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    Why I feel the Jets have major value tonight

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    bahamajack
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 7:14 PM ET #1

    I have decided to post my thoughts on Covers this NFL Season to hopefully spark some conversation and provide myself with a way to track my thinking and perhaps improve my approach by hearing and reading what you all have to say. I do not bet pre season often, but when I do I make sure I am not betting based solely on the information, but betting on the odds. The NFL is so huge across America with information spilling out of every nook and cranny in the media, bettors get swayed and influenced by every word said, printed or tweeted. It is impossible to be a regular everyday bettor or a weekend bettor for that matter and stay on top of all the information in order to provide it to be profitable as the sole method of handicapping. What we can stay on top of as bettors is are the odds and what they truly mean, especially in pre season. Lets look at the game tonight between New York and Houston. I bet mainly at Pinnacle but also at 5Dimes, the moneylines at either book are New York +141 and Houston -156. Houston’s true odds of winning are 61.20% or 61 wins (outright) out of 100 or if you prefer a smaller scale - just higher then 6 out of 10 . What is so hard for bettors to wrap their minds around is that this is only true considering the game is played with the exact same factors. Teams would not be able to adjust or make changes, in your mind you must simulate this very game 100 times to come up with a true opinion on the odds. If you were considering betting Houston tonight, in order to get the true value, you must agree with that fact that if this very game were played out a 100 times the Texans would have to win 61. I am not sure there are any logical bettors out there that can agree with the fact that in this situation the Texans are 11 games better then the Jets. I truly believe that this game is a coin flip at worst for New York, if not a game or two the other way. With this being said I find that there is 41 cents (give or take your price) of value in the Jets tonight while the Texans are on the short end of the value stick by at least 50 cents. Betting against the line and not the information, the clear cut bet tonight is New York outright.

    For those of you that rely heavily on the information at hand for betting, be weary of the media reports especially in pre season. Nobody is talking about the Texans. They are not a big public team. It does not take a genius to recognize this. New York is a major team, a major contender that always swirls around in the media. Being from such a big sports market their problems are always magnified. Just a couple hours before the line move from 2.5 to 3 this afternoon on the point spread and from 134 to 141 on the money line, reports flurried that indicated a possible coach and quarterback controversy. As usual an over reaction both by bettors and fans caused a stir. Does no one realize that almost every quarterback in history has at one point been a little miffed at their head coach? Its football guys, lets settle down. What is the real problem is Houston’s secondary. There was a reason why defensive free agents did not flock to Houston, because there is simply no one there. Everyone is pointing the fingers are the lack of talent on the Jets offense. Once again, bigger market, bigger information stream. It is no secret all the starters will play a series or two at most, then it is all to the backups. Its week one in preseason, everyone is nervous, everyone is going to make mistakes. Unless you are Jesus Christ himself, there is no way you can predict these games based on playing time and talent level at second and third string. If you want a gamble, go play three card monte on your street corner, why are you throwing money away when you can make smart decisions. Bet the odds and put your money where it has the best chance of win and puts yourself in a favorable position. That position tonight is the Jets on the moneyline. They are a better team all around and they are a much better bet when it comes to finding better odds in the line and putting your money in the right spot.

    This is not a big bet for me but it is a bet which I intend to win.

    New York Jets +141.

    BahamaJack

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    I have decided to post my thoughts on Covers this NFL Season to hopefully spark some conversation and provide myself with a way to track my thinking and perhaps improve my approach by hearing and reading what you all have to say. I do not bet pre season often, but when I do I make sure I am not betting based solely on the information, but betting on the odds. The NFL is so huge across America with information spilling out of every nook and cranny in the media, bettors get swayed and influenced by every word said, printed or tweeted. It is impossible to be a regular everyday bettor or a weekend bettor for that matter and stay on top of all the information in order to provide it to be profitable as the sole method of handicapping. What we can stay on top of as bettors is are the odds and what they truly mean, especially in pre season. Lets look at the game tonight between New York and Houston. I bet mainly at Pinnacle but also at 5Dimes, the moneylines at either book are New York +141 and Houston -156. Houston’s true odds of winning are 61.20% or 61 wins (outright) out of 100 or if you prefer a smaller scale - just higher then 6 out of 10 . What is so hard for bettors to wrap their minds around is that this is only true considering the game is played with the exact same factors. Teams would not be able to adjust or make changes, in your mind you must simulate this very game 100 times to come up with a true opinion on the odds. If you were considering betting Houston tonight, in order to get the true value, you must agree with that fact that if this very game were played out a 100 times the Texans would have to win 61. I am not sure there are any logical bettors out there that can agree with the fact that in this situation the Texans are 11 games better then the Jets. I truly believe that this game is a coin flip at worst for New York, if not a game or two the other way. With this being said I find that there is 41 cents (give or take your price) of value in the Jets tonight while the Texans are on the short end of the value stick by at least 50 cents. Betting against the line and not the information, the clear cut bet tonight is New York outright.

