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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 11:19 AM ET #1

    What role does culture play in the racial income gap? 

    Let’s look at 2 people with different strategies and goals over a 10 year period. 

    Person X spends $1,200 on Nike sneakers every year for the last 10 years. 

    Person Y spends $1,200 on Nike stock every year for the last 10 years. 

    Currently, person X has a worn out sneaker collection. And person Y has $44,700 worth of Nike stock and also receives $350 a year in dividends. 

    Don’t tell me culture doesn’t play a role in the racial income gap. 

    Who is talking about this? Who is trying to change the culture? 

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    What role does culture play in the racial income gap? 

    Let’s look at 2 people with different strategies and goals over a 10 year period. 

    Person X spends $1,200 on Nike sneakers every year for the last 10 years. 

    Person Y spends $1,200 on Nike stock every year for the last 10 years. 

    Currently, person X has a worn out sneaker collection. And person Y has $44,700 worth of Nike stock and also receives $350 a year in dividends. 

    Don’t tell me culture doesn’t play a role in the racial income gap. 

    Who is talking about this? Who is trying to change the culture? 

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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 11:28 AM ET #2

    Answer: Nobody is talking about this 

    Nobody is telling person X that he is poor because he’s an idiot with bad values. 

    Democrats are telling person X that he is poor because of systemic racism. 

    Good luck with that peace_5

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    Answer: Nobody is talking about this 

    Nobody is telling person X that he is poor because he’s an idiot with bad values. 

    Democrats are telling person X that he is poor because of systemic racism. 

    Good luck with that peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 11:35 AM ET #3

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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 11:38 AM ET #4

    Culture (noun) 

    1A: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group

    also: the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time

    1B: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization

    1C: the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic

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    Culture (noun) 

    1A: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group

    also: the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time

    1B: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization

    1C: the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 11:56 AM ET #5

    But if you’re on welfare the Democrats (Bill Clinton 1996) made it illegal for you to accumulate stocks. 

    But you’re free to accumulate all of the pairs of sneakers your little heart desires 

    So you don’t have many options. I guess you’ll just have to stay on welfare, live in the projects and continue voting for Democrats. 

    Good luck peace_5

     

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    But if you’re on welfare the Democrats (Bill Clinton 1996) made it illegal for you to accumulate stocks. 

    But you’re free to accumulate all of the pairs of sneakers your little heart desires 

    So you don’t have many options. I guess you’ll just have to stay on welfare, live in the projects and continue voting for Democrats. 

    Good luck peace_5

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 12:43 PM ET #6

    You're not wrong but the issue is a lot more nuanced. There are plenty of black people who don't buy expensive shoes, that save and invest. There are plenty of white people who are poor, and working poor, who spend their money on dumb shit. They would have us believe that it's all race based but really it's a have/have-not based issue. To your point, it's an issue of culture, not race. And truth be told, anyone dropping $1200 a year on sneakers is not poor. This shit is textbook Rich Dad, Poor Dad shit. You think some hood in Charleston is buying Nike stock with his armored car robbery money? I think there are a lot of poor white people who think they are outside of these issues that are going to have a very rude awakening. You know as well as I do that this shit isn't raced based. Especially coming from a place like New England that has white ghettos that are just like black ghettos. The powers that be, on both sides of the aisle, sell us this narrative so that people don't realize what's really going on. The poor black person thinks, "Why try? The deck is already stacked against me." The poor person thinks, "I'm doing alright. I'm white. I'm good." Both are getting fucked equally though. A capitalist society, though still the best system, needs some people to be poor. It's just how it is. And there are not enough black people to fill that role, especially as many move out of poverty. There are plenty of poor whites and nobody is looking out for these people. Not the Republican party. And definitely not the Democrats. They don't even pretend.

