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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2017 - 8:41 AM ET #1

    The Congressional Budget Office has predicted that the deficit will DECREASE by 4.6% this fiscal year, which ends on September 30th.

    After the 100% INCREASE during the Obama administrations spending spree, which the MSM failed to ever reference, this decrease is a step in the right direction.

    I realize everyone likes to argue about Obamacare this, or impeach that, but IMO the deficit is the single greatest threat to our economy. A couple of more terms of Obama-like spending could have potentially collapsed our economic system. 

    USA could have been Greece 2.0
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    The Congressional Budget Office has predicted that the deficit will DECREASE by 4.6% this fiscal year, which ends on September 30th.

    After the 100% INCREASE during the Obama administrations spending spree, which the MSM failed to ever reference, this decrease is a step in the right direction.

    I realize everyone likes to argue about Obamacare this, or impeach that, but IMO the deficit is the single greatest threat to our economy. A couple of more terms of Obama-like spending could have potentially collapsed our economic system. 

    USA could have been Greece 2.0
     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2017 - 5:28 PM ET #2

    Deficit is different from debt.  Deficit is the difference between government revenue and spending each year.  Actually, deficits decreased almost 75% during Obama term according to Office of management and budget.  Below is each year and deficit as a percentage of GDP which economists agree is the best measure because it factors in economy change over time.

    2009 9.8%.  2010 8.7%.  2011 8.5%.  2012 6.8%. 2013 4.1%. 2014 2.8%. 2015 2.4%. 

     Obama doesn't deserve all the blame for doubling of national debt. According to Commitee for a responsible federal budget, debt would still rise by trillions because of tax and spending policies already in place.  Also the recession increased future government spending.  Plus Obama can't take financial steps without approval from republican controlled Congress.

    Recent drop in debt is due to normal fluctuations in government revenue and spending rather than any new policy.  Congress hasn't passed any of Trump's policies yet.

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    Deficit is different from debt.  Deficit is the difference between government revenue and spending each year.  Actually, deficits decreased almost 75% during Obama term according to Office of management and budget.  Below is each year and deficit as a percentage of GDP which economists agree is the best measure because it factors in economy change over time.

    2009 9.8%.  2010 8.7%.  2011 8.5%.  2012 6.8%. 2013 4.1%. 2014 2.8%. 2015 2.4%. 

     Obama doesn't deserve all the blame for doubling of national debt. According to Commitee for a responsible federal budget, debt would still rise by trillions because of tax and spending policies already in place.  Also the recession increased future government spending.  Plus Obama can't take financial steps without approval from republican controlled Congress.

    Recent drop in debt is due to normal fluctuations in government revenue and spending rather than any new policy.  Congress hasn't passed any of Trump's policies yet.

    ]
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2017 - 11:37 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Deficit is different from debt.  Deficit is the difference between government revenue and spending each year.  Actually, deficits decreased almost 75% during Obama term according to Office of management and budget.  Below is each year and deficit as a percentage of GDP which economists agree is the best measure because it factors in economy change over time.

    2009 9.8%.  2010 8.7%.  2011 8.5%.  2012 6.8%. 2013 4.1%. 2014 2.8%. 2015 2.4%. 

     Obama doesn't deserve all the blame for doubling of national debt. According to Commitee for a responsible federal budget, debt would still rise by trillions because of tax and spending policies already in place.  Also the recession increased future government spending.  Plus Obama can't take financial steps without approval from republican controlled Congress.

    Recent drop in debt is due to normal fluctuations in government revenue and spending rather than any new policy.  Congress hasn't passed any of Trump's policies yet.

    ]


    Yes... deficits are different than debts.  The primary reason our DEBT increased under Obama is because of the way he handled the financial crisis taking place when he was elected.

    Let's take a time out to recall that the primary platform for his campaign was "CHANGE"... and specifically he promised to "Change the Wall Street government"

    That lie was exposed within the first year of his Presidency!  With the possible exception of Woodrow Wilson, no President in US history has ever done more to actively ensure the protection of corruption on Wall Street, and to maintain the status quo... 

    Those who put their hopes into his promises could not be faulted for their optimism leading up to the election.  However, to still defend him after that first year in office (along with continued Quantitative Easing and the continuation of the Derivatives chain that caused the first housing crisis)... that is inexcusable and deplorable!

