Can a hockey expert explain something

I'm a west coaster and while I'm sports savvy playing a couple into college we didn't have the ice to grow up playing hockey. I get a lot of the game nuance because of my athletic background and am a big hockey fan, Go Sharks, but on occasion I need some deep insight from someone in the know.

The Panthers f'd up my moneyline parlay. I need to know what the hell was happening on that play when the defender got picked by Ovechkin leading to the tying goal. 

My guess is they f'd up on a few levels. Since they had a goal lead the Defenseman rushing the puck up should not have been rushing the puck up (1)

(2) The other Defenseman should not have been rushing up ahead of him and been peeling back when he saw his pairing trying to handle the puck up the ice like it was a f'n powerplay with the score tied or losing.

(3) All five players were going straight up the ice with a one goal lead half way through the 3rd. Why would that even happen?

Can the Hockey knowledgeable help me out here?

And yes this will help me deal with the L

I didn't see the play, but sounds like they all got excited and everyone rushing up like that has worked for them all season - scoring machine all year. I think it will be a hard lesson learned. They aren't known for their defense haha, but you are 100% right about #2.

Thanks. Needed that insight. It just shouldn't have happened. I'd like to find the coach addressing the play after the game.

Each coaching system is different, but typically, if a Defenseman rushes the puck, the wing on that side of the ice has the responsibility to cover his Defenesive position for him.  It is not uncommon to have 4 players move up the ice to try and score, but when that happens, the 5th player is "supposed" to play conservatively, and hang back, and not pinch at blue line.

On the play you refer to, I think that no one saw that the Covering Wing went to the bench, so that affected the play.  The real reason was an incredible poke check by Ovi.  The D rushing the puck (nor anyone else) did not expect to be challenged on his own Blue line, nor did his 3 teammates, so when Ovi poked it away, they are all going up ice, and Kuznetsov was in all alone.  It was mostly due to Ovi's poke check, and much less about blown assignments.

Did you guys see the goalie interference call in the rangers game?To me it sure looked like the last little bump by the penquin player forced him into the goalie,what do you guys think?

Uh huh, Falls    I agree...

But now that I'm older (lol) I know not to waste my energy yelling at the tv, or the ref, or the tv booth, or the "4 tv screen review" going on in NHL central (that's a definite lol).

Kappo was starting to move to his left as he hit the blue ice, and even when he got checked in the back he tried to avoid/jump over DeSmith...and the Pens defender was the cause of multi-vehicle crash and made it look real bad.  NO WAY were Buttman's crew going to let the game (for all intents and purposes) end on a play that looked unfair to most of Pennsylvania (and Sid)...and that's why I didn't get crazy...

we all want a clean result when the playoffs are here, and that would have "tainted" (whatever the right adjective is) the final score...so waive it off.

Cheers buddy  

The defender tried to do too much. You are taught to pass the puck in that situation 99/100 times. He made the extra move and paid the ultimate price.

And also a great play by ovi 

Combo of a bad play by the defender and a very nice poke check from ovi

@DB51daBEARS

 I don't watch a ton of hockey,but I always seem to get them interference calls wrong.I know I'm not a rules expert,but to me it's clear that if the defensive player doesn't give him that last little bump,he might of been able to avoid the contact with the goaltender.

Goalie interference calls are tough.  It's like Pass Interference in NFL.  Very subjective.

I doubt the Pens guy was trying to push him into the goalie, rather he was just trying to push him to disrupt his shot, and get him past the goalie, so he doesn't get any type of rebound.  Pushing to try and "draw" a G.I. call is very risky, and he could get his Goalie injured if he is intentionally pushing a player into him, esp. going at top speed.  Remember these guys are going 25 MPH, and most are 200lbs.  

Sorry Crackhead for discussing something that has nothing to do with your original post,but I just figured if someone who knows the rules (aka a hockey expert) could explain some of these particular situations better to me.

I got another question as far as goalie interference,if your not supposed to do it why isn't it a penalty when you do it?

@BuckFalls

 in tuesdays game the goalie interference call was made because if there was no contact the goalie would have been in the net and made the save.....its basically them calling the goal back by saying goalie interference left an empty net

the penalty against pasta was because he went flying into the goalie without much help from the opposing player....if he had of stopped up and only nudged him its not a penalty....its somewhat at the refs discretion

@dubz4dummyz

 Thanks for trying to clarify it for me dubz.So Pasta got a penalty because he went into the goalie "without much help from the opposing player",and in the Rangers game the opposing player did help by bumping the guy into the goalie,so the Rangers player didn't receive a penalty.But if the player is bumped or pushed into the goalie,isn't it not goalie interference?

But if the player is bumped or pushed into the goalie,isn't it not goalie interference?

that is where the refs can use discretion

basically in the rangers game the player went hard to the net and as a result of a hockey play the goalie got taken out of his net and was given 0 opportunity to make the save...the ranger player interfered with the pens goalies ability to make the save by moving him out of the net.....he didnt purposely do it and was aided by the pens player so they didnt give him a penalty but they didnt let the goal stand because the ranger player caused the pens goalie to be out of the net.....

hopefully im not making it to confusing,,,hard to word it properly

pastas goaltender interference was more like roughing but since it involved the goalie its considered goaltender interference as well....but they could have just called roughing  but they almost never do that when a goalie is involved....and if the puck would have went in, pasta would have been the reason that the goalie couldnt make the save, but his was more viscious contact/blatant without help from the canes player if i remember right, he kinda lost his balance and flew into raanta

Thank you so much dubz for trying to clarify it for me,I really appreciate you taking the time.Like i said in my post 8,I usually get most of the goalie interference calls wrong,and now I see why.It seems like the only thing the Ranger player did wrong,was not being able to stop the penquin player from bumping him into the goalie.That's a tough thing to ask a player to do,is avoid the goaltender as you got a player bumping you into the goaltender.

Crackhead,again I apologize for veering this thread off topic.

@BuckFalls

 pretty much, he went hard into the net trying to create, didnt score and took the goalie completely out of the net which gave the rangers a tap in empty netter.....they made the right call to call the goal back IMO,

if they let it stand i would just tell my players to constantly drive the net and hope to take the goalie out for another wide open tap in goal 

Hey Dubz...take another look, buddy, if you want to.  Think you'll see Penguins #8 Doumoulin who pushed Kakko then wiped out his own goalie.

No biggie...I didn't even scream at my TV because what's the use lol.

Cheers  

@DB51daBEARS

he actually didnt push him at all, he had 2 hands on his stick with his stick on the ice....the momentum of kahko legs got into desmiths pads and took him outta the net

its very obvious when they slow it down, you can see demoulin with 2 hands on his stick and his stick on the ice....kahko hits desmiths pads and dumoulin starts to fall to the ice.....

not sure what you are seeing, video is very clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gI-Oifg3PE

but thanks, now that i checked it again they 100% made the right call

When I watched it live, I thought good goal as Kahko was pushed from behind. After listening to radio over the last 48 hours and reviewing the video, I agree, Kahko's momentum would have taken him into DeSmith. 

Bottom line is this is such a subjective area. It could change from one night to the next based off who is reviewing the video. I think officiating to this point haven't been that awful. My problem is when they start the game allowing things and at the end of the game, the whistle is blowing. Keep it consistent is all I ask. 

@GASportsDoc

 a bit to ticky-tack for my liking, but like i was saying the other day, as long as its just games 1-4....they cant be doing this in games 5-7.....but i have a feeling they might....

bettman believes more goals = more viewership which is probably correct....im sure their offices have crunched all the numbers