  That will be the Patriots total for this game.  I think that statistic is kind of dumb anyways.  If a team score less than 30 as a favorite, how often do they cover?  The Patriots arent a defensive team, they are an offensive team.  They will get to 30.

    "The Giants (9-7) - who defeated Atlanta (10-6), Green Bay (15-1) and San Francisco (13-3) - are only the second team to reach the Super Bowl via playoff victories over three opponents with a better regular-season record than its own (Arizona, 2008)."

    And look what happened.  They lost.

    As you can tell I am on the other side, but GL nonetheless. 

    At the end of the day we are all just basically stating opinions on the possible outcome of this game... I love the giants in this game there hasnt been a single post, article anything that has made me even think otherwise... I believe defense wins championships and without a doubt the better defensive unit on the field will be that of the New York football Giants top it off with a QB who is playing at a very high level I dont see Patriots winning this game... I actually think it wont even be a challenge for the Giants to win this game i see a 35-17 game GIANTS TO THE BANK.....

    I think Brady will have a worst game then he had vs the Ravens here i see the pass rush forcing him to throw a couple of pics and maybe some fumbles Brady is not a mobile QB so the giants wont have to worry about him taking off like rodgers and smith did... But like I said its all opinions on which side i like but Stats are really interesting here and i just cant look past them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJM5226:

    "The Patriots didn't beat a single team with a winning record in the regular season"

    The Giants only beat 1 (1-3), and it was the Patriots.  

    "The last sixteen favorites to score 30 or less points are 2-14-1 ATS"

    The Giants need to score more than 31, which they only did 3 times all season.  That will be the Patriots total for this game.  I think that statistic is kind of dumb anyways.  If a team score less than 30 as a favorite, how often do they cover?  The Patriots arent a defensive team, they are an offensive team.  They will get to 30.

    "The Giants (9-7) - who defeated Atlanta (10-6), Green Bay (15-1) and San Francisco (13-3) - are only the second team to reach the Super Bowl via playoff victories over three opponents with a better regular-season record than its own (Arizona, 2008)."

    And look what happened.  They lost.

    As you can tell I am on the other side, but GL nonetheless. 

    At the end of the day we are all just basically stating opinions on the possible outcome of this game... I love the giants in this game there hasnt been a single post, article anything that has made me even think otherwise... I believe defense wins championships and without a doubt the better defensive unit on the field will be that of the New York football Giants top it off with a QB who is playing at a very high level I dont see Patriots winning this game... I actually think it wont even be a challenge for the Giants to win this game i see a 35-17 game GIANTS TO THE BANK.....

    I think Brady will have a worst game then he had vs the Ravens here i see the pass rush forcing him to throw a couple of pics and maybe some fumbles Brady is not a mobile QB so the giants wont have to worry about him taking off like rodgers and smith did... But like I said its all opinions on which side i like but Stats are really interesting here and i just cant look past them...

     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 2:23 PM ET #8

    Hey nice write-up Still...this caters to my thinking of the Giants covering outright.  
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    Hey nice write-up Still...this caters to my thinking of the Giants covering outright.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by stillknowledge:

    The Patriots didn't beat a single team with a winning record in the regular season, New England, whose lone win this season against an above .500 team came last week against the Ravens.

    The Giants have had success attacking the quarterback with 4 or fewer pass rushers this postseason, and it continued with 3 sacks of Alex Smith. Tom Brady only took 1 sack against the Ravens' standard pressure, but had one of his worst games of the year against 4 or fewer rushers. 

    The last sixteen favorites to score 30 or less points are 2-14-1 ATS, an interesting stat considering that Tom Coughlin’s teams have surrendered more than 28 points in only three of 15 postseason games while Bill Belichick’s troops have tallied more than 28 points in just six of 24 playoff contests.

    The 2012 Super Bowl will be the first in which quarterbacks who each have a Super Bowl MVP award will play against one another. New England's Tom Brady is one of only four players to win it multiple times, with Joe Montana (three times) Terry Bradshaw and Bart Starr.

    The Giants (9-7) - who defeated Atlanta (10-6), Green Bay (15-1) and San Francisco (13-3) - are only the second team to reach the Super Bowl via playoff victories over three opponents with a better regular-season record than its own (Arizona, 2008).

    Since '07, Brady has posted a 4-3 record in the postseason while tossing 16 touchdowns compared to 10 interceptions and recording a 90.0 quarterback rating. Don't get me wrong, those stats are far from awful but they are nowhere near Manning's. 