    To try to suggest that Obama did a good job because he reduced the DEFICIT, while doubling the DEBT... is a perfect example of what Lewis Carroll liked to call "Painting the roses red."

    The debt is the number that matters.  Take this analogy...


    If I commit 20 turnovers in my first game in the NBA... and then the next game I commit only 15 turnovers... then 12... then 10... then 8...

    Well, look at that, coach!  I have reduced my turnovers by 60% in just 4 games... look how much I am helping the team!  (Meanwhile, I am averaging a league-shattering 13 TO's per game)



    The real breakdown is this... 
    • Obama is the only President in history to have never had a balanced budget in any month of his entire Presidency.  
    • His SMALLEST DEFICIT for any year was still larger than any deficit of any year of any other President in US history.

    And my point is this... these deficits were the direct result of his blatant lie to the American people when he promised to change the Wall Street government, and instead came along and proved that he was always a Wall Street shill, from the very beginning... going all the way to his appointment of Eric Holder as Attorney General to "seek prosecution" against those who perpetrated the Housing Market SCAM... a guy who had spent his career helping those same people avoid lawsuits and prosecutions.  Holder proceeded to get convictions on ZERO of those guilty parties, and then proceeded to go right back to the same law firm that represented those same scumbag criminals!


    Stop trying to defend a scumbag crook, who worked directly to benefit less than .01% of the population of this country, at the expense of the other 99.99%!



    And oh yea... brace yourself for the next Housing Crash, because Obama DID NOT CHANGE A F***ING THING, and those criminals have spent the last 8 years doing exactly what they were doing the previous 8 years: getting filthy rich while selling out the U.S. economy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Deficit is different from debt.  Deficit is the difference between government revenue and spending each year.  Actually, deficits decreased almost 75% during Obama term according to Office of management and budget.  Below is each year and deficit as a percentage of GDP which economists agree is the best measure because it factors in economy change over time.

    2009 9.8%.  2010 8.7%.  2011 8.5%.  2012 6.8%. 2013 4.1%. 2014 2.8%. 2015 2.4%. 

     Obama doesn't deserve all the blame for doubling of national debt. According to Commitee for a responsible federal budget, debt would still rise by trillions because of tax and spending policies already in place.  Also the recession increased future government spending.  Plus Obama can't take financial steps without approval from republican controlled Congress.

    Recent drop in debt is due to normal fluctuations in government revenue and spending rather than any new policy.  Congress hasn't passed any of Trump's policies yet.

    ]


    Yes... deficits are different than debts.  The primary reason our DEBT increased under Obama is because of the way he handled the financial crisis taking place when he was elected.

    Let's take a time out to recall that the primary platform for his campaign was "CHANGE"... and specifically he promised to "Change the Wall Street government"

    That lie was exposed within the first year of his Presidency!  With the possible exception of Woodrow Wilson, no President in US history has ever done more to actively ensure the protection of corruption on Wall Street, and to maintain the status quo... 

    Those who put their hopes into his promises could not be faulted for their optimism leading up to the election.  However, to still defend him after that first year in office (along with continued Quantitative Easing and the continuation of the Derivatives chain that caused the first housing crisis)... that is inexcusable and deplorable!

    To try to suggest that Obama did a good job because he reduced the DEFICIT, while doubling the DEBT... is a perfect example of what Lewis Carroll liked to call "Painting the roses red."

    The debt is the number that matters.  Take this analogy...


    If I commit 20 turnovers in my first game in the NBA... and then the next game I commit only 15 turnovers... then 12... then 10... then 8...

    Well, look at that, coach!  I have reduced my turnovers by 60% in just 4 games... look how much I am helping the team!  (Meanwhile, I am averaging a league-shattering 13 TO's per game)



    The real breakdown is this... 
    • Obama is the only President in history to have never had a balanced budget in any month of his entire Presidency.  
    • His SMALLEST DEFICIT for any year was still larger than any deficit of any year of any other President in US history.

    And my point is this... these deficits were the direct result of his blatant lie to the American people when he promised to change the Wall Street government, and instead came along and proved that he was always a Wall Street shill, from the very beginning... going all the way to his appointment of Eric Holder as Attorney General to "seek prosecution" against those who perpetrated the Housing Market SCAM... a guy who had spent his career helping those same people avoid lawsuits and prosecutions.  Holder proceeded to get convictions on ZERO of those guilty parties, and then proceeded to go right back to the same law firm that represented those same scumbag criminals!


