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    brain teaser see if you can get this holdem problem

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    professorkopak
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2008 - 12:32 PM ET #1

     You are dealt the 2- 7 off suit in a 9 player game.

    You are allowed to put any cards in any of the other 8 hands. Both hold cards must be higher than your 7. Thus you might give player A an 8-9 ,player B a 10- J  and so forth.

     Also you  select any 3 cards on the flop but are only allowed to put up  1 deuce and no 7's . The last 2 cards come up at random.

      The board is only allowed 1 pair.

     Set up hands in this 9 player game that will allow you to win the whole pot.

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

     You are dealt the 2- 7 off suit in a 9 player game.

    You are allowed to put any cards in any of the other 8 hands. Both hold cards must be higher than your 7. Thus you might give player A an 8-9 ,player B a 10- J  and so forth.

     Also you  select any 3 cards on the flop but are only allowed to put up  1 deuce and no 7's . The last 2 cards come up at random.

      The board is only allowed 1 pair.

     Set up hands in this 9 player game that will allow you to win the whole pot.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2008 - 3:58 PM ET #2

    Just give everyone else a pocket pair and don't give anyone an Ace.  Flop comes 2-3-4 turn comes 5 and river comes 6 giving you a straight and everyones pocket pair loses. ex.
     
    You: 7-2
    B: 8-9
    C: 8-8
    D: 9-9
    E: 10-10
    F: J-J
    G: Q-Q
    H: Q-Q
    I: K-K
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    Just give everyone else a pocket pair and don't give anyone an Ace.  Flop comes 2-3-4 turn comes 5 and river comes 6 giving you a straight and everyones pocket pair loses. ex.
     
    You: 7-2
    B: 8-9
    C: 8-8
    D: 9-9
    E: 10-10
    F: J-J
    G: Q-Q
    H: Q-Q
    I: K-K
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2008 - 4:09 PM ET #3

    there are plenty of ways to do this. You could get 2 pair, as you didn't say a 7 couldn't come on the turn or the river. Also, 4 players could have AK, and the other 4 could have QJ, and they all could have missed the board entirely. You may say this is far off, but I have seen 4 players with the same hand, AQ, and they all flopped a straight, and the betting was capped on every street.
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    there are plenty of ways to do this. You could get 2 pair, as you didn't say a 7 couldn't come on the turn or the river. Also, 4 players could have AK, and the other 4 could have QJ, and they all could have missed the board entirely. You may say this is far off, but I have seen 4 players with the same hand, AQ, and they all flopped a straight, and the betting was capped on every street.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2008 - 5:35 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre01:

    Just give everyone else a pocket pair and don't give anyone an Ace.  Flop comes 2-3-4 turn comes 5 and river comes 6 giving you a straight and everyones pocket pair loses. ex.
     
    You: 7-2
    B: 8-9
    C: 8-8
    D: 9-9
    E: 10-10
    F: J-J
    G: Q-Q
    H: Q-Q
    I: K-K
    The idea is to be able to get the whole pot every time so it is impossible for anybody to beat or tie you after the flop. Remember the fourth and five card are turned at random. In your case an A-thru 5 straight is still possible and you must split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre01:

    Just give everyone else a pocket pair and don't give anyone an Ace.  Flop comes 2-3-4 turn comes 5 and river comes 6 giving you a straight and everyones pocket pair loses. ex.
     
    You: 7-2
    B: 8-9
    C: 8-8
    D: 9-9
    E: 10-10
    F: J-J
    G: Q-Q
    H: Q-Q
    I: K-K
    The idea is to be able to get the whole pot every time so it is impossible for anybody to beat or tie you after the flop. Remember the fourth and five card are turned at random. In your case an A-thru 5 straight is still possible and you must split.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 6:54 PM ET #5

    I know I posted this in the other forum, but I was not sure which one you plan to post in... 

    I notice you did not put the stipulation in this forum that a card on the flop, turn or river could pair with any hole card in another player's hand....


    Here is my solution and explanation.... looking forward to the correct solution...

    Since you must deal 16 cards to the other 8 players.  Those 16 cards must be made of 4 quads.  You can choose any 4 sets of quads (other than deuces and sevens since you have one of each) but they MUST be dealt in such a way that no player has either a pair or a suited hand.  For example, let's deal everyone all the aces, kings, queens and jacks (We will make them think they all have the best hand, so they can go all in) 


    Players cards might look like this
    (AsKh, AdQh, AcJs, KcQd, KdJc, QsJh, AhQc, KsJd)

    Doing this eliminates the possibility of the last two random cards matching one (or more) hole cards of one (or more) of the other players - i.e. there are no pairs, trips or quads.  If you eliminate trips, you eliminate the full house as well.

