I have been doing some more research before placing my Stanley Cup series bet as the current odds at my book is Bolts +155 and AV’s at -195.
My first gut instinct was that the AV’s will win the Cup in 6 games. However, after looking at their playoff schedule, they swept an offensively inept team w/ an above average defense in the Preds. Similarly, they swept an offensive juggernaut but with an average ho-hum defense anchored by a former Norris trophy winner in Keith, but is obviously a former shell of himself.
Thus, the team that gave the AV’s the most problems was a well balanced, experienced Championship pedigree team in the Blues (who are like the poor man’s/K-Mart Blue Light special version of the Bolts). Although the AV’s took the Blues out in 6, many hockey pundits would argue (and many would agree) that the Blues series would have at the very least gone to 7 games with a good chance that the Blues could have beaten the AV’s in a game 7 if Bennington didn’t get injured by Nazri (who by the way got what was coming to him from Kane IMO).
That said, the Bolts will unequivocally be the toughest team the AV’s will have played all during the playoffs. The Bolts are obviously an experienced, well-balanced team that can roll out 4 lines and are the current back-to-back SC champions. So they are basically the Blues on steroids!! Plus, the Bolts have the best goalie in the world (today’s modern day Dominek Hasek) in Vasy and they are going to get back Point who is one of their top offensive players behind Kucherov and Stamkos but more importantly plays the complete 200 foot game.
So when I think of all of the foregoing, I am starting to change my initial thoughts and now leaning towards the Bolts cementing their legacy as a dynasty by winning their 3rd consecutive Stanley Cup.
The key to who wins the cup in my opinion is who can dictate the pace of the game. If the Av’s can control the pace and make it a run n gun type of tempo, then I believe they will beat the Bolts in 6 or 7 games. On the other hand, if the Bolts can dictate the pace and make it a defensive oriented and greasy kind of series, then I believe they will win with the deciding factor going to Vasy over Kuemper. This is not to say that the Bolts couldn’t run n gun with the Av’s but I just don’t think that would be the optimal strategy to try to beat them at their own game. Rather, I believe the Bolts have the higher probability of imposing their style of play on the Av’s due to their experience and championship pedigree of making it a defensive oriented (and the casual or novice hockey fans/viewers would say it’s boring) series with strong goalie play. If so, then I believe the Bolts will win in 6 or 7 games.
In conclusion, I am going to put 5 dimes at +155 on the Lightening for the series. With Point back and Vasy playing in the zone, I believe the Bolts will be able to dictate the pace and ultimately prove to be too deep and experienced for the Av’s. So Bolts in 6 or 7. I think the AV’s will eventually win the Cup again but not this year but likely the next couple of years unless the Oilers can get a solid blue line and goalie or the Leafs can finally get their shit together!
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I have been doing some more research before placing my Stanley Cup series bet as the current odds at my book is Bolts +155 and AV’s at -195.
My first gut instinct was that the AV’s will win the Cup in 6 games. However, after looking at their playoff schedule, they swept an offensively inept team w/ an above average defense in the Preds. Similarly, they swept an offensive juggernaut but with an average ho-hum defense anchored by a former Norris trophy winner in Keith, but is obviously a former shell of himself.
Thus, the team that gave the AV’s the most problems was a well balanced, experienced Championship pedigree team in the Blues (who are like the poor man’s/K-Mart Blue Light special version of the Bolts). Although the AV’s took the Blues out in 6, many hockey pundits would argue (and many would agree) that the Blues series would have at the very least gone to 7 games with a good chance that the Blues could have beaten the AV’s in a game 7 if Bennington didn’t get injured by Nazri (who by the way got what was coming to him from Kane IMO).
That said, the Bolts will unequivocally be the toughest team the AV’s will have played all during the playoffs. The Bolts are obviously an experienced, well-balanced team that can roll out 4 lines and are the current back-to-back SC champions. So they are basically the Blues on steroids!! Plus, the Bolts have the best goalie in the world (today’s modern day Dominek Hasek) in Vasy and they are going to get back Point who is one of their top offensive players behind Kucherov and Stamkos but more importantly plays the complete 200 foot game.
So when I think of all of the foregoing, I am starting to change my initial thoughts and now leaning towards the Bolts cementing their legacy as a dynasty by winning their 3rd consecutive Stanley Cup.
The key to who wins the cup in my opinion is who can dictate the pace of the game. If the Av’s can control the pace and make it a run n gun type of tempo, then I believe they will beat the Bolts in 6 or 7 games. On the other hand, if the Bolts can dictate the pace and make it a defensive oriented and greasy kind of series, then I believe they will win with the deciding factor going to Vasy over Kuemper. This is not to say that the Bolts couldn’t run n gun with the Av’s but I just don’t think that would be the optimal strategy to try to beat them at their own game. Rather, I believe the Bolts have the higher probability of imposing their style of play on the Av’s due to their experience and championship pedigree of making it a defensive oriented (and the casual or novice hockey fans/viewers would say it’s boring) series with strong goalie play. If so, then I believe the Bolts will win in 6 or 7 games.
