The game is 1/2 and i am in first position.. -5 handed
I get 10-9 hearts and limp. guy in second position calls button folds and small blind calls BB checks. Flop is Qs-7h-6s. Gets checked around to the turn. a low 2 of hearts comes up. small and big check and then i check. second position bets 10, small blind and i call. To the river, another low heart being the 3 hits giving me a 10 high flush. Small blind bets 25 i reraise to 60 allday and then the guy to my left who is the strongest and best player at the table raises all in which would be about 60 more to me. Small blind, a loose and aggressive player, folds. What do i do.
I'll tell you hand outcome tomorrow.
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ok heres the hand..
The game is 1/2 and i am in first position.. -5 handed
I get 10-9 hearts and limp. guy in second position calls button folds and small blind calls BB checks. Flop is Qs-7h-6s. Gets checked around to the turn. a low 2 of hearts comes up. small and big check and then i check. second position bets 10, small blind and i call. To the river, another low heart being the 3 hits giving me a 10 high flush. Small blind bets 25 i reraise to 60 allday and then the guy to my left who is the strongest and best player at the table raises all in which would be about 60 more to me. Small blind, a loose and aggressive player, folds. What do i do.
haha, "strongest and best player" thanks, when i first read it i wanted to correct how it was played out but im really not in the mood cuz its close enough. Im interested to see what people think tho...
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haha, "strongest and best player" thanks, when i first read it i wanted to correct how it was played out but im really not in the mood cuz its close enough. Im interested to see what people think tho...
spoon are you trying to say that you are the guy he was playing against?
you definately have to call. if he has a higher heart flush, then more power to him, but he has to have one of 3 cards in the deck, along with another heart to beat u. if you called and lost, then that is just one of the perils of gambling
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spoon are you trying to say that you are the guy he was playing against?
you definately have to call. if he has a higher heart flush, then more power to him, but he has to have one of 3 cards in the deck, along with another heart to beat u. if you called and lost, then that is just one of the perils of gambling
You really have to call..I mean sure he might have you beat but you are invested and its not costing you a million dollars..its not as if he raised All in with 400 bucks...
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You really have to call..I mean sure he might have you beat but you are invested and its not costing you a million dollars..its not as if he raised All in with 400 bucks...
Well, the guy to your left faces a bet AND a raise by you....yet he still goes all in raising $60 willingly giving you pretty damn good 3:1 odds to call (which if I were him, I would almost assume an automatic call by you after he went all in considering you've already raised the person who bet out). IMO, he HAS to give you credit for a decent hand. Yet he still puts in a small raise on an all in. Hmmmmmm. That seems awfully fishy to me. I can't argue a call getting 3:1, but it seems a rather crazy position for him to throw in the rest of his stack with trash knowing there are TWO people to act behind him....one who bet (although he is a loose player as you said) and one who has raised (you).....WITH a flush draw on the board.
Outcome?
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Well, the guy to your left faces a bet AND a raise by you....yet he still goes all in raising $60 willingly giving you pretty damn good 3:1 odds to call (which if I were him, I would almost assume an automatic call by you after he went all in considering you've already raised the person who bet out). IMO, he HAS to give you credit for a decent hand. Yet he still puts in a small raise on an all in. Hmmmmmm. That seems awfully fishy to me. I can't argue a call getting 3:1, but it seems a rather crazy position for him to throw in the rest of his stack with trash knowing there are TWO people to act behind him....one who bet (although he is a loose player as you said) and one who has raised (you).....WITH a flush draw on the board.
Assuming you have exactly $60 behind after your river raise.
2+2+2+2 (PF) + 10+10+10 (Turn) + 25+60+120 (River) = $243 in pot.
We are getting just over 4:1 on our call.
I'm calling. We may not be ahead too often, but we only have to be right 20% of the time to show a (very) marginal profit. We should be ahead more than that.
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First, I hate preflop. Unless the table is passive preflop, I am raising or folding this.
I don't want to play this out of position to a raise behind me.
Assuming you have exactly $60 behind after your river raise.
2+2+2+2 (PF) + 10+10+10 (Turn) + 25+60+120 (River) = $243 in pot.