     
    The flop will go something like 2-3-4 offsuited (since you are allowed to give yourself a deuce here). 

    This does two things: 1) eliminates the possibility of a high end straight draw by the other players (no A-K-Q-J-T or K-Q-J-T-9 or Q-J-T-9-8), and 2) eliminates the possibility of a flush draw, since  the other players will never have more than two cards of the same suit after the flop. 

    Now flip over any two remaining cards at random. 

    Three possibilities will happen.

    1)  If the cards come up 5-6, everyone has a straight, but your 7-high straight is higher, than everyone else's 6-high straight.  Result...

    2)  If the cards come up paired, there are four scenarios...

       a)  If they come up dueces, you get quads...
       b)  If they come up sevens, you get a boat...
       c)  If they match one of the other two cards on the flop, you get a boat...
       d)  If they do not match one of the other two cards on the flop, you get at most two pair to everyone else's pair. 

    In any situation, result... 

    3)  If the cards come up unpaired (suited or not), other than 5-6, you always have at least a pair (trips if one is a deuce) and everyone else's crap hand, A-high, K-high, etc.  Result...


    You still leave yourself the possibility of a full boat, quad deuces or even a straight or flush draw.

    How's that for a solution???  Did I understand it correctly to get it right??? 
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    I know I posted this in the other forum, but I was not sure which one you plan to post in... 

    I notice you did not put the stipulation in this forum that a card on the flop, turn or river could pair with any hole card in another player's hand....


    Here is my solution and explanation.... looking forward to the correct solution...

    Since you must deal 16 cards to the other 8 players.  Those 16 cards must be made of 4 quads.  You can choose any 4 sets of quads (other than deuces and sevens since you have one of each) but they MUST be dealt in such a way that no player has either a pair or a suited hand.  For example, let's deal everyone all the aces, kings, queens and jacks (We will make them think they all have the best hand, so they can go all in) 


    Players cards might look like this
    (AsKh, AdQh, AcJs, KcQd, KdJc, QsJh, AhQc, KsJd)

    Doing this eliminates the possibility of the last two random cards matching one (or more) hole cards of one (or more) of the other players - i.e. there are no pairs, trips or quads.  If you eliminate trips, you eliminate the full house as well.

     
    The flop will go something like 2-3-4 offsuited (since you are allowed to give yourself a deuce here). 

    This does two things: 1) eliminates the possibility of a high end straight draw by the other players (no A-K-Q-J-T or K-Q-J-T-9 or Q-J-T-9-8), and 2) eliminates the possibility of a flush draw, since  the other players will never have more than two cards of the same suit after the flop. 

    Now flip over any two remaining cards at random. 

    Three possibilities will happen.

    1)  If the cards come up 5-6, everyone has a straight, but your 7-high straight is higher, than everyone else's 6-high straight.  Result...

    2)  If the cards come up paired, there are four scenarios...

       a)  If they come up dueces, you get quads...
       b)  If they come up sevens, you get a boat...
       c)  If they match one of the other two cards on the flop, you get a boat...
       d)  If they do not match one of the other two cards on the flop, you get at most two pair to everyone else's pair. 

    In any situation, result... 

    3)  If the cards come up unpaired (suited or not), other than 5-6, you always have at least a pair (trips if one is a deuce) and everyone else's crap hand, A-high, K-high, etc.  Result...


    You still leave yourself the possibility of a full boat, quad deuces or even a straight or flush draw.

    How's that for a solution???  Did I understand it correctly to get it right??? 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2008 - 2:36 AM ET #6

    well 4 of the players could have JT, and then the other 4 players have KQ. None of these guys can make a pair, as all of their cards are in each others' hands. They can't make any straights, because you can make the flop, 2, 4, 6  or whatever. You don't give any player an ace, because they could make a straight by the river (the flop has to have 3 cards lower than a 7, because if you put an 8 or 9 out there, there is a runner-runner straight possibility) In this scenario, there is no way for anyone to win the pot other than the 2,7.
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    well 4 of the players could have JT, and then the other 4 players have KQ. None of these guys can make a pair, as all of their cards are in each others' hands. They can't make any straights, because you can make the flop, 2, 4, 6  or whatever. You don't give any player an ace, because they could make a straight by the river (the flop has to have 3 cards lower than a 7, because if you put an 8 or 9 out there, there is a runner-runner straight possibility) In this scenario, there is no way for anyone to win the pot other than the 2,7.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2008 - 7:39 AM ET #7

