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    another online poker scandal AP AP AP

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    Posted: Oct. 18, 2007 - 6:41 PM ET #1

    this time absolute poker
    they have already been blackballed by alot of advertisers , etc
     
    here is a link to the whole story htpp;//www.natarem.com/
     
    nate was instrumental in exposing this fraud poker site owned by ultimate bet poker entiprises, long read but very good
     
    click on the AP situation                                              
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    this time absolute poker
    they have already been blackballed by alot of advertisers , etc
     
    here is a link to the whole story htpp;//www.natarem.com/
     
    nate was instrumental in exposing this fraud poker site owned by ultimate bet poker entiprises, long read but very good
     
    click on the AP situation                                              
     
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    Posted: Oct. 18, 2007 - 8:43 PM ET #2

    I've been reading about this.......sounds like a bad deal. I still don't understand why they didn't just beat the lower limit games for damn near eternity.......also it wouldn't be a terrible idea to mix in a few losing days and plays......love the guy who NEVER called a losing bet!!
     
     Not good for the folks at AB and the cats who lost the lion's share of $700k......I would be very !
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    I've been reading about this.......sounds like a bad deal. I still don't understand why they didn't just beat the lower limit games for damn near eternity.......also it wouldn't be a terrible idea to mix in a few losing days and plays......love the guy who NEVER called a losing bet!!
     
     Not good for the folks at AB and the cats who lost the lion's share of $700k......I would be very !
     
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    Posted: Oct. 18, 2007 - 11:26 PM ET #3

    exactly my thoughts
     
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    exactly my thoughts
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 11:40 AM ET #4

    go to the "other" site and there is huge thread about all of this with all the youtube videos of all the hands this guy played....he could see everyone's cards won the 1.2 million tourny with calling an all in on the river....with ten high.
    The guy was an idiot, if he plays normal, he gets away with it but I guess he raised flags b/c of his shady calls.
     
    HUGE blackeye for online but glad to see they are doing stuff to rectify it.
     
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    go to the "other" site and there is huge thread about all of this with all the youtube videos of all the hands this guy played....he could see everyone's cards won the 1.2 million tourny with calling an all in on the river....with ten high.
    The guy was an idiot, if he plays normal, he gets away with it but I guess he raised flags b/c of his shady calls.
     
    HUGE blackeye for online but glad to see they are doing stuff to rectify it.
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 1:39 PM ET #5

    On the youtube video. His river win percentage was 100%. LOL
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    On the youtube video. His river win percentage was 100%. LOL
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 2:14 PM ET #6

    yeah i seen the whole tourny on the pxf replayer  the guy that was cheating at absolute poker not only won the 1k buyin tourny but beat high stakes players at over or close to a mill
     
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    yeah i seen the whole tourny on the pxf replayer  the guy that was cheating at absolute poker not only won the 1k buyin tourny but beat high stakes players at over or close to a mill
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 8:49 PM ET #7

    the link you posted cuts off the left side of the page halfway down... So can someone explain exactly what happened?
     
    From what Ive read, this is what I got out of it, that Absolute Poker is soon to admit their site was compromised... by that they mean someone hacked into their system to see all the cards?
    Or are they admitting to cheating, because I played online there once and i felt it was the worst beats ive ever had on online poker, never went back there again, I think I had like 300 deposit and all i did was play tournaments, and I didnt place once, it was the most garbage I ever saw playing poker. Most online poker sites are very sketchy, but that was by far the worst site.
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    the link you posted cuts off the left side of the page halfway down... So can someone explain exactly what happened?
     
    From what Ive read, this is what I got out of it, that Absolute Poker is soon to admit their site was compromised... by that they mean someone hacked into their system to see all the cards?
    Or are they admitting to cheating, because I played online there once and i felt it was the worst beats ive ever had on online poker, never went back there again, I think I had like 300 deposit and all i did was play tournaments, and I didnt place once, it was the most garbage I ever saw playing poker. Most online poker sites are very sketchy, but that was by far the worst site.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 10:57 PM ET #8

    There is a good discussion of this by Nat on the Oct. 21 episode of  Big Poker Sundays on Pokerroad.

    https://www.pokerroad.com/_/big_poker_sundays/
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    There is a good discussion of this by Nat on the Oct. 21 episode of  Big Poker Sundays on Pokerroad.

    https://www.pokerroad.com/_/big_poker_sundays/
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 11:00 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyGB:

    the link you posted cuts off the left side of the page halfway down... So can someone explain exactly what happened?
     