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    You're not wrong but the issue is a lot more nuanced. There are plenty of black people who don't buy expensive shoes, that save and invest. There are plenty of white people who are poor, and working poor, who spend their money on dumb shit. They would have us believe that it's all race based but really it's a have/have-not based issue. To your point, it's an issue of culture, not race. And truth be told, anyone dropping $1200 a year on sneakers is not poor. This shit is textbook Rich Dad, Poor Dad shit. You think some hood in Charleston is buying Nike stock with his armored car robbery money? I think there are a lot of poor white people who think they are outside of these issues that are going to have a very rude awakening. You know as well as I do that this shit isn't raced based. Especially coming from a place like New England that has white ghettos that are just like black ghettos. The powers that be, on both sides of the aisle, sell us this narrative so that people don't realize what's really going on. The poor black person thinks, "Why try? The deck is already stacked against me." The poor person thinks, "I'm doing alright. I'm white. I'm good." Both are getting fucked equally though. A capitalist society, though still the best system, needs some people to be poor. It's just how it is. And there are not enough black people to fill that role, especially as many move out of poverty. There are plenty of poor whites and nobody is looking out for these people. Not the Republican party. And definitely not the Democrats. They don't even pretend.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 1:03 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    But if you’re on welfare the Democrats (Bill Clinton 1996) made it illegal for you to accumulate stocks.  But you’re free to accumulate all of the pairs of sneakers your little heart desires So you don’t have many options. I guess you’ll just have to stay on welfare, live in the projects and continue voting for Democrats.  Good luck

    Until the late 60s or early 70s (it's been sometime since i've read up on this stuff) you couldn't collect welfare if there was a man in the house. As my dad, who was a black studies professor and taught several different classes, the government wanted to be the surrogate man of the house/family. Wanted you to rely on him and only him. This ripped families apart.

    What's true in this country is you can always pull yourself up and out. Sure, there are roadblocks. That path for some has fresh pavement while for others it is quite rocky but event the rocky, dirt road full of hazards isn't blocked. It's open. You can travel down it as far as you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    But if you’re on welfare the Democrats (Bill Clinton 1996) made it illegal for you to accumulate stocks.  But you’re free to accumulate all of the pairs of sneakers your little heart desires So you don’t have many options. I guess you’ll just have to stay on welfare, live in the projects and continue voting for Democrats.  Good luck

    Until the late 60s or early 70s (it's been sometime since i've read up on this stuff) you couldn't collect welfare if there was a man in the house. As my dad, who was a black studies professor and taught several different classes, the government wanted to be the surrogate man of the house/family. Wanted you to rely on him and only him. This ripped families apart.

    What's true in this country is you can always pull yourself up and out. Sure, there are roadblocks. That path for some has fresh pavement while for others it is quite rocky but event the rocky, dirt road full of hazards isn't blocked. It's open. You can travel down it as far as you like.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 1:07 PM ET #8

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    Black families were notoriously strong before the welfare state took over. They were poor because of racism (USA before the 60’s) but that didn’t stop them from having strong 2 parent households. 

    Because they were so much more likely to be poor, they were much more likely to receive welfare when it was rolled out. 

    This was all a calculated plan by Democrats. And it has worked to perfection. Democrats control over 90% of the black vote. 

    The reason why black people are disproportionately poor now is not because of racism but because of the welfare trap. 

    Democrats are responsible for setting the trap. But why would they change anything when they’re currently receiving 90% of the black vote? This is why Democrats blame everything on racism and never talk about the welfare trap. Democrats don’t want what’s best for black people, Democrats want what is best for Democrats and the puppet masters that control the Party. 

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    Black families were notoriously strong before the welfare state took over. They were poor because of racism (USA before the 60’s) but that didn’t stop them from having strong 2 parent households. 

    Because they were so much more likely to be poor, they were much more likely to receive welfare when it was rolled out. 

    This was all a calculated plan by Democrats. And it has worked to perfection. Democrats control over 90% of the black vote. 

    The reason why black people are disproportionately poor now is not because of racism but because of the welfare trap. 