We are getting just over 4:1 on our call.
I'm calling. We may not be ahead too often, but we only have to be right 20% of the time to show a (very) marginal profit. We should be ahead more than that.
I called on the river.. with my 10 high flush... he asks me (spoondiggidy9) do "you have an ace high flush..?" which i obviously didnt. His hand was obvious after he said that a King high flush being kh-4h.
Unlucky there i guess. still i tough spot
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allright guys thanks for the input,
I called on the river.. with my 10 high flush... he asks me (spoondiggidy9) do "you have an ace high flush..?" which i obviously didnt. His hand was obvious after he said that a King high flush being kh-4h.
it was actually k8 of hearts, giving me a straight and flush draw on the turn which is why i bet, there is a flaw in the hand description i didnt feel like fixing in a descrete way without giving away the hand.
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it was actually k8 of hearts, giving me a straight and flush draw on the turn which is why i bet, there is a flaw in the hand description i didnt feel like fixing in a descrete way without giving away the hand.
I also want to make note as to why this is a foldable hand in this situation because of my knowledge of how the hand was played and why i probably had him beat. This is all stuff you guys wouldnt know, but erik would and just some subtle hints.
-Out of every home game we ahve played together, probably 4 years worth, i have bluffed all in once.
-I can read the board, seems pretty silly to say but it makes sense. Basically i can see that people on the turn are either trying to show down their top pair, on a straight draw, or on a flush draw. For this reasoning if i for example, had the 4 hgih flush draw on the turn, and hit on the river, i wouldnt be raising all in there with 2 bettors in front of me.
- The actual betting wasnt like the way it was described, it was pretty close but not exact. Regardless here is an important part, i went all in for about 200, the original bettor had about 140ish and erik had about 60-75. Anyway with an opening bet and a raise, and with my style of play, there is no way that i dont have a flush there going all in for my whole stack after this betting pattern. Also, knowing my style and that i 95% chance that i have a flush here, you have to think about what hands i would have, you already have 109 of hearts, and the 7 of hearts and i think the 5 of hearts was the real turn card cuz i know i was betting my straight and flush draw. With these two hearts out you can take out 78, 76,65, 45, etc and i wouldnt play low gapped connectors. So therefore i can either have 34/23 of hearts or i can have jack-ace high flush. jack is a possiblity because i probably would play j8 of hearts. I also would play ace or king high suited card because of how the table has been played and because it was cheap, i may have even raised for deception which takes away from my point but, you know.
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I also want to make note as to why this is a foldable hand in this situation because of my knowledge of how the hand was played and why i probably had him beat. This is all stuff you guys wouldnt know, but erik would and just some subtle hints.
-Out of every home game we ahve played together, probably 4 years worth, i have bluffed all in once.
-I can read the board, seems pretty silly to say but it makes sense. Basically i can see that people on the turn are either trying to show down their top pair, on a straight draw, or on a flush draw. For this reasoning if i for example, had the 4 hgih flush draw on the turn, and hit on the river, i wouldnt be raising all in there with 2 bettors in front of me.
- The actual betting wasnt like the way it was described, it was pretty close but not exact. Regardless here is an important part, i went all in for about 200, the original bettor had about 140ish and erik had about 60-75. Anyway with an opening bet and a raise, and with my style of play, there is no way that i dont have a flush there going all in for my whole stack after this betting pattern. Also, knowing my style and that i 95% chance that i have a flush here, you have to think about what hands i would have, you already have 109 of hearts, and the 7 of hearts and i think the 5 of hearts was the real turn card cuz i know i was betting my straight and flush draw. With these two hearts out you can take out 78, 76,65, 45, etc and i wouldnt play low gapped connectors. So therefore i can either have 34/23 of hearts or i can have jack-ace high flush. jack is a possiblity because i probably would play j8 of hearts. I also would play ace or king high suited card because of how the table has been played and because it was cheap, i may have even raised for deception which takes away from my point but, you know.
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thanks, when i first read it i wanted to correct how it was played out but im really not in the mood cuz its close enough. Im interested to see what people think tho...
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