    Stop trying to defend a scumbag crook, who worked directly to benefit less than .01% of the population of this country, at the expense of the other 99.99%!



    And oh yea... brace yourself for the next Housing Crash, because Obama DID NOT CHANGE A F***ING THING, and those criminals have spent the last 8 years doing exactly what they were doing the previous 8 years: getting filthy rich while selling out the U.S. economy!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2017 - 12:13 PM ET #4

    It looks like there are huge bubbles that will pop sometime in the near future. Auto loans, housing, commercial property and student debt. I live in Illinois. The criminal, fiscal  behavior of the 'smarter than you' Left has destroyed the economic well being of our state. The governing Left in their double starched oxfords and khakis has turned our state into a Banana Republic. Wait for the national uproar when the country has to bail us and California out of the economic quagmire. Liberalism in all of it's glory is a mental disorder.
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    It looks like there are huge bubbles that will pop sometime in the near future. Auto loans, housing, commercial property and student debt. I live in Illinois. The criminal, fiscal  behavior of the 'smarter than you' Left has destroyed the economic well being of our state. The governing Left in their double starched oxfords and khakis has turned our state into a Banana Republic. Wait for the national uproar when the country has to bail us and California out of the economic quagmire. Liberalism in all of it's glory is a mental disorder.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2017 - 3:07 PM ET #5

    Sundance, I heard Illinois is in really bad shape right now... and yes, it is the extremist liberal movement that is currently destroying this country.

    The sad thing is... most of these people only hold these values because they are so plugged in to CNN and their blatant lies, but these people are too feeble-minded to resist the propagandist buzz, and they lap it up like a dog drinking from the toilet.

    All of our problems could have been avoided if even half of this country consisted of people whose brains were developed enough to ask the question... "Is there actually any reason to assume that the mainstream media should be trusted?"  Because once you ask that question, the answer is ridiculously obvious!
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    Sundance, I heard Illinois is in really bad shape right now... and yes, it is the extremist liberal movement that is currently destroying this country.

    The sad thing is... most of these people only hold these values because they are so plugged in to CNN and their blatant lies, but these people are too feeble-minded to resist the propagandist buzz, and they lap it up like a dog drinking from the toilet.

    All of our problems could have been avoided if even half of this country consisted of people whose brains were developed enough to ask the question... "Is there actually any reason to assume that the mainstream media should be trusted?"  Because once you ask that question, the answer is ridiculously obvious!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2017 - 3:37 PM ET #6

    I agree 100% dude. We are in horrible shape. The Left ran out of other people's money.
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    I agree 100% dude. We are in horrible shape. The Left ran out of other people's money.
     
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    As usual the left vs right crap is wrong and short sided.

    The reason why Obama did not change anything after the crisis isnt because he is a democrat/liberal and it isnt because the republicans were in control of congress or any other partisan deflections...it has nothing to do with the president or the party, either one.

    I wont write my normal 10 paragraph reply instead I will say it as simple as I can. The reason why nothing changed is because big business does not want it to change..they want to lie, cheat, deceive, make tons of money and get bailed out when their leveraging and gambling fail. Big business controls our political process and that is why nothing changed.

    I remember Warren being all up in arms and wanting the scalps of the bank heads, to prosecute those banks but she did nothing, she got shut down and any politician that spoke out against the corporate controllers of our process accomplished nothing. What little that was done (Dodd Frank) was a shell of what needed to be done and the banks are trying to undo what little there was remaining and I am sure they will get their way. 

    Trump has a big biz cabinet, he came from big biz, he knows who call the shots and he will not do anything to stop or change the status quo.


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    As usual the left vs right crap is wrong and short sided.

    The reason why Obama did not change anything after the crisis isnt because he is a democrat/liberal and it isnt because the republicans were in control of congress or any other partisan deflections...it has nothing to do with the president or the party, either one.

    I wont write my normal 10 paragraph reply instead I will say it as simple as I can. The reason why nothing changed is because big business does not want it to change..they want to lie, cheat, deceive, make tons of money and get bailed out when their leveraging and gambling fail. Big business controls our political process and that is why nothing changed.

