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    Would this strategy work?

    Sopranoman27
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    Sopranoman27
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 12:52 PM ET #1

    I would think that this would work but let me know what you guys think...

    You take the teams that are 2-0 or 0-2 ATS and you just chase that they will get their first ATS win or ATS loss.  I feel like now is the perfect time to start chasing.  Do it this week, if it hits you're done with that team and if it doesn't just double your bet.

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    I would think that this would work but let me know what you guys think...

    You take the teams that are 2-0 or 0-2 ATS and you just chase that they will get their first ATS win or ATS loss.  I feel like now is the perfect time to start chasing.  Do it this week, if it hits you're done with that team and if it doesn't just double your bet.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 1:08 PM ET #2

    Martingale System is risky.unless you have an infinite bankroll
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    Martingale System is risky.unless you have an infinite bankroll
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 1:22 PM ET #3

    Yeah but I feel like not too many teams stay undefeated or winless for that long.  By the end of the year most teams are around .500 ATS record wise aren't they?  I can't see a team being like 0-5 ATS or 5-0 ATS, I feel like the win or loss comes within the first few weeks.  I wonder if anyone can dig and find out some past info.
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    Yeah but I feel like not too many teams stay undefeated or winless for that long.  By the end of the year most teams are around .500 ATS record wise aren't they?  I can't see a team being like 0-5 ATS or 5-0 ATS, I feel like the win or loss comes within the first few weeks.  I wonder if anyone can dig and find out some past info.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 1:40 PM ET #4

    https://www.bettorsplace.com/NFL/nfl-ats.php

    this shows last years final ATS records, pretty much all the teams are floating around .500

    if you did these bets for this week than you would fade 6 teams that are 2-0 ats and bet on seven that are 0-2 ats...its a lot of bets, but as the season rolls on there will be fewer and fewer

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    https://www.bettorsplace.com/NFL/nfl-ats.php

    this shows last years final ATS records, pretty much all the teams are floating around .500

    if you did these bets for this week than you would fade 6 teams that are 2-0 ats and bet on seven that are 0-2 ats...its a lot of bets, but as the season rolls on there will be fewer and fewer

     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 2:17 PM ET #5

    looked over your proposed match ups and plays and I predict this system goes 4-7 or worse this week.
    I think since this system's premise is that the good teams aren't that good and the bad teams aren't that bad...it's too early in the season to make that judgement. Some teams ARE really good and some ARE really bad.......
    With no other handicapping other than fading winners and going with losers, I don't see any credible basis for adopting this system.
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    looked over your proposed match ups and plays and I predict this system goes 4-7 or worse this week.
    I think since this system's premise is that the good teams aren't that good and the bad teams aren't that bad...it's too early in the season to make that judgement. Some teams ARE really good and some ARE really bad.......
    With no other handicapping other than fading winners and going with losers, I don't see any credible basis for adopting this system.
    BOL
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 2:19 PM ET #6

    Thanks JMT, while there might be a lot of bets, they are pretty much guaranteed to hit one week or another.  It's just the matter of having the bankroll and the balls to stick with it.
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    Thanks JMT, while there might be a lot of bets, they are pretty much guaranteed to hit one week or another.  It's just the matter of having the bankroll and the balls to stick with it.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 2:25 PM ET #7

    I also wonder what the longest streak has been of losses or wins ATS for a nfl team.
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    I also wonder what the longest streak has been of losses or wins ATS for a nfl team.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 2:28 PM ET #8

    Tom: Each team has to win or lose eventually against the spread.  If it goes 4-7 this week then that means I only have 7 teams left that need to cover.
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    Tom: Each team has to win or lose eventually against the spread.  If it goes 4-7 this week then that means I only have 7 teams left that need to cover.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 2:36 PM ET #9

    I would wait until after next week and go after the teams that are 3-0 or 0-3 ats
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    I would wait until after next week and go after the teams that are 3-0 or 0-3 ats
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 2:41 PM ET #10

    Yeah, I mean you could wait as long as you want, maybe until a certain amount of teams are left.  But if you want to maximize your total possible profit you would want to start as early as you can.  But if you want to play it safe and don't want to tie up as much money, then you can just wait until maybe 5 teams are left.  Definitely a good option though, and it's always good to have options haha.
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    Yeah, I mean you could wait as long as you want, maybe until a certain amount of teams are left.  But if you want to maximize your total possible profit you would want to start as early as you can.  But if you want to play it safe and don't want to tie up as much money, then you can just wait until maybe 5 teams are left.  Definitely a good option though, and it's always good to have options haha.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 3:45 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Sopranoman27:

    Tom: Each team has to win or lose eventually against the spread.  If it goes 4-7 this week then that means I only have 7 teams left that need to cover.