    For those of you that rely heavily on the information at hand for betting, be weary of the media reports especially in pre season. Nobody is talking about the Texans. They are not a big public team. It does not take a genius to recognize this. New York is a major team, a major contender that always swirls around in the media. Being from such a big sports market their problems are always magnified. Just a couple hours before the line move from 2.5 to 3 this afternoon on the point spread and from 134 to 141 on the money line, reports flurried that indicated a possible coach and quarterback controversy. As usual an over reaction both by bettors and fans caused a stir. Does no one realize that almost every quarterback in history has at one point been a little miffed at their head coach? Its football guys, lets settle down. What is the real problem is Houston’s secondary. There was a reason why defensive free agents did not flock to Houston, because there is simply no one there. Everyone is pointing the fingers are the lack of talent on the Jets offense. Once again, bigger market, bigger information stream. It is no secret all the starters will play a series or two at most, then it is all to the backups. Its week one in preseason, everyone is nervous, everyone is going to make mistakes. Unless you are Jesus Christ himself, there is no way you can predict these games based on playing time and talent level at second and third string. If you want a gamble, go play three card monte on your street corner, why are you throwing money away when you can make smart decisions. Bet the odds and put your money where it has the best chance of win and puts yourself in a favorable position. That position tonight is the Jets on the moneyline. They are a better team all around and they are a much better bet when it comes to finding better odds in the line and putting your money in the right spot.

    This is not a big bet for me but it is a bet which I intend to win.

    New York Jets +141.

    BahamaJack

     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 7:33 PM ET #2

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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 7:53 PM ET #3

    I like your logic, BahamaJack. I do that same "if they played 100 times" thing. I'll check your threads during the regular season, and for tonight I think you're on the right side. GL.
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    I like your logic, BahamaJack. I do that same "if they played 100 times" thing. I'll check your threads during the regular season, and for tonight I think you're on the right side. GL.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 7:59 PM ET #4

    Really nice analysis of strategy and tonight's matchup. I still have a problem with lower motivation for the Jets and more position jousting for Houston upping their motivation, but the Jets are just a better and deeper team with a much stronger D (Houston's first team D is questionable let alone their backups).  I ended up grabbing Jets +3 - my local pulled the ML for both teams.  I look forward to reading your threads this year. 
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    Really nice analysis of strategy and tonight's matchup. I still have a problem with lower motivation for the Jets and more position jousting for Houston upping their motivation, but the Jets are just a better and deeper team with a much stronger D (Houston's first team D is questionable let alone their backups).  I ended up grabbing Jets +3 - my local pulled the ML for both teams.  I look forward to reading your threads this year. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 8:06 PM ET #5

    Thanks for the replies guys, glad to see someone found interest in what I have to say. I look forward to seeing your threads as well. Another thing to consider is that Houston will be playing there first game with a 3-4 defensive scheme. This will be the first time many of these guys will be at full speed from these spots. Should be interesting to watch.
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    Thanks for the replies guys, glad to see someone found interest in what I have to say. I look forward to seeing your threads as well. Another thing to consider is that Houston will be playing there first game with a 3-4 defensive scheme. This will be the first time many of these guys will be at full speed from these spots. Should be interesting to watch.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 9:12 PM ET #6