    I remember Warren being all up in arms and wanting the scalps of the bank heads, to prosecute those banks but she did nothing, she got shut down and any politician that spoke out against the corporate controllers of our process accomplished nothing. What little that was done (Dodd Frank) was a shell of what needed to be done and the banks are trying to undo what little there was remaining and I am sure they will get their way. 

    Trump has a big biz cabinet, he came from big biz, he knows who call the shots and he will not do anything to stop or change the status quo.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    As usual the left vs right crap is wrong and short sided.

    The reason why Obama did not change anything after the crisis isnt because he is a democrat/liberal and it isnt because the republicans were in control of congress or any other partisan deflections...it has nothing to do with the president or the party, either one.

    I wont write my normal 10 paragraph reply instead I will say it as simple as I can. The reason why nothing changed is because big business does not want it to change..they want to lie, cheat, deceive, make tons of money and get bailed out when their leveraging and gambling fail. Big business controls our political process and that is why nothing changed.

    I remember Warren being all up in arms and wanting the scalps of the bank heads, to prosecute those banks but she did nothing, she got shut down and any politician that spoke out against the corporate controllers of our process accomplished nothing. What little that was done (Dodd Frank) was a shell of what needed to be done and the banks are trying to undo what little there was remaining and I am sure they will get their way. 

    Trump has a big biz cabinet, he came from big biz, he knows who call the shots and he will not do anything to stop or change the status quo.



    I agree, this isn't about Democrat vs. Republican.  The Bush family is behind all recent Presidents, pulling the strings.  However, these Presidents have been selected because they are believed to be people who will play ball with Big Business.

    The most powerful force in deciding the political power structure in this country is the manipulative and propagandist media... and THAT is where the liberal ideology is being fed to people.


    Let's just recall a few minor points:  

    1. The Bush boys endorsed one of this past elections Presidential candidates, because they knew that person was very much under their control (and under the control of the bankers, et al.)
    2. Obama didn't change anything because that isn't what he was hired (by big business) to do... and he was ALWAYS in their pocket!  You can't blame Big Business for the fact that he re-appointed and promoted all of the power players responsible for the housing crash, nor for the fact that Congress and the Justice system turned a blind eye, nor the fact that the policies put in place to deal with the crisis are very specifically designed to bring about another one.
    3. The media is owned and run by BIG BUSINESS!  The most powerful people and corporations on the planet (Time Warner, GE, Viacom, etc.) own more than 95% of the MSM.

    The jury is still out on Trump.  But to ignore the fact that the media does NOT remotely endorse him, and neither do the Bush boys, is to remain oblivious to the fact that he is not under their thumb... at least not as much as people like Hillary and Barry.  And that can only be a good thing!

    Yes, the two-party system is a sham.  However, the current cancerous atmosphere in this country is stemming from ultra-leftwing ideologies that have been disseminated by the media to a very very stupid population of millennials.  The pendulum swings back and forth... right now it's swinging left!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    As usual the left vs right crap is wrong and short sided.

    The reason why Obama did not change anything after the crisis isnt because he is a democrat/liberal and it isnt because the republicans were in control of congress or any other partisan deflections...it has nothing to do with the president or the party, either one.

    I wont write my normal 10 paragraph reply instead I will say it as simple as I can. The reason why nothing changed is because big business does not want it to change..they want to lie, cheat, deceive, make tons of money and get bailed out when their leveraging and gambling fail. Big business controls our political process and that is why nothing changed.

    I remember Warren being all up in arms and wanting the scalps of the bank heads, to prosecute those banks but she did nothing, she got shut down and any politician that spoke out against the corporate controllers of our process accomplished nothing. What little that was done (Dodd Frank) was a shell of what needed to be done and the banks are trying to undo what little there was remaining and I am sure they will get their way. 

    Trump has a big biz cabinet, he came from big biz, he knows who call the shots and he will not do anything to stop or change the status quo.



    I agree, this isn't about Democrat vs. Republican.  The Bush family is behind all recent Presidents, pulling the strings.  However, these Presidents have been selected because they are believed to be people who will play ball with Big Business.

    The most powerful force in deciding the political power structure in this country is the manipulative and propagandist media... and THAT is where the liberal ideology is being fed to people.