    From what Ive read, this is what I got out of it, that Absolute Poker is soon to admit their site was compromised... by that they mean someone hacked into their system to see all the cards?
    Or are they admitting to cheating, because I played online there once and i felt it was the worst beats ive ever had on online poker, never went back there again, I think I had like 300 deposit and all i did was play tournaments, and I didnt place once, it was the most garbage I ever saw playing poker. Most online poker sites are very sketchy, but that was by far the worst site.


    Tournaments are high variance by nature, so going on a lengthy run of out of the money finishes is to be expected. It's very likely that you were not cheated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyGB:

    the link you posted cuts off the left side of the page halfway down... So can someone explain exactly what happened?
     
    From what Ive read, this is what I got out of it, that Absolute Poker is soon to admit their site was compromised... by that they mean someone hacked into their system to see all the cards?
    Or are they admitting to cheating, because I played online there once and i felt it was the worst beats ive ever had on online poker, never went back there again, I think I had like 300 deposit and all i did was play tournaments, and I didnt place once, it was the most garbage I ever saw playing poker. Most online poker sites are very sketchy, but that was by far the worst site.


    Tournaments are high variance by nature, so going on a lengthy run of out of the money finishes is to be expected. It's very likely that you were not cheated.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2007 - 9:38 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyGB:

    the link you posted cuts off the left side of the page halfway down... So can someone explain exactly what happened?
     
    From what Ive read, this is what I got out of it, that Absolute Poker is soon to admit their site was compromised... by that they mean someone hacked into their system to see all the cards?
    Or are they admitting to cheating, because I played online there once and i felt it was the worst beats ive ever had on online poker, never went back there again, I think I had like 300 deposit and all i did was play tournaments, and I didnt place once, it was the most garbage I ever saw playing poker. Most online poker sites are very sketchy, but that was by far the worst site.

     

    from what I understand of it, it was a guy that worked for them and he signed up under a couple different alias accounts and had access to see everyone's cards (through I guessing some kind of code or software)...absolute poker didn't know what was going on.

    This guy was taking thousands and thousands of dollars from people in the high limit $200-400 NL games...someone said he took $38 from one guy in a ONE sitting!!! He was calling people down with sick stuff too, once with King high.

    I guess he got a little too greedy and entered the 1.2 million dollar tourny and that's when he got caught.

    On the "other" site, they were saying that Mark Seif is somehow involved.

    But to my knowledge Absolute poker knew nothing about this ahead of time and it wasn't thier software that was was compromised...it was b/c this guy had inside info to their codes, that's how he was able to break their software.

    And to their credit, they did catch him and report it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyGB:

    the link you posted cuts off the left side of the page halfway down... So can someone explain exactly what happened?
     
    From what Ive read, this is what I got out of it, that Absolute Poker is soon to admit their site was compromised... by that they mean someone hacked into their system to see all the cards?
    Or are they admitting to cheating, because I played online there once and i felt it was the worst beats ive ever had on online poker, never went back there again, I think I had like 300 deposit and all i did was play tournaments, and I didnt place once, it was the most garbage I ever saw playing poker. Most online poker sites are very sketchy, but that was by far the worst site.

     

    from what I understand of it, it was a guy that worked for them and he signed up under a couple different alias accounts and had access to see everyone's cards (through I guessing some kind of code or software)...absolute poker didn't know what was going on.

    This guy was taking thousands and thousands of dollars from people in the high limit $200-400 NL games...someone said he took $38 from one guy in a ONE sitting!!! He was calling people down with sick stuff too, once with King high.

    I guess he got a little too greedy and entered the 1.2 million dollar tourny and that's when he got caught.

