I get aces and am not under the gun but next position. I limp because it is an aggressive table and hope to reraise or smooth call a big raise preflop. Small game in this small city where I temporarily reside. 1-2 blinds. Lots of caller and big blind bets 22 dollars. I smooth call. Everyone else folds. He is a tight player and has only raised with pocket pairs all night. We both have about 400 in front of us. Flop is J 10 5 rainbow. He checks and I bet 50. He goes all in. What do you do??? I will tell you what I did tomorrow night.
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I get aces and am not under the gun but next position. I limp because it is an aggressive table and hope to reraise or smooth call a big raise preflop. Small game in this small city where I temporarily reside. 1-2 blinds. Lots of caller and big blind bets 22 dollars. I smooth call. Everyone else folds. He is a tight player and has only raised with pocket pairs all night. We both have about 400 in front of us. Flop is J 10 5 rainbow. He checks and I bet 50. He goes all in. What do you do??? I will tell you what I did tomorrow night.
he either has KJ,QJ,AJ,J 10 ,QQ KK of those hands you can beat every hand except J 10 and the way you said he raises its more likely he has QQ or KK .I also doubt he has trips because with a rainbow flop why would he be in a big hurry to go all in.
my answer is to call his all in take your chances
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i call
he either has KJ,QJ,AJ,J 10 ,QQ KK of those hands you can beat every hand except J 10 and the way you said he raises its more likely he has QQ or KK .I also doubt he has trips because with a rainbow flop why would he be in a big hurry to go all in.
im sure ill get critiscm for saying it but its how i feel, that was a terrible way to play aces, u pretty much went against ur plan of call/raising with ur aces from an early position. I dont really understand the table very well but lets say its a full table, 9 players, but i dont think it is, but thats beside the point, that would be 18 in the pot, assuming every single person limped which i also dont think happened, so for practical purposes lests say that its 6 handed and 4 limpers so thats an $8 pot and he raises to 22 so he obviously has a big hand in which case i see no reason to just call there because he either has a big hand also or he is bluffing and u wont get anything from him anyway. So what id do here is reraise him to like 75 and at this point if he has a big pp and is a tight player i think he would just call, if hes bluffing then hed just fold, im guessing, then that flop comes he checks, u bet, he either raises which makes for an easy fold b/c he pretty much has to have jj or he folds and u win the medium/small pot.
That is just how i wouldve played it out, but based off of how u played it, i wouldve folded. Idk why people are still under the misconception that because u push all in u r weak, i guess id take a lot of the players here to school because when i check raise u there, i have jj probably, idk why id raise into a pot that everyone limped into from the bb but, thats besides the point.
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im sure ill get critiscm for saying it but its how i feel, that was a terrible way to play aces, u pretty much went against ur plan of call/raising with ur aces from an early position. I dont really understand the table very well but lets say its a full table, 9 players, but i dont think it is, but thats beside the point, that would be 18 in the pot, assuming every single person limped which i also dont think happened, so for practical purposes lests say that its 6 handed and 4 limpers so thats an $8 pot and he raises to 22 so he obviously has a big hand in which case i see no reason to just call there because he either has a big hand also or he is bluffing and u wont get anything from him anyway. So what id do here is reraise him to like 75 and at this point if he has a big pp and is a tight player i think he would just call, if hes bluffing then hed just fold, im guessing, then that flop comes he checks, u bet, he either raises which makes for an easy fold b/c he pretty much has to have jj or he folds and u win the medium/small pot.
That is just how i wouldve played it out, but based off of how u played it, i wouldve folded. Idk why people are still under the misconception that because u push all in u r weak, i guess id take a lot of the players here to school because when i check raise u there, i have jj probably, idk why id raise into a pot that everyone limped into from the bb but, thats besides the point.
im sure ill get critiscm for saying it but its how i feel, that was a terrible way to play aces, u pretty much went against ur plan of call/raising with ur aces from an early position. I dont really understand the table very well but lets say its a full table, 9 players, but i dont think it is, but thats beside the point, that would be 18 in the pot, assuming every single person limped which i also dont think happened, so for practical purposes lests say that its 6 handed and 4 limpers so thats an $8 pot and he raises to 22 so he obviously has a big hand in which case i see no reason to just call there because he either has a big hand also or he is bluffing and u wont get anything from him anyway. So what id do here is reraise him to like 75 and at this point if he has a big pp and is a tight player i think he would just call, if hes bluffing then hed just fold, im guessing, then that flop comes he checks, u bet, he either raises which makes for an easy fold b/c he pretty much has to have jj or he folds and u win the medium/small pot.
