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I watched tourney in real time on line this weekend. I taped the ESPN final and did not watch it till today.

Did anyone see what happened in the hand Montgomery went out 5th?

Long story short...

pocket sixes vs A Q

Phillips tells everyone he folded a black six..which he did.

So when ace flops  he says one out in the deck 6 diamond...

well it hits and montgomery is out.

NOW HERE COMES THE SICK PART...

Phillips to show he was not lying about the black six he mucked gets up and takes the cards from dealer and digs out of the mucked cards his black six to show everyone. YOU CAN NOT DO THAT OBVIOUSLY. He saw what everyone else mucked and that is BS.

100% for sure he gets a ten minute penalty if anyone calls him on that.

In ten minutes the four players could have just mucked hand after hand to the big blind and taken at least 3 big 3 small and 12 ante off his stack.
I don't know what blinds were at that point but I am going to check.

This was a HUGE error from the other 4 guys to let phillips walk.
I could not believe it when I saw it on TV, I rewound it 3 times to be sure
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NFLNightmares:

I watched tourney in real time on line this weekend. I taped the ESPN final and did not watch it till today.

Did anyone see what happened in the hand Montgomery went out 5th?

Long story short...

pocket sixes vs A Q

Phillips tells everyone he folded a black six..which he did.

So when ace flops  he says one out in the deck 6 diamond...

well it hits and montgomery is out.

NOW HERE COMES THE SICK PART...

Phillips to show he was not lying about the black six he mucked gets up and takes the cards from dealer and digs out of the mucked cards his black six to show everyone. YOU CAN NOT DO THAT OBVIOUSLY. He saw what everyone else mucked and that is BS.

100% for sure he gets a ten minute penalty if anyone calls him on that.

In ten minutes the four players could have just mucked hand after hand to the big blind and taken at least 3 big 3 small and 12 ante off his stack.
I don't know what blinds were at that point but I am going to check.

This was a HUGE error from the other 4 guys to let phillips walk.
I could not believe it when I saw it on TV, I rewound it 3 times to be sure

 

I agree kinda and disagree kinda. He DEFINITELY should not have been allowedto do what he did. However, he could see all the mucked cards yes, but he cant decipher whose hand was what. He could see there was , for example, an 8,10,j,k,33,5,6, and a ten but he cant tell what 2 cards belonged to each player. I think everyone mucking to steal his blinds is also "collusion" so if youre upset that Phillips got away with what he did then you should be equally  upset if the remaining 4 players "colluded" to blind off his stack.

 

With that said, I totally agree, it was a VERY strange incident

 
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Chance,

well only 5 people left, 2 are in the pot and 2 of the cards were his so he could have very easily seen who had what. 

It is collusion, but it also is not.  Just like when guys check down when someone is all in.

Like I said very few mucked cards, only playing five handed.

Even if they decided not to collude, just get his ass off the table for ten minutes. Maybe even tilt him a bit.
 
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I would hope that at that level of card playing, there would be a gentleman's agreement not to call every single foul all the time.  I mean there has got to be some kind of sportsmanship among players.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NFLNightmares:


He saw what everyone else mucked and that is BS.


Oh no!  I folded 6 2 and he saw that I did that!  My strategy is ruined!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by ParmyCharm:



Oh no!  I folded 6 2 and he saw that I did that!  My strategy is ruined!

 

pretty much.

 

You cant get mad at a guy for looking at mucked cards and then collude to blind off his stack

 
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You guys are much more gracious then I am I guess.
If I was ever playing for 10 million and 20-30 million in lifetime endorsements any error my opponent made I would attempt to take advantage of. Especially down to the final  5 as in this case.
 
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They let him dig through the muck?!?!?!?!?


What the fuck??? 


They should have shot him
 
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Quote Originally Posted by WinRaces:

They let him dig through the muck?!?!?!?!?


What the fuck??? 


They should have shot him

they just ignored it, they were all so worked up over the one out card that fell on the river a moment earlier.