    OK, I was looking at it from the point of this week's result.

    So, the teams that continue their streaks and go 0-3 or 3-0 you will need to double the bet the following week.

    Then, the teams that continue 0-4 and 4-0 you will need to again double the bet.

    5-0 or 0-5 double again. You need deep pockets to carry this through to the end and the farther you go you are betting against really good teams and betting on really bad teams.
    Yeah, in theory you will eventually come out plus, that is unless you wind up with a year featuring a win-less or an undefeated team.
    Carried to the extreme, you are doubling up your remaining system plays every week and praying they do by the end of the season either win or lose a game.
    If you have the resources to keep doubling bets week after week in your worst case scenario, it comes down to betting that by the end of the season, there will be no undefeated and no win-less teams.
    A dollar doubled: !, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 5096, 10192, 20384, 40768 week 16.
    so your accumulated loss by week 15 for that win-less or undefeated team is 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 +16 + ......+20384 = 39767
    Your wins? week one you win $1 on each winner and reduce your remaining teams to bet on or against.
    Week 2 you win $2 on each win and further reduce your remaining team pool plays.........your $2 win gets your $1 back for a $1 profit.
    This is completely ignoring the vig on the wagers as well only for the sake of argument even though the vig compounded does change the required bankroll needed to finance this scheme.
    How realistic is a $1 beginning wager? Starting at $100 you would be wagering 128,000 on or against any 8-0 or 0-8 teams Week 8....
    You have very low reward up front on your system and very high risk on the back end.....
    Just thinking out loud....
    I know this is just an idea you are tossing out there, not something you are actually doing.....
    BOL





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    Quote Originally Posted by Sopranoman27:

    Tom: Each team has to win or lose eventually against the spread.  If it goes 4-7 this week then that means I only have 7 teams left that need to cover.

    OK, I was looking at it from the point of this week's result.

    So, the teams that continue their streaks and go 0-3 or 3-0 you will need to double the bet the following week.

    Then, the teams that continue 0-4 and 4-0 you will need to again double the bet.

    5-0 or 0-5 double again. You need deep pockets to carry this through to the end and the farther you go you are betting against really good teams and betting on really bad teams.
    Yeah, in theory you will eventually come out plus, that is unless you wind up with a year featuring a win-less or an undefeated team.
    Carried to the extreme, you are doubling up your remaining system plays every week and praying they do by the end of the season either win or lose a game.
    If you have the resources to keep doubling bets week after week in your worst case scenario, it comes down to betting that by the end of the season, there will be no undefeated and no win-less teams.
    A dollar doubled: !, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 5096, 10192, 20384, 40768 week 16.
    so your accumulated loss by week 15 for that win-less or undefeated team is 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 +16 + ......+20384 = 39767
    Your wins? week one you win $1 on each winner and reduce your remaining teams to bet on or against.
    Week 2 you win $2 on each win and further reduce your remaining team pool plays.........your $2 win gets your $1 back for a $1 profit.
    This is completely ignoring the vig on the wagers as well only for the sake of argument even though the vig compounded does change the required bankroll needed to finance this scheme.
    How realistic is a $1 beginning wager? Starting at $100 you would be wagering 128,000 on or against any 8-0 or 0-8 teams Week 8....
    You have very low reward up front on your system and very high risk on the back end.....
    Just thinking out loud....
    I know this is just an idea you are tossing out there, not something you are actually doing.....
    BOL





     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 3:52 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by TomE:


    OK, I was looking at it from the point of this week's result.

    So, the teams that continue their streaks and go 0-3 or 3-0 you will need to double the bet the following week.

    Then, the teams that continue 0-4 and 4-0 you will need to again double the bet.

