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    Ah, Sweden, how are they doing?

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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2020 - 8:14 PM ET #1

    One quick google search brings up a host of articles all bashing Sweden for no mask mandates, no large lockdowns, and actually discouraging masks!!

    THEY CAN'T BE RIGHT!!!! THEY GOTTA BE WRONG!!!

    Several articles claim Sweden is taking the herd immunity approach, and Sweden denies that allegation every time. NO MATTER, YES THEY ARE screams our media. an_roll_laugh

    Sweden is a country of 10.1 million people. No mask mandates, no major lockdowns. So let us find a state who compares to Sweden.

    Michigan is a state with 9.986 million people. Mask mandates, various lockdowns since March

    Let us compare the data between the two;

    Sweden; 348,585 total cases confirmed. 7,802 confirmed deaths. 34,417 cases per mil/pop. 770 deaths per mil/pop.

    Michigan; 482,815 total cases confirmed. 11,588 confirmed deaths. 70,914 cases per mil/pop. 1160 deaths per mil/pop.

    Both Michigan and Sweden having similar fall upswings in virus, Michigan upswing a little earlier than Sweden's. Michigan just peaked with a 7-day avg. of 7604 on Nov.21st. Sweden hit 6236 on Dec. 13th.

    Now Michigan has just about tested it's entire population according to the stats, a rate of 800,000 per million. Sweden at 367,000 per million people. So, OK, Michigan has more positives as it has tested more. So one can assume Sweden has more positives not tested. Wait a minute! Why does Sweden have a death rate of one in 45.67 positive cases and Michigan has a death rate of one in 41.67 positive tests???? Maybe Sweden not testing all their dead?? I don't think so.

    What sticks out as big as a thumb hit by a hammer is Sweden, with all the things, we are told over and over again, have done wrong, they are no worse than Michigan and even look better. Look at the trends on worldometer, almost identical these two. 

    WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU??

    #1. If Sweden has conducted 3.7 million tests and has 348,000 positives, where the hell is this herd immunity attempt we here about??? Should be at least a million positives! Not even 4% of their population have tested positive, there is obviously NO attempt at herd immunity. It's obvious, OUR MEDIA IS LYING.

    #2. All the lockdowns, mask mandates, government intervention, has done nothing to limit the spread as compared to a country that did not impose itself on it's people. 

    #3. Those on the left can't stand it. They will continue to refuse to see the data for what it is and continue to spread their lies. How long before Twitter bans Sweden data? 

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    One quick google search brings up a host of articles all bashing Sweden for no mask mandates, no large lockdowns, and actually discouraging masks!!

    THEY CAN'T BE RIGHT!!!! THEY GOTTA BE WRONG!!!

    Several articles claim Sweden is taking the herd immunity approach, and Sweden denies that allegation every time. NO MATTER, YES THEY ARE screams our media. an_roll_laugh

    Sweden is a country of 10.1 million people. No mask mandates, no major lockdowns. So let us find a state who compares to Sweden.

    Michigan is a state with 9.986 million people. Mask mandates, various lockdowns since March

    Let us compare the data between the two;

    Sweden; 348,585 total cases confirmed. 7,802 confirmed deaths. 34,417 cases per mil/pop. 770 deaths per mil/pop.

    Michigan; 482,815 total cases confirmed. 11,588 confirmed deaths. 70,914 cases per mil/pop. 1160 deaths per mil/pop.

    Both Michigan and Sweden having similar fall upswings in virus, Michigan upswing a little earlier than Sweden's. Michigan just peaked with a 7-day avg. of 7604 on Nov.21st. Sweden hit 6236 on Dec. 13th.

    Now Michigan has just about tested it's entire population according to the stats, a rate of 800,000 per million. Sweden at 367,000 per million people. So, OK, Michigan has more positives as it has tested more. So one can assume Sweden has more positives not tested. Wait a minute! Why does Sweden have a death rate of one in 45.67 positive cases and Michigan has a death rate of one in 41.67 positive tests???? Maybe Sweden not testing all their dead?? I don't think so.

