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    Who played this hand worse?

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    GibsonDingsEck
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2007 - 1:19 PM ET #1

    (This was on bodog and I dont know how to copy/past the hand histories from there)

    I sit at a 1/2 table with $125, so I have no reads on anyone. 1st hand to me I get KTo. Nothing great. There are 4 (Pot total $11) limpers behind me when it gets to the button (has me covered by $40). He pops it up to $13 (Pot total $24, $11 to call). SB folds. Thinking hes sensing weakness and wants to steal the pot, I bump it up to $40 (Pot total $62). Weakness limpers scamper off, raiser calls (Pot total $89) Flop comes 4JT rainbow. Only scared of JJ/QQ here since I expect reraises with AA, and KK. Not sure why but I get an AK feeling, and push. $85 all in (Pot total $174). He calls (Pot total $259). He flips 77. No 7s.

    After the hand he lols my reraise and I lol his calls pre and post flop. My reraise may not have been exactly genius, but it had to have been smarter than his calls, right?
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    (This was on bodog and I dont know how to copy/past the hand histories from there)

    I sit at a 1/2 table with $125, so I have no reads on anyone. 1st hand to me I get KTo. Nothing great. There are 4 (Pot total $11) limpers behind me when it gets to the button (has me covered by $40). He pops it up to $13 (Pot total $24, $11 to call). SB folds. Thinking hes sensing weakness and wants to steal the pot, I bump it up to $40 (Pot total $62). Weakness limpers scamper off, raiser calls (Pot total $89) Flop comes 4JT rainbow. Only scared of JJ/QQ here since I expect reraises with AA, and KK. Not sure why but I get an AK feeling, and push. $85 all in (Pot total $174). He calls (Pot total $259). He flips 77. No 7s.

    After the hand he lols my reraise and I lol his calls pre and post flop. My reraise may not have been exactly genius, but it had to have been smarter than his calls, right?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2007 - 4:22 PM ET #2

    Pretty dangerous limp reraising to 20 x BB with KTo utg but if it works for you....... It depends what the history was between the two of you. Guess you'd call it a Harrington resqueeze. Once you hit middle pair you feel committed as there are hands you are ahead of. I don't like his call with 77 though but this is 1/2 after all.
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    Pretty dangerous limp reraising to 20 x BB with KTo utg but if it works for you....... It depends what the history was between the two of you. Guess you'd call it a Harrington resqueeze. Once you hit middle pair you feel committed as there are hands you are ahead of. I don't like his call with 77 though but this is 1/2 after all.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2007 - 2:19 AM ET #3

    Is that english?
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    Is that english?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2007 - 9:50 AM ET #4

    Hard to say who played this hand more poorly. When you go to Vegas I'd be very careful making big moves with K10o......there's a reason all the 1/2 NL games are soft.
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    Hard to say who played this hand more poorly. When you go to Vegas I'd be very careful making big moves with K10o......there's a reason all the 1/2 NL games are soft.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 4:47 PM ET #5

    you gambled and it paid off over the long run it won't but hell its nice to do every once in a while.  I hate people who call a gamble a donkey move.  Sometimes we feel the need to and thats why we do it.  Raising out of position with a junk hand is part of poker, this way if an ace flops you can play it like you have an ace holding 4-5 but at the same time if the flop comes 367 your opponent in no way puts you on a 45.   Playing junk hands out of position allows you a chance at representing one hand and holding a completely different one.
     
    THis works well in tournament play.
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    you gambled and it paid off over the long run it won't but hell its nice to do every once in a while.  I hate people who call a gamble a donkey move.  Sometimes we feel the need to and thats why we do it.  Raising out of position with a junk hand is part of poker, this way if an ace flops you can play it like you have an ace holding 4-5 but at the same time if the flop comes 367 your opponent in no way puts you on a 45.   Playing junk hands out of position allows you a chance at representing one hand and holding a completely different one.
     
    THis works well in tournament play.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 5:55 PM ET #6

    Your re-pop was a bad move because he could have been real strong regardless of his past play or position. Your all -in post flop is fine by me because you have shown strength with a re-pop pre and an all-in post flop leaving him no opportunity to re-muscle you with a re-raise post flop. Since you are all in, the only hand that he can possibly put you on that he can beat is AK thus his only play is a fold regardless of his hole cards with 2 overs on the board.
     