    Manning has a 7-1 record while throwing 14 touchdowns and only four interceptions and posting a 93.2 quarterback rating.

    The quarterback ratings may be close, but the record is rather alarming and so is the interception total. Another interesting stat that is extremely lopsided in Manning's favor is that he has thrown 14 passes greater than 25 yards while Brady has only six. 

    Since '07, it's safe to label Manning as the better postseason quarterback than Brady—stats simply don't lie.

    - This will be the third quarterback rematch in Super Bowl history. You will like the way the other two turned out, which is shown below: 
    Terry Bradshaw PITT vs Roger Staubach DALLAS... superbowls X and XIII which Bradshaw won both...Troy Aikman DALLAS vs Jim Kelly BILLS... superbowls XXVII and XXVIII which Aikman won both.... Eli Manning GIANTS vs Tom Brady PATRIOTS superbowls XLII and XLVI we know Eli won the 1st one?????????

     



    Everyone keeps saying this and yes its true but people are neglecting the validity of some of the teams they beat.

    Chargers, Raiders, Jets Twice, Cowboys, Eagles


    Those teams are NOT scrubs doesn't matter their record
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    Quote Originally Posted by stillknowledge:

    The Patriots didn't beat a single team with a winning record in the regular season, New England, whose lone win this season against an above .500 team came last week against the Ravens.

    The Giants have had success attacking the quarterback with 4 or fewer pass rushers this postseason, and it continued with 3 sacks of Alex Smith. Tom Brady only took 1 sack against the Ravens' standard pressure, but had one of his worst games of the year against 4 or fewer rushers. 

    The last sixteen favorites to score 30 or less points are 2-14-1 ATS, an interesting stat considering that Tom Coughlin’s teams have surrendered more than 28 points in only three of 15 postseason games while Bill Belichick’s troops have tallied more than 28 points in just six of 24 playoff contests.

    The 2012 Super Bowl will be the first in which quarterbacks who each have a Super Bowl MVP award will play against one another. New England's Tom Brady is one of only four players to win it multiple times, with Joe Montana (three times) Terry Bradshaw and Bart Starr.

    The Giants (9-7) - who defeated Atlanta (10-6), Green Bay (15-1) and San Francisco (13-3) - are only the second team to reach the Super Bowl via playoff victories over three opponents with a better regular-season record than its own (Arizona, 2008).

    Since '07, Brady has posted a 4-3 record in the postseason while tossing 16 touchdowns compared to 10 interceptions and recording a 90.0 quarterback rating. Don't get me wrong, those stats are far from awful but they are nowhere near Manning's. 

    Manning has a 7-1 record while throwing 14 touchdowns and only four interceptions and posting a 93.2 quarterback rating.

    The quarterback ratings may be close, but the record is rather alarming and so is the interception total. Another interesting stat that is extremely lopsided in Manning's favor is that he has thrown 14 passes greater than 25 yards while Brady has only six. 

    Since '07, it's safe to label Manning as the better postseason quarterback than Brady—stats simply don't lie.

    - This will be the third quarterback rematch in Super Bowl history. You will like the way the other two turned out, which is shown below: 
    Terry Bradshaw PITT vs Roger Staubach DALLAS... superbowls X and XIII which Bradshaw won both...Troy Aikman DALLAS vs Jim Kelly BILLS... superbowls XXVII and XXVIII which Aikman won both.... Eli Manning GIANTS vs Tom Brady PATRIOTS superbowls XLII and XLVI we know Eli won the 1st one?????????

     



    Everyone keeps saying this and yes its true but people are neglecting the validity of some of the teams they beat.

    Chargers, Raiders, Jets Twice, Cowboys, Eagles


    Those teams are NOT scrubs doesn't matter their record
     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 2:45 PM ET #10

    R.I.P. Legend
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    depeche2
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 2:53 PM ET #11

    Actually, I'd say that "stats" lie all the time.
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    Actually, I'd say that "stats" lie all the time.
     
     
    Iknowmystuff
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 2:55 PM ET #12

    New England Patriots wins this game straight up GUARANTEED, i'm putting10k on it to back that up. The thread starter did provide an excellent write up and I for one appreciate him doing so.

     

    That being said, Brady and Bellicheat won't come this far to lose to the same team TWICE! bank on it

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    New England Patriots wins this game straight up GUARANTEED, i'm putting10k on it to back that up. The thread starter did provide an excellent write up and I for one appreciate him doing so.

     

    That being said, Brady and Bellicheat won't come this far to lose to the same team TWICE! bank on it

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