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    Still think Public % & $ on a team doesnt effect games?

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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2013 - 11:33 PM ET #1

    Every mush & their cousin bet the Seahawks tonight and Vegas sat back and got all their lost money from Sunday back. Me included. As much as I want to believe games are won by players on field the more I realize NFL is a business & Vegas is a part of the model. Just would like to be on right side of it for change
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    Every mush & their cousin bet the Seahawks tonight and Vegas sat back and got all their lost money from Sunday back. Me included. As much as I want to believe games are won by players on field the more I realize NFL is a business & Vegas is a part of the model. Just would like to be on right side of it for change
     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2013 - 11:37 PM ET #2

    Gameplans and schemes.
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 7:35 AM ET #3

    Tons of money on Seattle and Vegas schemes

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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 7:59 AM ET #4

    I'm surprised you didn't get bashed by the people either counting their dollars now or pissed off that thy lost. Lol
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    I'm surprised you didn't get bashed by the people either counting their dollars now or pissed off that thy lost. Lol
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 8:02 AM ET #5

    this one was devious,......setup by Rams desperation call to Brett Farve....then the line moves a td.....

    easy to see in hindsight....


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    this one was devious,......setup by Rams desperation call to Brett Farve....then the line moves a td.....

    easy to see in hindsight....


     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 8:45 AM ET #6

    you are a MUSH if you laid 14 points in a road division game
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 9:43 AM ET #7

    It has no effect on the game, your reading into it upside-down and backwards.

    The piublic% and money lose because they pick teams for all the wrong reasons, it's called poor handicapping, has nothing to do with Vegas, but Vegas does know the masses will  make  poor decisions.

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    It has no effect on the game, your reading into it upside-down and backwards.

    The piublic% and money lose because they pick teams for all the wrong reasons, it's called poor handicapping, has nothing to do with Vegas, but Vegas does know the masses will  make  poor decisions.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 9:58 AM ET #8

    The truth is, most people simply aren't good at this.

    It has nothing to do with rigs, setups, fixes, or any of that nonsense.

    It's a lucrative industry because the overwhelming majority of the betting population lacks the knowledge and discipline to succeed on a long-term basis.

    And it's not going to change any time soon.
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    The truth is, most people simply aren't good at this.

    It has nothing to do with rigs, setups, fixes, or any of that nonsense.

    It's a lucrative industry because the overwhelming majority of the betting population lacks the knowledge and discipline to succeed on a long-term basis.

    And it's not going to change any time soon.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:

    The truth is, most people simply aren't good at this.

    It has nothing to do with rigs, setups, fixes, or any of that nonsense.

    It's a lucrative industry because the overwhelming majority of the betting population lacks the knowledge and discipline to succeed on a long-term basis.

    And it's not going to change any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:

    The truth is, most people simply aren't good at this.

    It has nothing to do with rigs, setups, fixes, or any of that nonsense.

    It's a lucrative industry because the overwhelming majority of the betting population lacks the knowledge and discipline to succeed on a long-term basis.

    And it's not going to change any time soon.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 10:23 AM ET #10

    Agreed, I thought I learned some things and I have, but I still could not lay off the Hawks last night.  I paid for it, but hopefully I just remember next time.  


    Good handicapping could have gotten you to choose the Rams without tons of discussion about line movement and rigged Vegas.  

    The Rams D is no slouch, their front 8 is legit and the cornerbacks matched up well against seahawks.  I did not realize the two O tackles for Seahawks were out because that changed the game tremendously.  

    In hindsight I realize the best bets on the board were the Under and the Rams team total under at 14.5.  I knew the Rams would struggle to put up points, I did not realize that the Seahawks would struggle as tremendously also.
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    Agreed, I thought I learned some things and I have, but I still could not lay off the Hawks last night.  I paid for it, but hopefully I just remember next time.  


    Good handicapping could have gotten you to choose the Rams without tons of discussion about line movement and rigged Vegas.  

    The Rams D is no slouch, their front 8 is legit and the cornerbacks matched up well against seahawks.  I did not realize the two O tackles for Seahawks were out because that changed the game tremendously.  