That is just how i wouldve played it out, but based off of how u played it, i wouldve folded. Idk why people are still under the misconception that because u push all in u r weak, i guess id take a lot of the players here to school because when i check raise u there, i have jj probably, idk why id raise into a pot that everyone limped into from the bb but, thats besides the point.
what the heck are you talking about after a raise re- raise, re-raise , re-raise who in their right mind would think the guy that pushed all in was weak? that makes no sense at all
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Quote Originally Posted by spoondiggidy9:
im sure ill get critiscm for saying it but its how i feel, that was a terrible way to play aces, u pretty much went against ur plan of call/raising with ur aces from an early position. I dont really understand the table very well but lets say its a full table, 9 players, but i dont think it is, but thats beside the point, that would be 18 in the pot, assuming every single person limped which i also dont think happened, so for practical purposes lests say that its 6 handed and 4 limpers so thats an $8 pot and he raises to 22 so he obviously has a big hand in which case i see no reason to just call there because he either has a big hand also or he is bluffing and u wont get anything from him anyway. So what id do here is reraise him to like 75 and at this point if he has a big pp and is a tight player i think he would just call, if hes bluffing then hed just fold, im guessing, then that flop comes he checks, u bet, he either raises which makes for an easy fold b/c he pretty much has to have jj or he folds and u win the medium/small pot.
That is just how i wouldve played it out, but based off of how u played it, i wouldve folded. Idk why people are still under the misconception that because u push all in u r weak, i guess id take a lot of the players here to school because when i check raise u there, i have jj probably, idk why id raise into a pot that everyone limped into from the bb but, thats besides the point.
what the heck are you talking about after a raise re- raise, re-raise , re-raise who in their right mind would think the guy that pushed all in was weak? that makes no sense at all
I definitely would have re-raised him preflop about $60 because you said he has only raised with pocket pairs. By playing the way you did you gave him a chance to flop trips. Has he been raising like this with medium pocket pairs? If so, trips are possible even though I would not have went all-in at that time but if he put you on AA-QQ he did not want to give you a chance to hit trips. Depends on what your table image has been but as played I would probably fold.
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I definitely would have re-raised him preflop about $60 because you said he has only raised with pocket pairs. By playing the way you did you gave him a chance to flop trips. Has he been raising like this with medium pocket pairs? If so, trips are possible even though I would not have went all-in at that time but if he put you on AA-QQ he did not want to give you a chance to hit trips. Depends on what your table image has been but as played I would probably fold.
i agree with spoon. you limped with the intention of raising and didn't do it. now you're in a difficult position. he either has a set or an over pair to the flop. That being said, I would fold.
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i agree with spoon. you limped with the intention of raising and didn't do it. now you're in a difficult position. he either has a set or an over pair to the flop. That being said, I would fold.
I am one of the tightest players at the table. if I raise him to 75 I lose him. If I make it 60, he likely calls but knows I have aces or kings and gives me no further action if he does not hit trips on the flop. So essentially, I am in a similar situation if he calls the flop and goes all in except, given that he would have called my preflop bet with a strong pocket pair, I might have folded putting him on a set given the pot size with a 60 dollar raise preflop. I normally make the 60 reraise preflop because I get cracked so much, but it turns out the way I played it was perfect because he put me on AJ he said and that is why he went all in. I put him on queens or jacks preflop and when he pushed, I had a hard time believing he had trips because he knows I am tight and would fold even aces there. I forgot to say the board had two hearts which presents a different scenario because if he did have trips he might have pushed to get me out.