    Nice right up ill deff be keeping an eye on you im new this year too GL  

    ps im on the texans tonight
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    Nice right up ill deff be keeping an eye on you im new this year too GL  

    ps im on the texans tonight
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 9:17 PM ET #7

    goodluck bahama jack. Have the jets +3, but a small play like you
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    goodluck bahama jack. Have the jets +3, but a small play like you
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 9:37 PM ET #8

     with ya.....lets get em
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     with ya.....lets get em
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 9:44 PM ET #9

    Half time................your thinking sucks   
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    Half time................your thinking sucks   
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 9:46 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by earl1932:

    Half time................your thinking sucks   

    Your favorite TV show...........SUCKS

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    Quote Originally Posted by earl1932:

    Half time................your thinking sucks   

    Your favorite TV show...........SUCKS

     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 10:00 PM ET #11

    hey earl....dont get on here blastin ppl....that aint wht this site is for box.....game aint over...

    @bahamajack....ur logic doesnt hold true for a game lets say....gb +2.5 @ cle...no way cle is 11 games better than the pack!!!!!

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    hey earl....dont get on here blastin ppl....that aint wht this site is for box.....game aint over...

    @bahamajack....ur logic doesnt hold true for a game lets say....gb +2.5 @ cle...no way cle is 11 games better than the pack!!!!!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 10:01 PM ET #12

    packers would be +2.5 in cleveland, maybe -2.5
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    packers would be +2.5 in cleveland, maybe -2.5
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 10:26 PM ET #13

    It's not logic of mine, it's math. Just like I said it's hard to look at games this way especially if you have been betting for a long time. You can't think about anything but the exact factors going into this very game. If Cleveland is a 2.5 favorite against Green Bay don't ask why, ask yourself what do the odds say. If you look at the moneyline it would say Green Bay is about 42/100. I don't think that is what it is, that is what the math says. It is then up to you to decide which is the better bet based on the odds and judge if the line is worth betting on either way either dog or favorite. I'm not saying this is the only way to bet a game, I'm saying this is the way that I prefer to do things.
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    It's not logic of mine, it's math. Just like I said it's hard to look at games this way especially if you have been betting for a long time. You can't think about anything but the exact factors going into this very game. If Cleveland is a 2.5 favorite against Green Bay don't ask why, ask yourself what do the odds say. If you look at the moneyline it would say Green Bay is about 42/100. I don't think that is what it is, that is what the math says. It is then up to you to decide which is the better bet based on the odds and judge if the line is worth betting on either way either dog or favorite. I'm not saying this is the only way to bet a game, I'm saying this is the way that I prefer to do things.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 10:32 PM ET #14

    I like ur thinking and will be definately looking at it during regular season!!! Bol bahama!!! and people do not count tge jets out!!!
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    I like ur thinking and will be definately looking at it during regular season!!! Bol bahama!!! and people do not count tge jets out!!!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 11:43 PM ET #15

    Another thing to think about is this. How many people on here can tell you how much an inside number at their local casino pays on roulette. How many people here can tell you what rolling a six or an eight pays in craps. Greater then 95%? Now if I ask how what are the odds on a -140 money line what would the response be from 95% of people? $140 to win $100? A reply which has nothing to do with the question? The point I am trying to make is to play to maximize your odds of winning. For every ten trends you could of found for Houston, I could of found for New York. For every ten news stories you could find for Houston, I could find for New York. For every "CONSENSUS" percentage that are generated from god knows where you can find saying 55% on Houston, I can find saying 55% on New York. Unless you are directly involved with this league and have your OWN source of information that isn’t available to the direct public to interpret, chew up and spit out. What are you really basing your bets on?

    Playing the odds does not change. Handicapping the line, not trying to pick a winner does not change. There are no lies in the line. It is all math, and it is all the truth. If you can find value in the line and learn to handicap this way, you won't win every game, but you will be consistent and increase your chance of winning by making smarter decisions. Tonight was a dropped catch away from a +140 underdog cashing in. I lost but I do not feel bad about it. I felt good about my bet and although the result was not one I wanted, I got my first play of the season down and I can only go up from here.