    In hindsight I realize the best bets on the board were the Under and the Rams team total under at 14.5.  I knew the Rams would struggle to put up points, I did not realize that the Seahawks would struggle as tremendously also.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:

    The truth is, most people simply aren't good at this.

    It has nothing to do with rigs, setups, fixes, or any of that nonsense.

    It's a lucrative industry because the overwhelming majority of the betting population lacks the knowledge and discipline to succeed on a long-term basis.

    And it's not going to change any time soon.

    Perfectly said.  I used to hang around an old time guy in my teens before the Internet and he really gave me the ins and outs and many of his lessons still apply today. The one thing he used to tell me over and over because I was a stubborn kid was that everybody is wrong. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:

    The truth is, most people simply aren't good at this.

    It has nothing to do with rigs, setups, fixes, or any of that nonsense.

    It's a lucrative industry because the overwhelming majority of the betting population lacks the knowledge and discipline to succeed on a long-term basis.

    And it's not going to change any time soon.

    Perfectly said.  I used to hang around an old time guy in my teens before the Internet and he really gave me the ins and outs and many of his lessons still apply today. The one thing he used to tell me over and over because I was a stubborn kid was that everybody is wrong. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 12:44 PM ET #12

    Nothing devious or underdhanded would ever occur where huge amts of money are involved. regularly.  Never.

    U are naive as  hell.  and stupid.
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    Nothing devious or underdhanded would ever occur where huge amts of money are involved. regularly.  Never.

    U are naive as  hell.  and stupid.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:

    The truth is, most people simply aren't good at this.

    It has nothing to do with rigs, setups, fixes, or any of that nonsense.

    It's a lucrative industry because the overwhelming majority of the betting population lacks the knowledge and discipline to succeed on a long-term basis.

    And it's not going to change any time soon.



    What do you call an Eternal Optimist? An accordion player with a beeper!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:

    The truth is, most people simply aren't good at this.

    It has nothing to do with rigs, setups, fixes, or any of that nonsense.

    It's a lucrative industry because the overwhelming majority of the betting population lacks the knowledge and discipline to succeed on a long-term basis.

    And it's not going to change any time soon.



     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 12:51 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Nothing devious or underdhanded would ever occur where huge amts of money are involved. regularly.  Never.

    U are naive as  hell.  and stupid.


    For the purposes of this discussion, I'll accept what you're saying as true.

    Nonetheless, when you make a wager, you assume the risk that the game on which you are placing money will be altered by external forces completely outside of your control. No amount of complaining, whining, and/or otherwise useless behavior will rectify the problem. You control only one part of the equation - the decision to place the bet. Any undesired consequences of this decision fall within your assumption of the risk.

    Fair enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Nothing devious or underdhanded would ever occur where huge amts of money are involved. regularly.  Never.

    U are naive as  hell.  and stupid.


    For the purposes of this discussion, I'll accept what you're saying as true.

    Nonetheless, when you make a wager, you assume the risk that the game on which you are placing money will be altered by external forces completely outside of your control. No amount of complaining, whining, and/or otherwise useless behavior will rectify the problem. You control only one part of the equation - the decision to place the bet. Any undesired consequences of this decision fall within your assumption of the risk.

    Fair enough?
     
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    When it's to good to be ture it normally is . I don't care what team you are laying 14 on the road is a bad bet ( unless u r Denver or u r playing the jags) . I didn't touch this game It screamed public blood bath just from the %Of money on Seattle which i think was at 80/20 at kick off Vega's Gave um a bone earl Sunday an took it all.back lastnight . You live u learn hopefully Bank rolls didn't het destroyed to bad.
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    When it's to good to be ture it normally is . I don't care what team you are laying 14 on the road is a bad bet ( unless u r Denver or u r playing the jags) . I didn't touch this game It screamed public blood bath just from the %Of money on Seattle which i think was at 80/20 at kick off Vega's Gave um a bone earl Sunday an took it all.back lastnight . You live u learn hopefully Bank rolls didn't het destroyed to bad.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 1:55 PM ET #16

    the powers that be would never take adv/exploit the public.   
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 3:19 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Nothing devious or underdhanded would ever occur where huge amts of money are involved. regularly.  Never.