He had queens and I called. Aces held up. Big pot which I would not have won if I reraised preflop
Thanks for the opinions guys
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Good posts guys!!!!!!!!!!
Well here is a couple of answers.
I am one of the tightest players at the table. if I raise him to 75 I lose him. If I make it 60, he likely calls but knows I have aces or kings and gives me no further action if he does not hit trips on the flop. So essentially, I am in a similar situation if he calls the flop and goes all in except, given that he would have called my preflop bet with a strong pocket pair, I might have folded putting him on a set given the pot size with a 60 dollar raise preflop. I normally make the 60 reraise preflop because I get cracked so much, but it turns out the way I played it was perfect because he put me on AJ he said and that is why he went all in. I put him on queens or jacks preflop and when he pushed, I had a hard time believing he had trips because he knows I am tight and would fold even aces there. I forgot to say the board had two hearts which presents a different scenario because if he did have trips he might have pushed to get me out.
He had queens and I called. Aces held up. Big pot which I would not have won if I reraised preflop
he either has KJ,QJ,AJ,J 10 ,QQ KK of those hands you can beat every hand except J 10 and the way you said he raises its more likely he has QQ or KK .I also doubt he has trips because with a rainbow flop why would he be in a big hurry to go all in.
my answer is to call his all in take your chances
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Quote Originally Posted by bobforme:
i call
he either has KJ,QJ,AJ,J 10 ,QQ KK of those hands you can beat every hand except J 10 and the way you said he raises its more likely he has QQ or KK .I also doubt he has trips because with a rainbow flop why would he be in a big hurry to go all in.
Agreed with your first post as well. If I flop trips, I'm not check raising all in on the flop in that situation. It's too strong of a hand. You make him pay to beat you, but you're object if you have trips heads up is to get his money in the pot (especially if you have top set), not chase him away. You make him make the wrong play by calling, but you don't try to make it as unattractive as you can to call.
10-J is the only had that would scare me to be honest....and with that, an overbet would make more sense cuz it's a vulnerable hand to an over-pair. If he's on a draw, he's a dog and I could care less....my money is going in the pot.
BTW, at certain games, this is precisely the reason I'll over-bet the pot with trips heads up on occassion. It can often disguise the strength of your hand....especially if others at the table pay attention to betting patterns.
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bob-
Agreed with your first post as well. If I flop trips, I'm not check raising all in on the flop in that situation. It's too strong of a hand. You make him pay to beat you, but you're object if you have trips heads up is to get his money in the pot (especially if you have top set), not chase him away. You make him make the wrong play by calling, but you don't try to make it as unattractive as you can to call.
10-J is the only had that would scare me to be honest....and with that, an overbet would make more sense cuz it's a vulnerable hand to an over-pair. If he's on a draw, he's a dog and I could care less....my money is going in the pot.
BTW, at certain games, this is precisely the reason I'll over-bet the pot with trips heads up on occassion. It can often disguise the strength of your hand....especially if others at the table pay attention to betting patterns.
I am one of the tightest players at the table. if I raise him to 75 I lose him. If I make it 60, he likely calls but knows I have aces or kings and gives me no further action if he does not hit trips on the flop. So essentially, I am in a similar situation if he calls the flop and goes all in except, given that he would have called my preflop bet with a strong pocket pair, I might have folded putting him on a set given the pot size with a 60 dollar raise preflop. I normally make the 60 reraise preflop because I get cracked so much, but it turns out the way I played it was perfect because he put me on AJ he said and that is why he went all in. I put him on queens or jacks preflop and when he pushed, I had a hard time believing he had trips because he knows I am tight and would fold even aces there. I forgot to say the board had two hearts which presents a different scenario because if he did have trips he might have pushed to get me out.
He had queens and I called. Aces held up. Big pot which I would not have won if I reraised preflop
Thanks for the opinions guys
That makes absolutely no sense, "He knows [you are] a tight player and would fold even aces there" If you are saying that he thinks that you play so tight that you would fold aces there, then why would he push all in if he thought u had aj when he wants a call from u?