    You do need to be careful on plays like this and the frequency you attempt them in the future. People do take notes and play accordingly. Nice pre-flop position hands that are strong cadidates to raise with in proper position that can generate large pots are mid suited connectors that opponents raily put you on and can pay off very nice and with the position you can even steal if the flop come Kxx or something similar.
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    Your re-pop was a bad move because he could have been real strong regardless of his past play or position. Your all -in post flop is fine by me because you have shown strength with a re-pop pre and an all-in post flop leaving him no opportunity to re-muscle you with a re-raise post flop. Since you are all in, the only hand that he can possibly put you on that he can beat is AK thus his only play is a fold regardless of his hole cards with 2 overs on the board.
     
    You do need to be careful on plays like this and the frequency you attempt them in the future. People do take notes and play accordingly. Nice pre-flop position hands that are strong cadidates to raise with in proper position that can generate large pots are mid suited connectors that opponents raily put you on and can pay off very nice and with the position you can even steal if the flop come Kxx or something similar.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 18, 2007 - 12:13 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by pezeveng:

    you gambled and it paid off over the long run it won't but hell its nice to do every once in a while.  I hate people who call a gamble a donkey move.   Raising out of position with a junk hand is part of poker, .

    I never called anyone a donkey just pointing out reasons why the 1/2 NL games in Vegas are very soft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pezeveng:

    you gambled and it paid off over the long run it won't but hell its nice to do every once in a while.  I hate people who call a gamble a donkey move.   Raising out of position with a junk hand is part of poker, .

    I never called anyone a donkey just pointing out reasons why the 1/2 NL games in Vegas are very soft.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2007 - 11:22 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by pezeveng:

    you gambled and it paid off over the long run it won't but hell its nice to do every once in a while.  I hate people who call a gamble a donkey move.  Sometimes we feel the need to and thats why we do it.  Raising out of position with a junk hand is part of poker, this way if an ace flops you can play it like you have an ace holding 4-5 but at the same time if the flop comes 367 your opponent in no way puts you on a 45.   Playing junk hands out of position allows you a chance at representing one hand and holding a completely different one.
     
    THis works well in tournament play.


    Playing junk hands OOP is simply not a smart way to play poker. It puts you into far too many awkward spots, and is generally going to be -ev.


    OP: Fold preflop without a read. Unless you plan on creating a reckless image and reloading later. This is probably unnecessary at 1/2nl though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pezeveng:

    you gambled and it paid off over the long run it won't but hell its nice to do every once in a while.  I hate people who call a gamble a donkey move.  Sometimes we feel the need to and thats why we do it.  Raising out of position with a junk hand is part of poker, this way if an ace flops you can play it like you have an ace holding 4-5 but at the same time if the flop comes 367 your opponent in no way puts you on a 45.   Playing junk hands out of position allows you a chance at representing one hand and holding a completely different one.
     
    THis works well in tournament play.


    Playing junk hands OOP is simply not a smart way to play poker. It puts you into far too many awkward spots, and is generally going to be -ev.


    OP: Fold preflop without a read. Unless you plan on creating a reckless image and reloading later. This is probably unnecessary at 1/2nl though.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 4, 2007 - 9:42 PM ET #9

    Your re raising someone who you have no read on with K10 os?
     
    You played the hand bad.  You should have just laid it down after the raise.
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    Your re raising someone who you have no read on with K10 os?
     
    You played the hand bad.  You should have just laid it down after the raise.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2007 - 5:23 PM ET #10

    You played it poorly by re-raising (in my experience, when someone raises like that after a bunch of limpers, they usually have SOMETHING) pre-flop.  Once the flop hit, you were sorty of committed to playing the hand (when you got a piece).  It's not likely he has J-J since there was a J on the flop.  So Q's could hurt you (which you knew, but you were pretty committed).  His call after you shoved was a joke as well if you ask me.....probably just out of frustration. 
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    You played it poorly by re-raising (in my experience, when someone raises like that after a bunch of limpers, they usually have SOMETHING) pre-flop.  Once the flop hit, you were sorty of committed to playing the hand (when you got a piece).  It's not likely he has J-J since there was a J on the flop.  So Q's could hurt you (which you knew, but you were pretty committed).  His call after you shoved was a joke as well if you ask me.....probably just out of frustration. 
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