    U are naive as  hell.  and stupid.

    I don't think anyone believes that fixes do not occur. The naive ones are the ones that scream it on every,or many, public slaughter. There have been plenty of betting scandals over the last 30 years and I am reasonable sure that the ones that are unknown outnumber the ones that are known. Anytime that there is money and the human element involved the possibilities of corruption exist. This goes for everything in life, not just sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Nothing devious or underdhanded would ever occur where huge amts of money are involved. regularly.  Never.

    U are naive as  hell.  and stupid.

    I don't think anyone believes that fixes do not occur. The naive ones are the ones that scream it on every,or many, public slaughter. There have been plenty of betting scandals over the last 30 years and I am reasonable sure that the ones that are unknown outnumber the ones that are known. Anytime that there is money and the human element involved the possibilities of corruption exist. This goes for everything in life, not just sports.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 3:48 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Fademeuwin:

    When it's to good to be ture it normally is . I don't care what team you are laying 14 on the road is a bad bet ( unless u r Denver or u r playing the jags) . I didn't touch this game It screamed public blood bath just from the %Of money on Seattle which i think was at 80/20 at kick off Vega's Gave um a bone earl Sunday an took it all.back lastnight . You live u learn hopefully Bank rolls didn't het destroyed to bad.

    I don't have much problem with your theory until the last part, "took it all back last night" as if you know for a fact that people would put all their winnings and/or then some on last night's game.

    One common theme on losing players is that they pull back(bet less and less on a hot streak) when they win but when they lost, they chase/double down. Sure, you can find one who would do the opposite but he would be the exception, not the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fademeuwin:

    When it's to good to be ture it normally is . I don't care what team you are laying 14 on the road is a bad bet ( unless u r Denver or u r playing the jags) . I didn't touch this game It screamed public blood bath just from the %Of money on Seattle which i think was at 80/20 at kick off Vega's Gave um a bone earl Sunday an took it all.back lastnight . You live u learn hopefully Bank rolls didn't het destroyed to bad.

    I don't have much problem with your theory until the last part, "took it all back last night" as if you know for a fact that people would put all their winnings and/or then some on last night's game.

    One common theme on losing players is that they pull back(bet less and less on a hot streak) when they win but when they lost, they chase/double down. Sure, you can find one who would do the opposite but he would be the exception, not the norm.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 4:25 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    the powers that be would never take adv/exploit the public.   


    It's a business. Books and oddsmakers should look to exploit the public. Not by fixing games, of course, but rather by setting lines and numbers to take advantage of the ridiculous percentage of people who are simply bad at this?

    Why fault books and oddsmakers for the general public's collective ignorance?



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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    the powers that be would never take adv/exploit the public.   


    It's a business. Books and oddsmakers should look to exploit the public. Not by fixing games, of course, but rather by setting lines and numbers to take advantage of the ridiculous percentage of people who are simply bad at this?

    Why fault books and oddsmakers for the general public's collective ignorance?



     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 4:47 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:



    It's a business. Books and oddsmakers should look to exploit the public. Not by fixing games, of course, but rather by setting lines and numbers to take advantage of the ridiculous percentage of people who are simply bad at this?

    Why fault books and oddsmakers for the general public's collective ignorance?




    YOU FORGOT TO SAY,, SHARPS GET KICKED OUT IN THE MIX.. IF A BOOK HAS NOTHING BUT IDIOTS.. WHAT WOULD THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS REALLY LOOK LIKE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:



    It's a business. Books and oddsmakers should look to exploit the public. Not by fixing games, of course, but rather by setting lines and numbers to take advantage of the ridiculous percentage of people who are simply bad at this?

    Why fault books and oddsmakers for the general public's collective ignorance?




    YOU FORGOT TO SAY,, SHARPS GET KICKED OUT IN THE MIX.. IF A BOOK HAS NOTHING BUT IDIOTS.. WHAT WOULD THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS REALLY LOOK LIKE?
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2013 - 6:43 PM ET #21

    You bet on a crappy team to cover that many points on the road and think it is fixed?


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    You bet on a crappy team to cover that many points on the road and think it is fixed?


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