    On the "other" site, they were saying that Mark Seif is somehow involved.

    But to my knowledge Absolute poker knew nothing about this ahead of time and it wasn't thier software that was was compromised...it was b/c this guy had inside info to their codes, that's how he was able to break their software.

    And to their credit, they did catch him and report it.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2007 - 10:52 AM ET #11

    I'm 99% sure that the cheats at AP were actually part of the ownership/management group of Absolute Poker....could be wrong, but that's my understanding.
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    I'm 99% sure that the cheats at AP were actually part of the ownership/management group of Absolute Poker....could be wrong, but that's my understanding.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2007 - 3:56 PM ET #12

    So I may be missing something but based on the video I can't tell how he was cheating?
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    So I may be missing something but based on the video I can't tell how he was cheating?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2007 - 4:14 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo21:

    So I may be missing something but based on the video I can't tell how he was cheating?

    Are you talking about the "Potripper" video?? He can see everybody's hole cards, that's how he's cheating.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo21:

    So I may be missing something but based on the video I can't tell how he was cheating?

    Are you talking about the "Potripper" video?? He can see everybody's hole cards, that's how he's cheating.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2007 - 4:32 PM ET #14

    there is 2 different scandals
     
    the 1.2 million winner was dq because he had played with up to 5 acc that wason wcoop on stars . they busted him
     
    the AP scandal with pottripper he saw all the hole cards and that acc also is linked to the upper management at AP that robbed high stakes players over 7 mill in 3 yrs
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    there is 2 different scandals
     
    the 1.2 million winner was dq because he had played with up to 5 acc that wason wcoop on stars . they busted him
     
    the AP scandal with pottripper he saw all the hole cards and that acc also is linked to the upper management at AP that robbed high stakes players over 7 mill in 3 yrs
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2007 - 11:13 PM ET #15

    https://www.absolutepokercheats.com/
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    https://www.absolutepokercheats.com/
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2007 - 11:13 PM ET #16

    this is the last hand to win the tournament....

    Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No
    Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:48 (ET)
    Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
    Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
    Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
    POTRIPPER - Ante $450
    CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
    POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
    CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to CRAZYMARCO [9h 2h]
    POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
    CRAZYMARCO - Checks
    *** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
    CRAZYMARCO - Checks
    POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
    CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
    *** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
    CRAZYMARCO - Checks
    POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
    CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
    POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
    *** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
    CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
    POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot
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    this is the last hand to win the tournament....

    Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No
    Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:48 (ET)
    Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
    Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
    Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
    POTRIPPER - Ante $450
    CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
    POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
    CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to CRAZYMARCO [9h 2h]
    POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
    CRAZYMARCO - Checks
    *** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
    CRAZYMARCO - Checks
    POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
    CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
    *** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
    CRAZYMARCO - Checks
    POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
    CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
    POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
    *** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
    CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
    POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2007 - 11:14 PM ET #17

    Here are the four parts for the youtube video:
    part 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FczbS7FiWSM
    part 2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbQyKgELDEA&watch_respon se
    part 3
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqmp-a7SzFs&watch_respon se
    part 4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCMiK9pJ7Kw&watch_respon se
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    Here are the four parts for the youtube video:
    part 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FczbS7FiWSM
    part 2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbQyKgELDEA&watch_respon se
    part 3
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqmp-a7SzFs&watch_respon se
    part 4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCMiK9pJ7Kw&watch_respon se
     
    mogo
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2007 - 11:15 PM ET #18

    comprehensive summary.
     
    https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=12541923&page=0&vc=1
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    comprehensive summary.
     
    https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=12541923&page=0&vc=1
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoFancyHandle:

     

    from what I understand of it, it was a guy that worked for them and he signed up under a couple different alias accounts and had access to see everyone's cards (through I guessing some kind of code or software)...absolute poker didn't know what was going on.

    This guy was taking thousands and thousands of dollars from people in the high limit $200-400 NL games...someone said he took $38 from one guy in a ONE sitting!!! He was calling people down with sick stuff too, once with King high.