Also if you had raised it to 75 or 60 preflop, i wouldve still called u with queens there, just because its pretty easy to pinpoint you on a hand range but if i call u have no idea what i have, could be anything and because i know you are a tight player then it would make it all the easier to get a hand range. Anyway, if you had done this im pretty sure he wouldve called, and when all under cards flop if the flop comes and u check behind him, i dont know why he wouldnt bet the turn, just to see where he is at with all under cards out there and then if you just call, also keep in mind with an aprox 150-130 pot a value bet would be like 80, if you just call then he will probably bet again or at worst check call, it will probably win u less money, and i know this sounds stupid but i just think that is a smarter way to play aces than making that risky call on the flop, especially when people are so fond of j10 and those two cards hit.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Insight:
Good posts guys!!!!!!!!!!
Well here is a couple of answers.
I am one of the tightest players at the table. if I raise him to 75 I lose him. If I make it 60, he likely calls but knows I have aces or kings and gives me no further action if he does not hit trips on the flop. So essentially, I am in a similar situation if he calls the flop and goes all in except, given that he would have called my preflop bet with a strong pocket pair, I might have folded putting him on a set given the pot size with a 60 dollar raise preflop. I normally make the 60 reraise preflop because I get cracked so much, but it turns out the way I played it was perfect because he put me on AJ he said and that is why he went all in. I put him on queens or jacks preflop and when he pushed, I had a hard time believing he had trips because he knows I am tight and would fold even aces there. I forgot to say the board had two hearts which presents a different scenario because if he did have trips he might have pushed to get me out.
He had queens and I called. Aces held up. Big pot which I would not have won if I reraised preflop
Thanks for the opinions guys
That makes absolutely no sense, "He knows [you are] a tight player and would fold even aces there" If you are saying that he thinks that you play so tight that you would fold aces there, then why would he push all in if he thought u had aj when he wants a call from u?
Also if you had raised it to 75 or 60 preflop, i wouldve still called u with queens there, just because its pretty easy to pinpoint you on a hand range but if i call u have no idea what i have, could be anything and because i know you are a tight player then it would make it all the easier to get a hand range. Anyway, if you had done this im pretty sure he wouldve called, and when all under cards flop if the flop comes and u check behind him, i dont know why he wouldnt bet the turn, just to see where he is at with all under cards out there and then if you just call, also keep in mind with an aprox 150-130 pot a value bet would be like 80, if you just call then he will probably bet again or at worst check call, it will probably win u less money, and i know this sounds stupid but i just think that is a smarter way to play aces than making that risky call on the flop, especially when people are so fond of j10 and those two cards hit.
You limp hoping for action you get it, then you don't reraise with AA? I would reraise there. Loosen up a bit and start stealing those blinds otherwise you wont get any action when you do hit those hands and therefore feel the need to slow play aces.
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You limp hoping for action you get it, then you don't reraise with AA? I would reraise there. Loosen up a bit and start stealing those blinds otherwise you wont get any action when you do hit those hands and therefore feel the need to slow play aces.
You limp hoping for action you get it, then you don't reraise with AA? I would reraise there. Loosen up a bit and start stealing those blinds otherwise you wont get any action when you do hit those hands and therefore feel the need to slow play aces.
If he re-raised the guy might have called and gotten scared on the flop. Aggressive table and your first to act, I agree with insights play, plus he said his image was tight at this table. Why push when the donkey will pull?
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Quote Originally Posted by Fadeville:
You limp hoping for action you get it, then you don't reraise with AA? I would reraise there. Loosen up a bit and start stealing those blinds otherwise you wont get any action when you do hit those hands and therefore feel the need to slow play aces.
If he re-raised the guy might have called and gotten scared on the flop. Aggressive table and your first to act, I agree with insights play, plus he said his image was tight at this table. Why push when the donkey will pull?
I get aces and am not under the gun but next position. I limp because it is an aggressive table and hope to reraise or smooth call a big raise preflop. Small game in this small city where I temporarily reside. 1-2 blinds. Lots of caller and big blind bets 22 dollars. I smooth call. Everyone else folds. He is a tight player and has only raised with pocket pairs all night. We both have about 400 in front of us. Flop is J 10 5 rainbow. He checks and I bet 50. He goes all in. What do you do??? I will tell you what I did tomorrow night.