    What sticks out as big as a thumb hit by a hammer is Sweden, with all the things, we are told over and over again, have done wrong, they are no worse than Michigan and even look better. Look at the trends on worldometer, almost identical these two. 

    WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU??

    #1. If Sweden has conducted 3.7 million tests and has 348,000 positives, where the hell is this herd immunity attempt we here about??? Should be at least a million positives! Not even 4% of their population have tested positive, there is obviously NO attempt at herd immunity. It's obvious, OUR MEDIA IS LYING.

    #2. All the lockdowns, mask mandates, government intervention, has done nothing to limit the spread as compared to a country that did not impose itself on it's people. 

    #3. Those on the left can't stand it. They will continue to refuse to see the data for what it is and continue to spread their lies. How long before Twitter bans Sweden data? 

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2020 - 8:24 PM ET #2

    wrong forum, moving to General Disc.

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    wrong forum, moving to General Disc.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2020 - 9:24 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    #2. All the lockdowns, mask mandates, government intervention, has done nothing to limit the spread as compared to a country that did not impose itself on it's people.  #3. Those on the left can't stand it. They will continue to refuse to see the data for what it is and continue to spread their lies. How long before Twitter bans Sweden data?

     

    The data:

    DEC 16:

    trump REPUBLICAN-denialist regime = 948 deaths per million

    Compare US to these responsible, competent nations, with over 95%
    universal mask wearing and other STRONG government mitigation measures
    right from the beginning - no "downplaying" whatsoever:

    Australia         = 35 per million
    Japan               = 21 per million
    Hong Kong     = 16 per million
    S. Korea           = 12 per million
    New Zealand   =  5 per million
    Taiwan              = .3 per million


    *NOTE:
    There are 129 nations in the world listed  with at least  4 million pop.
    123 are performing far BETTER  at protecting their citizens
    than trump and his REPUBLICAN-denialist regime

    Stat source:   https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    #2. All the lockdowns, mask mandates, government intervention, has done nothing to limit the spread as compared to a country that did not impose itself on it's people.  #3. Those on the left can't stand it. They will continue to refuse to see the data for what it is and continue to spread their lies. How long before Twitter bans Sweden data?

     

    The data:

    DEC 16:

    trump REPUBLICAN-denialist regime = 948 deaths per million

    Compare US to these responsible, competent nations, with over 95%
    universal mask wearing and other STRONG government mitigation measures
    right from the beginning - no "downplaying" whatsoever:

    Australia         = 35 per million
    Japan               = 21 per million
    Hong Kong     = 16 per million
    S. Korea           = 12 per million
    New Zealand   =  5 per million
    Taiwan              = .3 per million


    *NOTE:
    There are 129 nations in the world listed  with at least  4 million pop.
    123 are performing far BETTER  at protecting their citizens
    than trump and his REPUBLICAN-denialist regime

    Stat source:   https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2020 - 9:56 PM ET #4

    DEC 16:

    trump rises up to 6th worst in the world
    (among 129 world nations with at least 4 million population)
    Now that UK is enacting renewed, stronger government interventions
    we can expect the trump-regime will surpass UK fairly soon...

    Top 20 WORST  death rates per million population:

    1565  Belgium
    <  big gap  >
    1111  Peru
    1101  Italy
    1039  Spain
      963  UK
      948  trump's REPUBLICAN-covid-denialist regime <--- now 6th WORST! an_light
      922  Czechia
      911  Argentina
      908  France
      895  Bulgaria
      894  Mexico
      862  Brazil
      832  Chile
      791  Panama
      783  Ecuador
      774  Columbia
      770  Sweden   <--- now enacting strong measures an_light
      768  Bolivia
      765  Hungary
      735  Switzerland

    NOTE:
    There are 129 nations in the world listed  with at least  4 million pop.
    123 of those nations are performing far BETTER  at protecting their citizens
    than trump and his REPUBLICAN covid-denialist regime

    Stat source:   https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     

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    DEC 16:

    trump rises up to 6th worst in the world
    (among 129 world nations with at least 4 million population)
    Now that UK is enacting renewed, stronger government interventions
    we can expect the trump-regime will surpass UK fairly soon...