I just do not see how the other guys FOUR guys let that go at the biggest moment of their lives
 
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Yea I remember watching that.. it looked kinda cheesy especially considering the stage they were on and the prestige and ur right it definitely could've been called a penalty. 
 
That being said.. Montgomery, Phillips, Suharto and Ylon made some pretty stupid all-in moves during this tournament so these aren't the most knowledgable 9 players in the world.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by gameto11:

Yea I remember watching that.. it looked kinda cheesy especially considering the stage they were on and the prestige and ur right it definitely could've been called a penalty. 
 
That being said.. Montgomery, Phillips, Suharto and Ylon made some pretty stupid all-in moves during this tournament so these aren't the most knowledgable 9 players in the world.


I agree with you some of the moves at the final few tables boggled the mind. I mean Tiffany michelle pushing with AJ after a bet and smooth call on that board?  I guess when they players are in that type of moment they get lost in it in some respects.

That being said I am surprised most people in this thread think it would have been wrong to call a foul. Five players to go 10 mil at stake and 20 -30 mil more in lifetime endorsements and you let that go?  Not me NO WAY. Rules are rules.
 
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I agree with you some of the moves at the final few tables boggled the mind. I mean Tiffany michelle pushing with AJ after a bet and smooth call on that board?  I guess when they players are in that type of moment they get lost in it in some respects.

That being said I am surprised most people in this thread think it would have been wrong to call a foul. Five players to go 10 mil at stake and 20 -30 mil more in lifetime endorsements and you let that go?  Not me NO WAY. Rules are rules.

I agree with you on some respects that rules are rules however...

tiffany michelle was WAY out of line for calling a time clock on a guy at her table late in the tournament when he had a huge decision to make.. even tho technically it was in the rules.

the only players who should be calling for penalties and stuff are players who actually know what they are doing + half of that final table do not play poker very well at all.

Players who go all-in for 8 million in chips just because they feel like they "have to make a move" or something stupid like that should not be trying to act like they know what they are doing by calling people for insignifigant violations.

just my 2 cents..

 
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Quote Originally Posted by gameto11:

I agree with you on some respects that rules are rules however...

tiffany michelle was WAY out of line for calling a time clock on a guy at her table late in the tournament when he had a huge decision to make.. even tho technically it was in the rules.

the only players who should be calling for penalties and stuff are players who actually know what they are doing + half of that final table do not play poker very well at all.

Players who go all-in for 8 million in chips just because they feel like they "have to make a move" or something stupid like that should not be trying to act like they know what they are doing by calling people for insignifigant violations.

just my 2 cents..


The violation may have been insignificant yes, but the penalty to your opponent would have been very significant. I agree 100% about the calling of the clock by Tiffany, however I still say in that spot if a guy goes through the mucked cards you call a penalty.

Also that you say 1/2 the final table did not know poker well at all I do not think is true. 1/2 were pros so we give them the benefit of the doubt. The other half had 4 months to live, sleep, read, play, and breathe poker to prepare for this once in a lifetime shot. So i think although they may have been true rookies in july, they had some knowledge and seasoning by november.


When you talk of the clock I agree totally, that is why Chris ferguson drives me crazy. If every player took 3-10 seconds to make a decision every time, like he does, poker would be unbearable
 
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What's funny is at the final table, the pressure really gets to these people, and 1 bad play usually results in elimination.  They should've shown the final table at Thanksgiving, for example while everyone in America is glued to the TV.  The hiatus seemed to accomplish nothing. 
 
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poker fans will watch regardless.. poker isn't really a "gather the family around and watch" type of event... lol.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

What's funny is at the final table, the pressure really gets to these people, and 1 bad play usually results in elimination.  They should've shown the final table at Thanksgiving, for example while everyone in America is glued to the TV.  The hiatus seemed to accomplish nothing. 


I agree the hiatus did not help.
It also hurt that no high profile players made it. 

Thanksgiving you would have had to schedule vs NFL, they could not have done that.. Games SUCKED this thanksgiving but they had no way of knowing that would be the case
 
 
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Did anyone notice that the winner hit 5 of the last 6 hands he played, on the river ?
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