    kangy has it almost right and the godfather makes a valid point...but the way to guarantee a win everytime is to select 2-5-6 rainbow flop.  That eliminates any chance of a flush and cancels out any wheel draw with an opponents ace (i.e. turn and river come 3, 4, you still have top straight with the 7 and no other combination of cards can come to beat you or cause a split pot.)
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    kangy has it almost right and the godfather makes a valid point...but the way to guarantee a win everytime is to select 2-5-6 rainbow flop.  That eliminates any chance of a flush and cancels out any wheel draw with an opponents ace (i.e. turn and river come 3, 4, you still have top straight with the 7 and no other combination of cards can come to beat you or cause a split pot.)
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2008 - 5:05 PM ET #8

    Where's the professor? 
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    Where's the professor? 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2008 - 11:22 PM ET #11

                I did not read any responses on purpose
      Here were the terms. I did not originally do a good job of posting this.
     You are dealt a deuce seven off suit in a 9 player game. The object is to win the hand guaranteed on the flop with just a matching  deuce .
      You are allowed to set up the other 8 hands and also you set up the flop but not the last two cards.You are allowed to flop only 1 deuce and no sevens. Also two pair can not come up on the 5 cards turned, only one pair or three of a kind is allowed.
       There are 9 players and you are to give each player a hand most would call on the pre- flop .
      Object is to set up the hands and the flop that guarantees a win.
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                     Deal each of the first 4 players ace jack off suit
                     The other 4 deal them Queen king off suit
     They can never hit any of their hold cards . They have all been used. They can only win with a flush or straight at this point. You now pick the 3 cards you want on the flop but not the last two which are random cards.  Of course you pick your deuce along with the six and 10 off suit. This and only this flop eliminates all flush and or straight hands!  A  3, 4 or 5 with the deuce gives straight opportunities as does an 8 and 9 with the ten.
    Since 2 pair can not come up you always win. (sixes and tens beat you) The two remaining random cards are always winners for you.
                       Sorry about original description
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                I did not read any responses on purpose
      Here were the terms. I did not originally do a good job of posting this.
     You are dealt a deuce seven off suit in a 9 player game. The object is to win the hand guaranteed on the flop with just a matching  deuce .
      You are allowed to set up the other 8 hands and also you set up the flop but not the last two cards.You are allowed to flop only 1 deuce and no sevens. Also two pair can not come up on the 5 cards turned, only one pair or three of a kind is allowed.
       There are 9 players and you are to give each player a hand most would call on the pre- flop .
      Object is to set up the hands and the flop that guarantees a win.
                                           Answer
                     Deal each of the first 4 players ace jack off suit
                     The other 4 deal them Queen king off suit
     They can never hit any of their hold cards . They have all been used. They can only win with a flush or straight at this point. You now pick the 3 cards you want on the flop but not the last two which are random cards.  Of course you pick your deuce along with the six and 10 off suit. This and only this flop eliminates all flush and or straight hands!  A  3, 4 or 5 with the deuce gives straight opportunities as does an 8 and 9 with the ten.
    Since 2 pair can not come up you always win. (sixes and tens beat you) The two remaining random cards are always winners for you.
                       Sorry about original description
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2008 - 9:19 PM ET #13

     I did not read the posts. Here is the answer. Farmer Green gives them one cow. That makes 18. The oldest gets 1/2 the cows or 9, the middle son gets 1/3 or 6 cows, the youngest gets 1/9 or 2 cows. That is 9+6+2=17. Farmer Green then gets his cow back.
      The bad news is the lawyer and the government  got all of them within the week though.
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     I did not read the posts. Here is the answer. Farmer Green gives them one cow. That makes 18. The oldest gets 1/2 the cows or 9, the middle son gets 1/3 or 6 cows, the youngest gets 1/9 or 2 cows. That is 9+6+2=17. Farmer Green then gets his cow back.
      The bad news is the lawyer and the government  got all of them within the week though.
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2008 - 9:27 PM ET #14

    Just answered the wrong posting. Sorry. This is the answer to the Farmer Brown problem.
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    Just answered the wrong posting. Sorry. This is the answer to the Farmer Brown problem.
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