    Top 20 WORST  death rates per million population:

    1565  Belgium
    <  big gap  >
    1111  Peru
    1101  Italy
    1039  Spain
      963  UK
      948  trump's REPUBLICAN-covid-denialist regime <--- now 6th WORST! an_light
      922  Czechia
      911  Argentina
      908  France
      895  Bulgaria
      894  Mexico
      862  Brazil
      832  Chile
      791  Panama
      783  Ecuador
      774  Columbia
      770  Sweden   <--- now enacting strong measures an_light
      768  Bolivia
      765  Hungary
      735  Switzerland

    NOTE:
    There are 129 nations in the world listed  with at least  4 million pop.
    123 of those nations are performing far BETTER  at protecting their citizens
    than trump and his REPUBLICAN covid-denialist regime

    Stat source:   https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2020 - 11:10 PM ET #5

    Sweden not doing so hot right now

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    Sweden not doing so hot right now

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2020 - 12:54 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Inblood:

    Sweden not doing so hot right now

    Covid-19: Sweden's herd immunity strategy has failed, hospitals inundated

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-swedens-herd-immunity-strategy-has-failed-hospitals-inundated/N5DXE42OZJOLRQGGXOT7WJOLSU/

    Sweden has banned gatherings of more than 8 people as a second wave of coronavirus continues to grow. "Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel," Swedish Prime Minister Lofven said.--Scott Gottlieb, MD, Former FDA Commissioner , Twitter, Nov.16, 2020. 

    "Herd mentality", as referred by Mr. Donald J Trump, has failed miserably in Sweden. This country can't follow Sweden's wrong steps, the herd mentality could kill over two million Americans. We should reach herd immunity through vaccines not by deliberate infections, as being told by many medical scientists. Listen to scientists NOT the politicians, in terms of mitigating pandemic. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inblood:

    Sweden not doing so hot right now

    Covid-19: Sweden's herd immunity strategy has failed, hospitals inundated

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-swedens-herd-immunity-strategy-has-failed-hospitals-inundated/N5DXE42OZJOLRQGGXOT7WJOLSU/

    Sweden has banned gatherings of more than 8 people as a second wave of coronavirus continues to grow. "Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel," Swedish Prime Minister Lofven said.--Scott Gottlieb, MD, Former FDA Commissioner , Twitter, Nov.16, 2020. 

    "Herd mentality", as referred by Mr. Donald J Trump, has failed miserably in Sweden. This country can't follow Sweden's wrong steps, the herd mentality could kill over two million Americans. We should reach herd immunity through vaccines not by deliberate infections, as being told by many medical scientists. Listen to scientists NOT the politicians, in terms of mitigating pandemic. 
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2020 - 2:43 PM ET #7

    'We have failed' —
    Sweden's King Carl XVI Gustaf admits failure
    on coronavirus 'herd immunity' strategy
    as COVID deaths multiply

    Xeni Jardin 8:10 am Thu Dec 17, 2020
    A poll on Thursday showed only a third of Swedes expressed a high level
    of confidence in authorities’ handling of the pandemic, but
    this is down significantly from 42% in March and the peak 56% confidence
    after the summer lull in infections.

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    'We have failed' —
    Sweden's King Carl XVI Gustaf admits failure
    on coronavirus 'herd immunity' strategy
    as COVID deaths multiply

    Xeni Jardin 8:10 am Thu Dec 17, 2020
    A poll on Thursday showed only a third of Swedes expressed a high level
    of confidence in authorities’ handling of the pandemic, but
    this is down significantly from 42% in March and the peak 56% confidence
    after the summer lull in infections.

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