    5-0 or 0-5 double again. You need deep pockets to carry this through to the end and the farther you go you are betting against really good teams and betting on really bad teams.
    Yeah, in theory you will eventually come out plus, that is unless you wind up with a year featuring a win-less or an undefeated team.
    Carried to the extreme, you are doubling up your remaining system plays every week and praying they do by the end of the season either win or lose a game.
    If you have the resources to keep doubling bets week after week in your worst case scenario, it comes down to betting that by the end of the season, there will be no undefeated and no win-less teams.
    A dollar doubled: !, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 5096, 10192, 20384, 40768 week 16.
    so your accumulated loss by week 15 for that win-less or undefeated team is 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 +16 + ......+20384 = 39767
    Your wins? week one you win $1 on each winner and reduce your remaining teams to bet on or against.
    Week 2 you win $2 on each win and further reduce your remaining team pool plays.........your $2 win gets your $1 back for a $1 profit.
    This is completely ignoring the vig on the wagers as well only for the sake of argument even though the vig compounded does change the required bankroll needed to finance this scheme.
    How realistic is a $1 beginning wager? Starting at $100 you would be wagering 128,000 on or against any 8-0 or 0-8 teams Week 8....
    You have very low reward up front on your system and very high risk on the back end.....
    Just thinking out loud....
    I know this is just an idea you are tossing out there, not something you are actually doing.....
    BOL







    my own correction  :   12,800 on or against any 8-0 or 0-8 team.
    big difference - lol.
    Still, a lot of dough to be betting for a $100 bettor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomE:


    OK, I was looking at it from the point of this week's result.

    So, the teams that continue their streaks and go 0-3 or 3-0 you will need to double the bet the following week.

    Then, the teams that continue 0-4 and 4-0 you will need to again double the bet.

    5-0 or 0-5 double again. You need deep pockets to carry this through to the end and the farther you go you are betting against really good teams and betting on really bad teams.
    Yeah, in theory you will eventually come out plus, that is unless you wind up with a year featuring a win-less or an undefeated team.
    Carried to the extreme, you are doubling up your remaining system plays every week and praying they do by the end of the season either win or lose a game.
    If you have the resources to keep doubling bets week after week in your worst case scenario, it comes down to betting that by the end of the season, there will be no undefeated and no win-less teams.
    A dollar doubled: !, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 5096, 10192, 20384, 40768 week 16.
    so your accumulated loss by week 15 for that win-less or undefeated team is 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 +16 + ......+20384 = 39767
    Your wins? week one you win $1 on each winner and reduce your remaining teams to bet on or against.
    Week 2 you win $2 on each win and further reduce your remaining team pool plays.........your $2 win gets your $1 back for a $1 profit.
    This is completely ignoring the vig on the wagers as well only for the sake of argument even though the vig compounded does change the required bankroll needed to finance this scheme.
    How realistic is a $1 beginning wager? Starting at $100 you would be wagering 128,000 on or against any 8-0 or 0-8 teams Week 8....
    You have very low reward up front on your system and very high risk on the back end.....
    Just thinking out loud....
    I know this is just an idea you are tossing out there, not something you are actually doing.....
    BOL







    my own correction  :   12,800 on or against any 8-0 or 0-8 team.
    big difference - lol.
    Still, a lot of dough to be betting for a $100 bettor.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 5:11 PM ET #13

    Yes I fully understand that and yes it is a crazy amount of money to put up to just win $100 but it pretty much is a guaranteed win in the end is all I am saying.  I wouldn't do all 11 teams, I would maybe just do a handful or maybe less.  Like you said, I am just throwing the idea out there and I do appreciate your input on it, thank you.  I am going to try 2-5 teams this weekend depending on how I feel lol. 
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    Yes I fully understand that and yes it is a crazy amount of money to put up to just win $100 but it pretty much is a guaranteed win in the end is all I am saying.  I wouldn't do all 11 teams, I would maybe just do a handful or maybe less.  Like you said, I am just throwing the idea out there and I do appreciate your input on it, thank you.  I am going to try 2-5 teams this weekend depending on how I feel lol. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 7:11 PM ET #14

    I don't know the longest streak, but the 2003 Oakland Raiders lost the first 9 games ATS. The 2007 New England team won the first 10 games ATS.
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    I don't know the longest streak, but the 2003 Oakland Raiders lost the first 9 games ATS. The 2007 New England team won the first 10 games ATS.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 7:36 PM ET #15

    It's not a bad idea.  Just know it's not a guaranteed profit, and you could go broke.  Even with that warning, I think it's a decent strategy.  Let us know what happens.
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    It's not a bad idea.  Just know it's not a guaranteed profit, and you could go broke.  Even with that warning, I think it's a decent strategy.  Let us know what happens.
     