Well you gave your hand away by opening with a limp and smooth calling a big raise. So, he more than likely knows your hand and has you crushed. I put him sqaurely on JJ or 1010.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Insight:
I get aces and am not under the gun but next position. I limp because it is an aggressive table and hope to reraise or smooth call a big raise preflop. Small game in this small city where I temporarily reside. 1-2 blinds. Lots of caller and big blind bets 22 dollars. I smooth call. Everyone else folds. He is a tight player and has only raised with pocket pairs all night. We both have about 400 in front of us. Flop is J 10 5 rainbow. He checks and I bet 50. He goes all in. What do you do??? I will tell you what I did tomorrow night.
Well you gave your hand away by opening with a limp and smooth calling a big raise. So, he more than likely knows your hand and has you crushed. I put him sqaurely on JJ or 1010.
Well you gave your hand away by opening with a limp and smooth calling a big raise. So, he more than likely knows your hand and has you crushed. I put him sqaurely on JJ or 1010.
Other guy had Q-Q and the A-A held up. It's in the thread.
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Quote Originally Posted by MoreMoney:
Well you gave your hand away by opening with a limp and smooth calling a big raise. So, he more than likely knows your hand and has you crushed. I put him sqaurely on JJ or 1010.
Other guy had Q-Q and the A-A held up. It's in the thread.
The more cards I have played, the less I raise preflop. I always limp with aces or kings under the gun, always. And depending on the money in the pot usually reraise if raised before the flop. However, now I have been smooth calling people in a cash game letting people catch up. It is a cathc 22. High risk, high reward. But I have found that you get paid off more this way. Most people are shocked when they flip over top pair top kicker and you have an over pair. Isn't that what you want in a cash game. To have someone dominated yet still get calls all the way down??? Personally, I posted this because I like hearing the opinions of others and to elicit maybe other scenarios from other people about how to play hands. I am always learning and hope you are too. The comment from the Colonel was pretty rude, considering that most of his posts talk about how much money he won. I just wanted to start a discussion to get others to present different hands.
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The more cards I have played, the less I raise preflop. I always limp with aces or kings under the gun, always. And depending on the money in the pot usually reraise if raised before the flop. However, now I have been smooth calling people in a cash game letting people catch up. It is a cathc 22. High risk, high reward. But I have found that you get paid off more this way. Most people are shocked when they flip over top pair top kicker and you have an over pair. Isn't that what you want in a cash game. To have someone dominated yet still get calls all the way down??? Personally, I posted this because I like hearing the opinions of others and to elicit maybe other scenarios from other people about how to play hands. I am always learning and hope you are too. The comment from the Colonel was pretty rude, considering that most of his posts talk about how much money he won. I just wanted to start a discussion to get others to present different hands.
The more cards I have played, the less I raise preflop.
I 100% disagree with this. There is 1 thing I've read that sticks in my mind.....ALWAYS. "The pros never miss a chance to make a bet." Doesn't mean you play garbage, but I still think you have to generally make people pay to play against you when you have A-A.
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The more cards I have played, the less I raise preflop.
I 100% disagree with this. There is 1 thing I've read that sticks in my mind.....ALWAYS. "The pros never miss a chance to make a bet." Doesn't mean you play garbage, but I still think you have to generally make people pay to play against you when you have A-A.
You are playing at a weak table. If you can consistently make that play and it makes money then, i dont even know, how can no1 catch on. The only way you would get me with one of those plays would be the first time and i dont even know how succesful it would be. However, if you are serious about poker then those plays wont work.
Eventually i think you will figure out it is more profitable to be the one betting rather than slow playing or w/e. There are situations where slow playing is correct but not every single time, its too predictable.
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-Mr. Insight, this isnt a shot but its the truth:
You are playing at a weak table. If you can consistently make that play and it makes money then, i dont even know, how can no1 catch on. The only way you would get me with one of those plays would be the first time and i dont even know how succesful it would be. However, if you are serious about poker then those plays wont work.
