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    Anybody watch the Bellagio Five Diamond World Classic? I disagree with Sexton on a hand.

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    Posted: May. 30, 2007 - 9:36 PM ET #1

    The player in first position has 87 spades and makes a standard raise. The next player with pocket 99 reraises and Negreanu calls with AK on the button as does the player in first position..
     
    There is 3 million in the pot and the flop comes QQT and is checked around. The turn is the 4 and the board is QQT4 with three hearts. The player in first postion moves all in with his last million and the pot now sits at 4 million. The next player with pocket 99 folds and Negranu has AK with the K of hearts. He talks to himself and puts the all in player on three Q's.
     
    My thinking is that Negreanu is getting 4:1 on a call and the hand has been played more like the first postion player has a small pocket pair rather than three Q's. With a flush draw I think he would lead out on this flop. Negreanu had to be thinking that his A and K could be live and certainly any J or heart would win him the pot. 18 outs gives him a 39% chance at winning the pot if the player is indeed holding a small pair. The math dectates that you should call here.
     
    That jackass Sexton starts gushing over what a great call that Negreanu has made with A high and only a true champion can make this type of call. Hell I would have called there too and I suck.
     
    The river was a 6 and Negreanu wins a large pot with A high.
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    The player in first position has 87 spades and makes a standard raise. The next player with pocket 99 reraises and Negreanu calls with AK on the button as does the player in first position..
     
    There is 3 million in the pot and the flop comes QQT and is checked around. The turn is the 4 and the board is QQT4 with three hearts. The player in first postion moves all in with his last million and the pot now sits at 4 million. The next player with pocket 99 folds and Negranu has AK with the K of hearts. He talks to himself and puts the all in player on three Q's.
     
    My thinking is that Negreanu is getting 4:1 on a call and the hand has been played more like the first postion player has a small pocket pair rather than three Q's. With a flush draw I think he would lead out on this flop. Negreanu had to be thinking that his A and K could be live and certainly any J or heart would win him the pot. 18 outs gives him a 39% chance at winning the pot if the player is indeed holding a small pair. The math dectates that you should call here.
     
    That jackass Sexton starts gushing over what a great call that Negreanu has made with A high and only a true champion can make this type of call. Hell I would have called there too and I suck.
     
    The river was a 6 and Negreanu wins a large pot with A high.
     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2007 - 11:42 PM ET #2

    agreed I'd call if I was Negreanu in that spot
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    agreed I'd call if I was Negreanu in that spot
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2007 - 12:39 AM ET #3

    Negreanu had to be thinking that his A and K could be live and certainly any J or heart would win him the pot. 18 outs gives him a 39% chance at winning the pot if the player is indeed holding a small pair.
     
    I think he had 17 outs.  But Sexton does suck up to him pretty bad.
     
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    Negreanu had to be thinking that his A and K could be live and certainly any J or heart would win him the pot. 18 outs gives him a 39% chance at winning the pot if the player is indeed holding a small pair.
     
    I think he had 17 outs.  But Sexton does suck up to him pretty bad.
     
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2007 - 3:47 AM ET #4

    If we are saying that negraneau thought the guy had an underpair then he actually would have 20 outs, 3 Aces, 3 Kings, 8 hearts, 3 jacks, and 3 10s.
     
    Ya you definitly cant fold if you are negraneau, 4-1 pot odds a lone, the guy was left with just a million chips and if he had hit anything on the flop then he very likely would have just pushed the rest in on that flop. Negraneau could have easily just figured the guy had something like AJ and that maybe he was good but still had a good amount of outs in case he was wrong.
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    If we are saying that negraneau thought the guy had an underpair then he actually would have 20 outs, 3 Aces, 3 Kings, 8 hearts, 3 jacks, and 3 10s.
     
    Ya you definitly cant fold if you are negraneau, 4-1 pot odds a lone, the guy was left with just a million chips and if he had hit anything on the flop then he very likely would have just pushed the rest in on that flop. Negraneau could have easily just figured the guy had something like AJ and that maybe he was good but still had a good amount of outs in case he was wrong.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2007 - 10:20 AM ET #5

    well, I was refering to if Negraneau need to hit his flush, straight, or overcards to win.  Negraneau probably put him on a 10.
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    well, I was refering to if Negraneau need to hit his flush, straight, or overcards to win.  Negraneau probably put him on a 10.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2007 - 10:38 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelKurtz:

    well, I was refering to if Negraneau need to hit his flush, straight, or overcards to win.  Negraneau probably put him on a 10.
     
    Personally, I don't think Negraneau absolutely put him on a Q....he was just talking about it IMO to try and get a read on him.  He does that a lot:  "You probably have ______."  Or, "you could have _____."
     
    I think he he throws a lot of those things out there and looks for your reaction.  So a Q was just one of the the things he was considering at that point. 
     
    But overall, I agee that it wasn't the greatest call in the history of poker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelKurtz:

    well, I was refering to if Negraneau need to hit his flush, straight, or overcards to win.  Negraneau probably put him on a 10.
     