    Democrats are responsible for setting the trap. But why would they change anything when they’re currently receiving 90% of the black vote? This is why Democrats blame everything on racism and never talk about the welfare trap. Democrats don’t want what’s best for black people, Democrats want what is best for Democrats and the puppet masters that control the Party. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Black families were notoriously strong before the welfare state took over. They were poor because of racism (USA before the 60’s) but that didn’t stop them from having strong 2 parent households.  Because they were so much more likely to be poor, they were much more likely to receive welfare when it was rolled out.  This was all a calculated plan by Democrats. And it has worked to perfection. Democrats control over 90% of the black vote.  The reason why black people are disproportionately poor now is not because of racism but because of the welfare trap.  Democrats are responsible for setting the trap. But why would they change anything when they’re currently receiving 90% of the black vote? This is why Democrats blame everything on racism and never talk about the welfare trap. Democrats don’t want what’s best for black people, Democrats want what is best for Democrats and the puppet masters that control the Party.

    You're ignoring the crack epidemic and the unfair sentencing practices for non-violent drug offenders in the black community. That's a huge, A HUGE part of it. We're getting off into the weeds a bit though. The thesis of your post, of many of your posts, is not wrong. In this country, regardless of race, you can be successful. There are opportunities out there for you. The road may not be easy but there are no road blocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Black families were notoriously strong before the welfare state took over. They were poor because of racism (USA before the 60’s) but that didn’t stop them from having strong 2 parent households.  Because they were so much more likely to be poor, they were much more likely to receive welfare when it was rolled out.  This was all a calculated plan by Democrats. And it has worked to perfection. Democrats control over 90% of the black vote.  The reason why black people are disproportionately poor now is not because of racism but because of the welfare trap.  Democrats are responsible for setting the trap. But why would they change anything when they’re currently receiving 90% of the black vote? This is why Democrats blame everything on racism and never talk about the welfare trap. Democrats don’t want what’s best for black people, Democrats want what is best for Democrats and the puppet masters that control the Party.

    You're ignoring the crack epidemic and the unfair sentencing practices for non-violent drug offenders in the black community. That's a huge, A HUGE part of it. We're getting off into the weeds a bit though. The thesis of your post, of many of your posts, is not wrong. In this country, regardless of race, you can be successful. There are opportunities out there for you. The road may not be easy but there are no road blocks.

     
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    ...but it's not just the Democratic party. The Republican party targets poor white people in the same ways. I watch it like a movie i've seen because they use the same playbook. In the black community, it was the Man. The Man is holding you down. The Man is pulling all the strings oppression. And the man was always personified as a stuff old white male, Mitch McConnell type. Well now, amongst poor whites, it's the deep state. The deep state is holding you down. The deep state is pulling the strings of oppression. And the deep state is personified as a stuffy old white woman Nancy Pelosi type. These are just spook stories to control the masses. News Flash: Mitch and Nancy are equally evil and more cooperative than most even realize. The bickering, the back and forth, it's all theatrics. And the chickens are coming home to roost. The wealth gap is widening for poor whites just like poor blacks. Spots at American universities are going to Indians, East Asians, Nigerians, etc. And the opioid and meth epidemic is doing to the white community what the crack epidemic did to the black community, albeit without the unjust sentencing. When will people realize that both parties are fucked up and they are fucking us over together. I'm at a point of not caring anymore. I can't take the back and forth. My family, not just immediate but my entire family, is doing great. It is what it is.

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    ...but it's not just the Democratic party. The Republican party targets poor white people in the same ways. I watch it like a movie i've seen because they use the same playbook. In the black community, it was the Man. The Man is holding you down. The Man is pulling all the strings oppression. And the man was always personified as a stuff old white male, Mitch McConnell type. Well now, amongst poor whites, it's the deep state. The deep state is holding you down. The deep state is pulling the strings of oppression. And the deep state is personified as a stuffy old white woman Nancy Pelosi type. These are just spook stories to control the masses. News Flash: Mitch and Nancy are equally evil and more cooperative than most even realize. The bickering, the back and forth, it's all theatrics. And the chickens are coming home to roost. The wealth gap is widening for poor whites just like poor blacks. Spots at American universities are going to Indians, East Asians, Nigerians, etc. And the opioid and meth epidemic is doing to the white community what the crack epidemic did to the black community, albeit without the unjust sentencing. When will people realize that both parties are fucked up and they are fucking us over together. I'm at a point of not caring anymore. I can't take the back and forth. My family, not just immediate but my entire family, is doing great. It is what it is.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 2:53 PM ET #12

    Politics today is nothing more than a shell game. And people are dumb enough to step up and argue over it.