In conclusion, I am going to put 5 dimes at +155 on the Lightening for the series. With Point back and Vasy playing in the zone, I believe the Bolts will be able to dictate the pace and ultimately prove to be too deep and experienced for the Av’s. So Bolts in 6 or 7. I think the AV’s will eventually win the Cup again but not this year but likely the next couple of years unless the Oilers can get a solid blue line and goalie or the Leafs can finally get their shit together!
Good thread. I had many of the same thoughts; my initial gut feeling is the Avs would win. BUT.. but...
I had already a beautifully placed future bet on the Bolts to win the Conference (Like I said before the Rangers could not score 5 on 5 against the Bolts late in that series) which put me way ahead and an even bigger bet on them to win the Stanley Cup. I felt after the Florida series it was their destiny to win 3 cups in a row.
Honestly, the Avs are a very good offensive team. But I'm not crazy about their goaltending! And who has the best goaltender right now? Tampa Bay by a f00ken landslide. Vasy is ready and primed. When I think about the Avs opponents, I am not impressed by them handling Nashville at all. They beat a potent Oilers team who had a very shaky goaltender that could be scored on at any time it felt like. As for the Blues, prior to being injured, it really did feel like Binnington would make it a 7 game series. Just like Rangers not facing someone of Vasy's caliber all playoffs, lets see how these Avs do when they play a stud in net.
Believe me, it's tempting to take the cash out offer on my cup bet. But since I'm ahead, this is the fun part. I find myself rooting for TB because they are a complete team with great coaching. Point returning should help. I'm hoping this is a great series in general. So for now, I'm letting my cup bet ride, no need for me to add to it or hedge. I think they have a shot to take game 1 if the Avs goalie shows the same rust Vasy did in game 1 against the Rangers. TB is definitely not rusty and should come out out.
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Good thread. I had many of the same thoughts; my initial gut feeling is the Avs would win. BUT.. but...
I had already a beautifully placed future bet on the Bolts to win the Conference (Like I said before the Rangers could not score 5 on 5 against the Bolts late in that series) which put me way ahead and an even bigger bet on them to win the Stanley Cup. I felt after the Florida series it was their destiny to win 3 cups in a row.
Honestly, the Avs are a very good offensive team. But I'm not crazy about their goaltending! And who has the best goaltender right now? Tampa Bay by a f00ken landslide. Vasy is ready and primed. When I think about the Avs opponents, I am not impressed by them handling Nashville at all. They beat a potent Oilers team who had a very shaky goaltender that could be scored on at any time it felt like. As for the Blues, prior to being injured, it really did feel like Binnington would make it a 7 game series. Just like Rangers not facing someone of Vasy's caliber all playoffs, lets see how these Avs do when they play a stud in net.
Believe me, it's tempting to take the cash out offer on my cup bet. But since I'm ahead, this is the fun part. I find myself rooting for TB because they are a complete team with great coaching. Point returning should help. I'm hoping this is a great series in general. So for now, I'm letting my cup bet ride, no need for me to add to it or hedge. I think they have a shot to take game 1 if the Avs goalie shows the same rust Vasy did in game 1 against the Rangers. TB is definitely not rusty and should come out out.
Good writeup but you may want to consider getting a new sportsbook. That 40 cent straddle on the series price borders on larceny. If the Avalanche are -195 then the Lightning should be +175.
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Good writeup but you may want to consider getting a new sportsbook. That 40 cent straddle on the series price borders on larceny. If the Avalanche are -195 then the Lightning should be +175.
I hear ya but it’s the only book I have here in LA. We don’t have legalized sports betting in Cali except on the Indian Rez’s and they don’t have sportsbooks. So I have to go to Vegas or use my local book (which is what I do). I wish I could of gotten a more favorable Bolts series bet but it is what it is.
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@legguy69
I hear ya but it’s the only book I have here in LA. We don’t have legalized sports betting in Cali except on the Indian Rez’s and they don’t have sportsbooks. So I have to go to Vegas or use my local book (which is what I do). I wish I could of gotten a more favorable Bolts series bet but it is what it is.
ehhh I just looked it up and betmgm is offering the series at +155/-190 so your bookie isn't too far off. Betrivers is a little better, DK not far off either but it's not like there's a huge discrepancy.
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ehhh I just looked it up and betmgm is offering the series at +155/-190 so your bookie isn't too far off. Betrivers is a little better, DK not far off either but it's not like there's a huge discrepancy.
Good Luck 2BuKu. I have a hundo on Bolts to win cup at +700 (bet back in March). Letting it ride. Up almost 15 units this playoffs, so no need to get cute.
I do like your assessment - Blues and Bolts similar in terms of makeup, and those lunch-pail, gritty grinding teams do seem to win most of the Cups. Avs are too much like FLA, Oil or the Canes to go toe to toe in a 7 game knockdown drag out series. Add Vas to the mix, and +155/+160 seems like a fantastic investment.
We shall see. BOL.