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    Thanks Jarhead for those stats, I hope that doesn't happen.  I might just try to pick which teams I think have the best chances.  I'll let you know what happens.
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    Thanks Jarhead for those stats, I hope that doesn't happen.  I might just try to pick which teams I think have the best chances.  I'll let you know what happens.
     
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    LOL I think this strategy went 9-2 this weekend.  Too bad I didn't even try it.  I think the two plays left are against the raiders which would be the pats this week and against the 49ers which would be philly this week.  Think I'll chase these two!
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    LOL I think this strategy went 9-2 this weekend.  Too bad I didn't even try it.  I think the two plays left are against the raiders which would be the pats this week and against the 49ers which would be philly this week.  Think I'll chase these two!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 3:42 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Sopranoman27:

    LOL I think this strategy went 9-2 this weekend.  Too bad I didn't even try it.  I think the two plays left are against the raiders which would be the pats this week and against the 49ers which would be philly this week.  Think I'll chase these two!

     

    interesting...how are the raiders and 49ers plays this week? because they are both 3-0 ats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sopranoman27:

    LOL I think this strategy went 9-2 this weekend.  Too bad I didn't even try it.  I think the two plays left are against the raiders which would be the pats this week and against the 49ers which would be philly this week.  Think I'll chase these two!

     

    interesting...how are the raiders and 49ers plays this week? because they are both 3-0 ats?

     
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    I think if you try this strategy the best bet is to go for teams that you think will be middle of the pack NFL teams. Teams that are really bad or really good seem to have more streakiness of winning or losing ATS. 

    Some suggested teams

    Bengals
    Dolphins
    Browns
    Cardinals
    Panthers
    Buccaneers

    If you stick to these teams and chase your ATS plays, should be a nice .500 ATS in the end. Trying to break streaks of teams like Pats, Steelers, Ravens, jets etc will be much more difficult. just my .02
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    I think if you try this strategy the best bet is to go for teams that you think will be middle of the pack NFL teams. Teams that are really bad or really good seem to have more streakiness of winning or losing ATS. 

    Some suggested teams

    Bengals
    Dolphins
    Browns
    Cardinals
    Panthers
    Buccaneers

    If you stick to these teams and chase your ATS plays, should be a nice .500 ATS in the end. Trying to break streaks of teams like Pats, Steelers, Ravens, jets etc will be much more difficult. just my .02
     
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    I have the perfect system that guarantees YOU win money in my blogs in my covers space BRB will post it for you !

     

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    I have the perfect system that guarantees YOU win money in my blogs in my covers space BRB will post it for you !

     

     
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    Betting 5000 to win 100 not too appealling if it gets to that point.  I rather just bet 5000 once when I believe there a huge edge and go 1-0 the entire football season.
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    Betting 5000 to win 100 not too appealling if it gets to that point.  I rather just bet 5000 once when I believe there a huge edge and go 1-0 the entire football season.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 4:33 PM ET #22

    HERES HOW to make MONEY Every week it's in the systems and strategies forum  and i was taught this by the wiseguys and sharps who BET sports for a living !

     

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=101131498

     

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    HERES HOW to make MONEY Every week it's in the systems and strategies forum  and i was taught this by the wiseguys and sharps who BET sports for a living !

     

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=101131498

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnmarie:

    HERES HOW to make MONEY Every week it's in the systems and strategies forum  and i was taught this by the wiseguys and sharps who BET sports for a living !

     

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=101131498

     


    talk about a mindfuck. that looks like a way to manage your bankroll, you still got to bet on the right teams
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnmarie:

    HERES HOW to make MONEY Every week it's in the systems and strategies forum  and i was taught this by the wiseguys and sharps who BET sports for a living !

     

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=79&sub=101131498

     


    talk about a mindfuck. that looks like a way to manage your bankroll, you still got to bet on the right teams
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 6:55 PM ET #24

    rams!!!!
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    rams!!!!
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2011 - 8:20 PM ET #25

    great idea, the old double up theory combined with a good stratedgy. hardly ever is a team 2-14 ats.....I predict that if u do this and do it perfectly, you will end up with around 48-54%% success. Wow. Sports betting spectacular
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    great idea, the old double up theory combined with a good stratedgy. hardly ever is a team 2-14 ats.....I predict that if u do this and do it perfectly, you will end up with around 48-54%% success. Wow. Sports betting spectacular
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