    "It's under the left shell"

    "No, it's under the right. It's in the middle."

    The ball's not under any of those shells. They palmed it, you dumbfucks. Stop putting your money behind one of the shells. Stop playing the game.

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    Politics today is nothing more than a shell game. And people are dumb enough to step up and argue over it.

    "It's under the left shell"

    "No, it's under the right. It's in the middle."

    The ball's not under any of those shells. They palmed it, you dumbfucks. Stop putting your money behind one of the shells. Stop playing the game.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 3:11 PM ET #13

    Stupid Americans love watching those shells shuffle around though. They'll do it for hours. That's all the modern news cycle is. Doesn't matter if it's CNN or Fox. Or some fringe Facebook or Twiitter group. It's all just empty shells with no ball underneath.

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    Stupid Americans love watching those shells shuffle around though. They'll do it for hours. That's all the modern news cycle is. Doesn't matter if it's CNN or Fox. Or some fringe Facebook or Twiitter group. It's all just empty shells with no ball underneath.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 3:13 PM ET #14

    Yes the wealth gap is widening for any poor person because of asset inflation and poor people don’t have any assets to keep pace and they’re being priced out.

    The crack epidemic was pushed by the CIA. The strict sentencing was needed and pushed/supported by black politicians. Their neighborhoods were up in flames. 

    The establishment Republicans are the same as the the Democrats. But establishment Republicans no longer control the party unlike the Democrats. The Republicans are currently controlled by anti establishment politicians and will be anti establishment moving forward. 

    Trump, Rand Paul, DeSantis etc. are in control. 

     

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    Yes the wealth gap is widening for any poor person because of asset inflation and poor people don’t have any assets to keep pace and they’re being priced out.

    The crack epidemic was pushed by the CIA. The strict sentencing was needed and pushed/supported by black politicians. Their neighborhoods were up in flames. 

    The establishment Republicans are the same as the the Democrats. But establishment Republicans no longer control the party unlike the Democrats. The Republicans are currently controlled by anti establishment politicians and will be anti establishment moving forward. 

    Trump, Rand Paul, DeSantis etc. are in control. 

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 3:20 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Yes the wealth gap is widening for any poor person because of asset inflation and poor people don’t have any assets to keep pace and they’re being priced out. The crack epidemic was pushed by the CIA. The strict sentencing was needed and pushed/supported by black politicians. Their neighborhoods were up in flames.  The establishment Republicans are the same as the the Democrats. But establishment Republicans no longer control the party unlike the Democrats. The Republicans are currently controlled by anti establishment politicians and will be anti establishment moving forward.  Trump, Rand Paul, DeSantis etc. are in control.

    You're crazy. Is Moscow Mitch not an establishment Republican? What about slime monsters like Ted Cruz? Don't spend your life fooled by one party only to "wise" up and be fooled by another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Yes the wealth gap is widening for any poor person because of asset inflation and poor people don’t have any assets to keep pace and they’re being priced out. The crack epidemic was pushed by the CIA. The strict sentencing was needed and pushed/supported by black politicians. Their neighborhoods were up in flames.  The establishment Republicans are the same as the the Democrats. But establishment Republicans no longer control the party unlike the Democrats. The Republicans are currently controlled by anti establishment politicians and will be anti establishment moving forward.  Trump, Rand Paul, DeSantis etc. are in control.

    You're crazy. Is Moscow Mitch not an establishment Republican? What about slime monsters like Ted Cruz? Don't spend your life fooled by one party only to "wise" up and be fooled by another.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 3:30 PM ET #16

    Oh yeah McConnell is establishment. I’m 50/50 on Cruz. He’s an opportunist and if the party is going anti establishment he’ll be anti establishment. 