    I guess he got a little too greedy and entered the 1.2 million dollar tourny and that's when he got caught.

    On the "other" site, they were saying that Mark Seif is somehow involved.

    But to my knowledge Absolute poker knew nothing about this ahead of time and it wasn't thier software that was was compromised...it was b/c this guy had inside info to their codes, that's how he was able to break their software.

    And to their credit, they did catch him and report it.




    they didn't catch him the second place player caught him
    Sometimes nothing can be a real Cool Hand
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoFancyHandle:

     

    from what I understand of it, it was a guy that worked for them and he signed up under a couple different alias accounts and had access to see everyone's cards (through I guessing some kind of code or software)...absolute poker didn't know what was going on.

    This guy was taking thousands and thousands of dollars from people in the high limit $200-400 NL games...someone said he took $38 from one guy in a ONE sitting!!! He was calling people down with sick stuff too, once with King high.

    I guess he got a little too greedy and entered the 1.2 million dollar tourny and that's when he got caught.

    On the "other" site, they were saying that Mark Seif is somehow involved.

    But to my knowledge Absolute poker knew nothing about this ahead of time and it wasn't thier software that was was compromised...it was b/c this guy had inside info to their codes, that's how he was able to break their software.

    And to their credit, they did catch him and report it.




    they didn't catch him the second place player caught him
     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2007 - 11:26 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by ssjimbeam:




    they didn't catch him the second place player caught him

     

    Correct. And they did nothing when the poker community were telling them what was going on, just deny, deny, deny. The only reason why they were found out was when they accidentally emailed the hand history of the tournament to the second place guy which had all the cards showing in the event. If it hadn't been for this they would probably have got away with it. Absolute are a disgrace as is the rest of the industry which takes player security so lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssjimbeam:




    they didn't catch him the second place player caught him

     

    Correct. And they did nothing when the poker community were telling them what was going on, just deny, deny, deny. The only reason why they were found out was when they accidentally emailed the hand history of the tournament to the second place guy which had all the cards showing in the event. If it hadn't been for this they would probably have got away with it. Absolute are a disgrace as is the rest of the industry which takes player security so lightly.

     
    totalguy
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2007 - 2:56 PM ET #21

    I'm 100% convinced that this isn't a case of a rogue employee simply going off on his own and getting what he can.  I believe that this is business as usual at AP and other online poker sites.  I believe that sites systematically use techniques like these to steal from their very trusting customers.  Its like taking candy from a baby and who was ever going to stop them?  The only way they were going to get caught was to trip up and do something as monumentally stupid as sending the full hand history with all hole cards.
     
    AP spining this as an isolated incident and that all is "back to normal" is about as believable as David Stern saying that Donaghy was an isolated incident and that the NBA isn't just a step above heavyweight boxing in terms of corruption.
     
    There is NO ONE stopping AP or any of your other favorite poker sites from systematically doing the same thing every day to you.  After now knowing what we know, anyone that could justify depositing a single dollar into any of these sites now is stupid beyond words and deserves to have their money stolen from these online thieves.
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    I'm 100% convinced that this isn't a case of a rogue employee simply going off on his own and getting what he can.  I believe that this is business as usual at AP and other online poker sites.  I believe that sites systematically use techniques like these to steal from their very trusting customers.  Its like taking candy from a baby and who was ever going to stop them?  The only way they were going to get caught was to trip up and do something as monumentally stupid as sending the full hand history with all hole cards.
     
    AP spining this as an isolated incident and that all is "back to normal" is about as believable as David Stern saying that Donaghy was an isolated incident and that the NBA isn't just a step above heavyweight boxing in terms of corruption.
     
    There is NO ONE stopping AP or any of your other favorite poker sites from systematically doing the same thing every day to you.  After now knowing what we know, anyone that could justify depositing a single dollar into any of these sites now is stupid beyond words and deserves to have their money stolen from these online thieves.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 13, 2007 - 2:20 PM ET #22

    yeah i'll never deposit online any more......
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    yeah i'll never deposit online any more......
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