    0-1 (-1.00)

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    Another thing to think about is this. How many people on here can tell you how much an inside number at their local casino pays on roulette. How many people here can tell you what rolling a six or an eight pays in craps. Greater then 95%? Now if I ask how what are the odds on a -140 money line what would the response be from 95% of people? $140 to win $100? A reply which has nothing to do with the question? The point I am trying to make is to play to maximize your odds of winning. For every ten trends you could of found for Houston, I could of found for New York. For every ten news stories you could find for Houston, I could find for New York. For every "CONSENSUS" percentage that are generated from god knows where you can find saying 55% on Houston, I can find saying 55% on New York. Unless you are directly involved with this league and have your OWN source of information that isn’t available to the direct public to interpret, chew up and spit out. What are you really basing your bets on?

    Playing the odds does not change. Handicapping the line, not trying to pick a winner does not change. There are no lies in the line. It is all math, and it is all the truth. If you can find value in the line and learn to handicap this way, you won't win every game, but you will be consistent and increase your chance of winning by making smarter decisions. Tonight was a dropped catch away from a +140 underdog cashing in. I lost but I do not feel bad about it. I felt good about my bet and although the result was not one I wanted, I got my first play of the season down and I can only go up from here.

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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 11:45 PM ET #16

    Consensus picks are just a theory that I don't live my life by.

    In any given sports event, the team that executes the best will win. No matter if 99% or 1% are on the pick.

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    Consensus picks are just a theory that I don't live my life by.

    In any given sports event, the team that executes the best will win. No matter if 99% or 1% are on the pick.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 11:45 PM ET #17

    And by that comment I was not trying to insult covers, as I am sure it is the same world wide. I was so caught up in the information out there I never thought about digging into the line like this rather then trying to figure out who was going to win over nothing else.
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    And by that comment I was not trying to insult covers, as I am sure it is the same world wide. I was so caught up in the information out there I never thought about digging into the line like this rather then trying to figure out who was going to win over nothing else.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 11:51 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by EIGHTYpercent:

    Consensus picks are just a theory that I don't live my life by.

    In any given sports event, the team that executes the best will win. No matter if 99% or 1% are on the pick.

    When I mentioned consensus I was hinting towards the influence the media has on bets. Does anyone know where that number on Covers home page really comes from? The only time a consensus would actually be relevant would be if it accounted for every single penny of action on the game world wide. What if this information tonight came from a bookmaker in Houston? Odds are he is going to have a heavy "consensus" on Houston because people are...you guessed it, from Houston. Same would go for a book from New York. What if this is a $100 sample size? What if those numbers are from the Covers Contests which are completely free to enter and have no monetary influence what so ever. Do you honestly believe that Ladbrokes or Logans is giving away their information on every game? There are so many unknowns and uncertainties in these, how can you possibly lay down money based on this information? My case gets stronger and stronger every thread that has a post saying well New York is the bet because 55% of people are on Houston. Never bet Duke in NCAAB because they are always 70% or more on concensus. Lets get real here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EIGHTYpercent:

    Consensus picks are just a theory that I don't live my life by.

    In any given sports event, the team that executes the best will win. No matter if 99% or 1% are on the pick.

    When I mentioned consensus I was hinting towards the influence the media has on bets. Does anyone know where that number on Covers home page really comes from? The only time a consensus would actually be relevant would be if it accounted for every single penny of action on the game world wide. What if this information tonight came from a bookmaker in Houston? Odds are he is going to have a heavy "consensus" on Houston because people are...you guessed it, from Houston. Same would go for a book from New York. What if this is a $100 sample size? What if those numbers are from the Covers Contests which are completely free to enter and have no monetary influence what so ever. Do you honestly believe that Ladbrokes or Logans is giving away their information on every game? There are so many unknowns and uncertainties in these, how can you possibly lay down money based on this information? My case gets stronger and stronger every thread that has a post saying well New York is the bet because 55% of people are on Houston. Never bet Duke in NCAAB because they are always 70% or more on concensus. Lets get real here.

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 12:03 AM ET #19

    Your logic has capper written all over, you go on a hot streak and you'll be asking for e-mails.  Good luck .
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    Your logic has capper written all over, you go on a hot streak and you'll be asking for e-mails.  Good luck .
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