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Good Luck 2BuKu. I have a hundo on Bolts to win cup at +700 (bet back in March). Letting it ride. Up almost 15 units this playoffs, so no need to get cute.
I do like your assessment - Blues and Bolts similar in terms of makeup, and those lunch-pail, gritty grinding teams do seem to win most of the Cups. Avs are too much like FLA, Oil or the Canes to go toe to toe in a 7 game knockdown drag out series. Add Vas to the mix, and +155/+160 seems like a fantastic investment.
The question to me is do the Avs have what it takes to take down the defending cup winners. The edge for me is in the pipes. I dont care which goalie plays for the Avs. They do not even come close to Vasilisky. The Avs faced 3 teams all 3 had goaltending problems. The Avs outscored all 3 opponents. The Bolts pose a different test. You will not beat them by outscoring them. The Bolts are a nasty team they will hit the Avs they are physicall. Ask the teams they played. The Bolts beat 3 good teams. The Leafs the Panthers and now the Rangers. The Avs got Nashville no goalie and the Blues with another goalie down. They then played the Oilers with Smith in net. This Lightning team had no number one centre the since Point went down in the Panter series. I think he will be back for the finals. There PP becomes that much better as well. I like the Lightning for those reasons. Vasilisky is a winner he is the reason why I like Tampa. Good luck whoever you take. For me the Bolts in 6
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The question to me is do the Avs have what it takes to take down the defending cup winners. The edge for me is in the pipes. I dont care which goalie plays for the Avs. They do not even come close to Vasilisky. The Avs faced 3 teams all 3 had goaltending problems. The Avs outscored all 3 opponents. The Bolts pose a different test. You will not beat them by outscoring them. The Bolts are a nasty team they will hit the Avs they are physicall. Ask the teams they played. The Bolts beat 3 good teams. The Leafs the Panthers and now the Rangers. The Avs got Nashville no goalie and the Blues with another goalie down. They then played the Oilers with Smith in net. This Lightning team had no number one centre the since Point went down in the Panter series. I think he will be back for the finals. There PP becomes that much better as well. I like the Lightning for those reasons. Vasilisky is a winner he is the reason why I like Tampa. Good luck whoever you take. For me the Bolts in 6
I don't see Point playing better than 50%. I'm surprised he is playing . I think they should move him to the wing. Tampa has the edge in coaching , goaltending and experience. I think series goes 6 or 7 games . Both teams adjust well on the fly so it should be super entertaining and competitive. I respect what Tampa has done and am pulling for them BUT I think Avs win game one . good luck with your plays
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I don't see Point playing better than 50%. I'm surprised he is playing . I think they should move him to the wing. Tampa has the edge in coaching , goaltending and experience. I think series goes 6 or 7 games . Both teams adjust well on the fly so it should be super entertaining and competitive. I respect what Tampa has done and am pulling for them BUT I think Avs win game one . good luck with your plays
hope for an Avs game 1 victory then lock up your Tampa series prices around +250 or better
Agreed
Value clearly on the Bolts at this point. No way will I step in front of the determination of MacKinnon however. Avalanche in 5 is indeed a strong possibility imho. GL with your plays, nice write up.
The impossible only takes longer….
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Quote Originally Posted by BIGDTITLE:
hope for an Avs game 1 victory then lock up your Tampa series prices around +250 or better
Agreed
Value clearly on the Bolts at this point. No way will I step in front of the determination of MacKinnon however. Avalanche in 5 is indeed a strong possibility imho. GL with your plays, nice write up.
And a small hedge on TB in 6 at +600 and TB in 7 at +575… The only way Bolts win is a grinding, low scoring, hot goaltending type of matchup that goes the distance. Avs are too good to not win 6 games imo.
Tedious is how hard the Lightning will make it to win 4 games. They’ve won 11 straight series. #88 Vasileskiy in net is like Mariano Rivera, the ultimate closer…near possible to score on.
However, this Avalanche Team is hungrier imo…the Bolts look a tad long in the tooth. The speed of the Avalanche especially on the defensive side will simply be too much to handle 5 on 5.
I’ll take the under 6 in the first 4 games, although I’m guessing it hits 5.5 by Game 3.
GL, most importantly enjoy the best Stanley Cup matchup we’ve had in over a decade!!
The impossible only takes longer….
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I agree, my Final Answer Lanche in 6.
And a small hedge on TB in 6 at +600 and TB in 7 at +575… The only way Bolts win is a grinding, low scoring, hot goaltending type of matchup that goes the distance. Avs are too good to not win 6 games imo.
Tedious is how hard the Lightning will make it to win 4 games. They’ve won 11 straight series. #88 Vasileskiy in net is like Mariano Rivera, the ultimate closer…near possible to score on.
However, this Avalanche Team is hungrier imo…the Bolts look a tad long in the tooth. The speed of the Avalanche especially on the defensive side will simply be too much to handle 5 on 5.
I’ll take the under 6 in the first 4 games, although I’m guessing it hits 5.5 by Game 3.
GL, most importantly enjoy the best Stanley Cup matchup we’ve had in over a decade!!
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