    Personally, I don't think Negraneau absolutely put him on a Q....he was just talking about it IMO to try and get a read on him.  He does that a lot:  "You probably have ______."  Or, "you could have _____."
     
    I think he he throws a lot of those things out there and looks for your reaction.  So a Q was just one of the the things he was considering at that point. 
     
    But overall, I agee that it wasn't the greatest call in the history of poker.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2007 - 10:46 AM ET #7

    this is a better call
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    this is a better call
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2007 - 3:20 PM ET #8

    Worst bad beat in WPT? 
     
    I can't even count how many times I've been whacked by a person with a 3 outer.  And I'm not the only one.
     
    How 'bout Hachem with that 1-outer last night?
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    Worst bad beat in WPT? 
     
    I can't even count how many times I've been whacked by a person with a 3 outer.  And I'm not the only one.
     
    How 'bout Hachem with that 1-outer last night?
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2007 - 3:24 PM ET #9

    How about....the guy who got runner 7s for quads?
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    How about....the guy who got runner 7s for quads?
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2007 - 3:36 PM ET #10

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=xYB_WtOO2q4 , not in english but doesnt realy matter
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    https://youtube.com/watch?v=xYB_WtOO2q4 , not in english but doesnt realy matter
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2007 - 4:17 PM ET #11

    Negreanu ended up hitting his flush on the river with a 6h.
     
     
    Great show last night
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    Negreanu ended up hitting his flush on the river with a 6h.
     
     
    Great show last night
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by longball:

    Negreanu ended up hitting his flush on the river with a 6h.
     
     
    Great show last night
     
    No I'm pretty sure it was a black six and he won with ace high. Regardless he was ahead when he called, because the other guy had eight high. My point is that this should have been a standard call and not the greatest call ever. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by longball:

    Negreanu ended up hitting his flush on the river with a 6h.
     
     
    Great show last night
     
    No I'm pretty sure it was a black six and he won with ace high. Regardless he was ahead when he called, because the other guy had eight high. My point is that this should have been a standard call and not the greatest call ever. 
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2007 - 6:48 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelKurtz:

    this is a better call
     
    The greatest call I have ever seen was last week at Turtle Lake when a guy called my river bluff of $76 into a $100 pot on a board of AKQT9 with four diamonds with Q6o and no diamond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelKurtz:

    this is a better call
     
    The greatest call I have ever seen was last week at Turtle Lake when a guy called my river bluff of $76 into a $100 pot on a board of AKQT9 with four diamonds with Q6o and no diamond.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmut:

     
    The greatest call I have ever seen was last week at Turtle Lake when a guy called my river bluff of $76 into a $100 pot on a board of AKQT9 with four diamonds with Q6o and no diamond.
     
    once, I was playing 4/8 while waiting for a N/L seat. 
     
    I raise on the BB with 22 and one guy calls. 
     
    flop is KQ5.  I bet, he calls
    turn is a Q.  I bet, he calls
    river is a K.  I bet, he calls
     
    board is KKQQ5.  He turns over 66 and wins the pot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmut:

     
    The greatest call I have ever seen was last week at Turtle Lake when a guy called my river bluff of $76 into a $100 pot on a board of AKQT9 with four diamonds with Q6o and no diamond.
     
    once, I was playing 4/8 while waiting for a N/L seat. 
     
    I raise on the BB with 22 and one guy calls. 
     
    flop is KQ5.  I bet, he calls
    turn is a Q.  I bet, he calls
    river is a K.  I bet, he calls
     
    board is KKQQ5.  He turns over 66 and wins the pot
     
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    Helmut- he had a ton of outs. Daniel put the other guy on a queen, so he figured any heart or a Jack to win. He was 93% to win- in reality his outs were any Ace, King, any heart, Jack-or more simply no 7 or 8- but it could be the 7 or 8 of hearts The river was a 6 of hearts for the winning flush! (But even if it was the 6 of diamonds, clubs, or spades it wouldn't have mattered)
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    Helmut- he had a ton of outs. Daniel put the other guy on a queen, so he figured any heart or a Jack to win. He was 93% to win- in reality his outs were any Ace, King, any heart, Jack-or more simply no 7 or 8- but it could be the 7 or 8 of hearts The river was a 6 of hearts for the winning flush! (But even if it was the 6 of diamonds, clubs, or spades it wouldn't have mattered)
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2007 - 12:04 AM ET #16

    I thought he didn't have the flush, but just "ace high"
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    I thought he didn't have the flush, but just "ace high"
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2007 - 12:17 AM ET #17

    i just watched this and he won with the flush....
     
    he called with just ace high but did end up hitting the flush....
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    i just watched this and he won with the flush....
     
    he called with just ace high but did end up hitting the flush....
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2007 - 1:16 AM ET #18

    ok, thought I read that he had ace high, but maybe it was that he called all in with ace high with 2 queens on the board.
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    ok, thought I read that he had ace high, but maybe it was that he called all in with ace high with 2 queens on the board.
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