Eventually i think you will figure out it is more profitable to be the one betting rather than slow playing or w/e. There are situations where slow playing is correct but not every single time, its too predictable.
You are playing at a weak table. If you can consistently make that play and it makes money then, i dont even know, how can no1 catch on. The only way you would get me with one of those plays would be the first time and i dont even know how succesful it would be. However, if you are serious about poker then those plays wont work.
Eventually i think you will figure out it is more profitable to be the one betting rather than slow playing or w/e. There are situations where slow playing is correct but not every single time, its too predictable.
The table was weak that night, no arguing there and yes slow playing can get me in trouble. But I have been playing cards for five years with some great players and slow playing aces from under the gun has won me so much money. I usually play 5-10 blinds. Slow play aces and get a raise to 50 and a few callers. Then I pop it to 250 preflop and take down the 150. That is why you should always, always, always slow play them under the gun. If you bet out 50 you will get the same callers and then be forced to dodge cards. if you slow play and no one raises, then you can get away from aces for only ten bucks if the flop comes say 9 10 j or 456 etc.
Appreciate the opinion though
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Quote Originally Posted by spoondiggidy9:
-Mr. Insight, this isnt a shot but its the truth:
You are playing at a weak table. If you can consistently make that play and it makes money then, i dont even know, how can no1 catch on. The only way you would get me with one of those plays would be the first time and i dont even know how succesful it would be. However, if you are serious about poker then those plays wont work.
Eventually i think you will figure out it is more profitable to be the one betting rather than slow playing or w/e. There are situations where slow playing is correct but not every single time, its too predictable.
The table was weak that night, no arguing there and yes slow playing can get me in trouble. But I have been playing cards for five years with some great players and slow playing aces from under the gun has won me so much money. I usually play 5-10 blinds. Slow play aces and get a raise to 50 and a few callers. Then I pop it to 250 preflop and take down the 150. That is why you should always, always, always slow play them under the gun. If you bet out 50 you will get the same callers and then be forced to dodge cards. if you slow play and no one raises, then you can get away from aces for only ten bucks if the flop comes say 9 10 j or 456 etc.
I had a hard time believing he had trips because he knows I am tight and would fold even aces there.
Obviously you aren't tight enough to fold aces there because you didn't. Personally, I think you misplayed this hand and put yourself in a bad position by not re-raising and in the end it turned out OK for you.
One, by re-raising maybe you do lose him but you win a $30 plus pot, not great, but not bad either. If you re-raise and he calls at least you have a good idea what you're dealing with. If you re-raise and get raised back, you simply push and be done with it. Had you re-raised pre flop you would not have faced his all in bet and the subsequent decision you had to make. You obviously would have had a big pair and he would have been an a$$ to risk his chips on the outside chance you didn't have an overpair. I think the end result is that you made a few more $$ by playing this the way you did, but I don't think it is a winning play in the long run. I'm not trying to be a smart ass and I didn't read every post on the thread, so my apologies if I misread something or repeated a comment. I just think you might want to re-evaluate your play of this hand.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Insight:
I had a hard time believing he had trips because he knows I am tight and would fold even aces there.
Obviously you aren't tight enough to fold aces there because you didn't. Personally, I think you misplayed this hand and put yourself in a bad position by not re-raising and in the end it turned out OK for you.
One, by re-raising maybe you do lose him but you win a $30 plus pot, not great, but not bad either. If you re-raise and he calls at least you have a good idea what you're dealing with. If you re-raise and get raised back, you simply push and be done with it. Had you re-raised pre flop you would not have faced his all in bet and the subsequent decision you had to make. You obviously would have had a big pair and he would have been an a$$ to risk his chips on the outside chance you didn't have an overpair. I think the end result is that you made a few more $$ by playing this the way you did, but I don't think it is a winning play in the long run. I'm not trying to be a smart ass and I didn't read every post on the thread, so my apologies if I misread something or repeated a comment. I just think you might want to re-evaluate your play of this hand.
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what the heck are you talking about after a raise re- raise, re-raise , re-raise who in their right mind would think the guy that pushed all in was weak? that makes no sense at all
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