    I mean I’m not donating $1 to any political cause. I don’t care to that degree. 

    I enjoy trying to figure out what’s going on on a national and international level. 

    I’m fascinated by the game. 

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    Oh yeah McConnell is establishment. I’m 50/50 on Cruz. He’s an opportunist and if the party is going anti establishment he’ll be anti establishment. 

    I mean I’m not donating $1 to any political cause. I don’t care to that degree. 

    I enjoy trying to figure out what’s going on on a national and international level. 

    I’m fascinated by the game. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 3:39 PM ET #17

    The deep state, globalists, new world order etc is all real. 

    There is too much at stake financially tied to US policy to have policies pivoting every four years. 

    The deep state is there to ensure that at worst the policies turn like a cruise ship and not like a speed boat. And at the same time they’ll do the bidding for the puppet masters to further agendas. 

    National news, bankers, Hollywood, cia, fbi, social media, state politicians, national politicians, foreign politicians etc. There is definitely a force that is pushing for their best interests in disguise. This is the deep state and they’ll win by any means necessary. 

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    The deep state, globalists, new world order etc is all real. 

    There is too much at stake financially tied to US policy to have policies pivoting every four years. 

    The deep state is there to ensure that at worst the policies turn like a cruise ship and not like a speed boat. And at the same time they’ll do the bidding for the puppet masters to further agendas. 

    National news, bankers, Hollywood, cia, fbi, social media, state politicians, national politicians, foreign politicians etc. There is definitely a force that is pushing for their best interests in disguise. This is the deep state and they’ll win by any means necessary. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 3:41 PM ET #18

    I was supposed to take a nap not talk about the deep state 

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    I was supposed to take a nap not talk about the deep state 

    an_arsed

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2021 - 8:03 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    ...but it's not just the Democratic party. The Republican party targets poor white people in the same ways. I watch it like a movie i've seen because they use the same playbook. In the black community, it was the Man. The Man is holding you down. The Man is pulling all the strings oppression. And the man was always personified as a stuff old white male, Mitch McConnell type. Well now, amongst poor whites, it's the deep state. The deep state is holding you down. The deep state is pulling the strings of oppression. And the deep state is personified as a stuffy old white woman Nancy Pelosi type. These are just spook stories to control the masses. News Flash: Mitch and Nancy are equally evil and more cooperative than most even realize. The bickering, the back and forth, it's all theatrics. And the chickens are coming home to roost. The wealth gap is widening for poor whites just like poor blacks. Spots at American universities are going to Indians, East Asians, Nigerians, etc. And the opioid and meth epidemic is doing to the white community what the crack epidemic did to the black community, albeit without the unjust sentencing. When will people realize that both parties are fucked up and they are fucking us over together. I'm at a point of not caring anymore. I can't take the back and forth. My family, not just immediate but my entire family, is doing great. It is what it is.
    AMEN and Absolutely right on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    ...but it's not just the Democratic party. The Republican party targets poor white people in the same ways. I watch it like a movie i've seen because they use the same playbook. In the black community, it was the Man. The Man is holding you down. The Man is pulling all the strings oppression. And the man was always personified as a stuff old white male, Mitch McConnell type. Well now, amongst poor whites, it's the deep state. The deep state is holding you down. The deep state is pulling the strings of oppression. And the deep state is personified as a stuffy old white woman Nancy Pelosi type. These are just spook stories to control the masses. News Flash: Mitch and Nancy are equally evil and more cooperative than most even realize. The bickering, the back and forth, it's all theatrics. And the chickens are coming home to roost. The wealth gap is widening for poor whites just like poor blacks. Spots at American universities are going to Indians, East Asians, Nigerians, etc. And the opioid and meth epidemic is doing to the white community what the crack epidemic did to the black community, albeit without the unjust sentencing. When will people realize that both parties are fucked up and they are fucking us over together. I'm at a point of not caring anymore. I can't take the back and forth. My family, not just immediate but my entire family, is doing great. It is what it is.
    AMEN and Absolutely right on.

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