    Let's just recall a few minor points:  

    1. The Bush boys endorsed one of this past elections Presidential candidates, because they knew that person was very much under their control (and under the control of the bankers, et al.)
    2. Obama didn't change anything because that isn't what he was hired (by big business) to do... and he was ALWAYS in their pocket!  You can't blame Big Business for the fact that he re-appointed and promoted all of the power players responsible for the housing crash, nor for the fact that Congress and the Justice system turned a blind eye, nor the fact that the policies put in place to deal with the crisis are very specifically designed to bring about another one.
    3. The media is owned and run by BIG BUSINESS!  The most powerful people and corporations on the planet (Time Warner, GE, Viacom, etc.) own more than 95% of the MSM.

    The jury is still out on Trump.  But to ignore the fact that the media does NOT remotely endorse him, and neither do the Bush boys, is to remain oblivious to the fact that he is not under their thumb... at least not as much as people like Hillary and Barry.  And that can only be a good thing!

    Yes, the two-party system is a sham.  However, the current cancerous atmosphere in this country is stemming from ultra-leftwing ideologies that have been disseminated by the media to a very very stupid population of millennials.  The pendulum swings back and forth... right now it's swinging left!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duderonomy:

     

    The sad thing is... most of these people only hold these values because they are so plugged in to CNN and their blatant lies, but these people are too feeble-minded to resist the propagandist buzz, and they lap it up like a dog drinking from the toilet.

    All of our problems could have been avoided if even half of this country consisted of people whose brains were developed enough to ask the question... "Is there actually any reason to assume that the mainstream media should be trusted?"  Because once you ask that question, the answer is ridiculously obvious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duderonomy:

     

    The sad thing is... most of these people only hold these values because they are so plugged in to CNN and their blatant lies, but these people are too feeble-minded to resist the propagandist buzz, and they lap it up like a dog drinking from the toilet.

    All of our problems could have been avoided if even half of this country consisted of people whose brains were developed enough to ask the question... "Is there actually any reason to assume that the mainstream media should be trusted?"  Because once you ask that question, the answer is ridiculously obvious!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duderonomy:


    I agree, this isn't about Democrat vs. Republican.  The Bush family is behind all recent Presidents, pulling the strings.  However, these Presidents have been selected because they are believed to be people who will play ball with Big Business.

    The most powerful force in deciding the political power structure in this country is the manipulative and propagandist media... and THAT is where the liberal ideology is being fed to people.


    Let's just recall a few minor points:  

    1. The Bush boys endorsed one of this past elections Presidential candidates, because they knew that person was very much under their control (and under the control of the bankers, et al.)
    2. Obama didn't change anything because that isn't what he was hired (by big business) to do... and he was ALWAYS in their pocket!  You can't blame Big Business for the fact that he re-appointed and promoted all of the power players responsible for the housing crash, nor for the fact that Congress and the Justice system turned a blind eye, nor the fact that the policies put in place to deal with the crisis are very specifically designed to bring about another one.
    3. The media is owned and run by BIG BUSINESS!  The most powerful people and corporations on the planet (Time Warner, GE, Viacom, etc.) own more than 95% of the MSM.

    The jury is still out on Trump.  But to ignore the fact that the media does NOT remotely endorse him, and neither do the Bush boys, is to remain oblivious to the fact that he is not under their thumb... at least not as much as people like Hillary and Barry.  And that can only be a good thing!

    Yes, the two-party system is a sham.  However, the current cancerous atmosphere in this country is stemming from ultra-leftwing ideologies that have been disseminated by the media to a very very stupid population of millennials.  The pendulum swings back and forth... right now it's swinging left!

    Dude, you express yourself brilliantly 
    bigreds daddy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duderonomy:


    I agree, this isn't about Democrat vs. Republican.  The Bush family is behind all recent Presidents, pulling the strings.  However, these Presidents have been selected because they are believed to be people who will play ball with Big Business.

    The most powerful force in deciding the political power structure in this country is the manipulative and propagandist media... and THAT is where the liberal ideology is being fed to people.


    Let's just recall a few minor points:  

    1. The Bush boys endorsed one of this past elections Presidential candidates, because they knew that person was very much under their control (and under the control of the bankers, et al.)
    2. Obama didn't change anything because that isn't what he was hired (by big business) to do... and he was ALWAYS in their pocket!  You can't blame Big Business for the fact that he re-appointed and promoted all of the power players responsible for the housing crash, nor for the fact that Congress and the Justice system turned a blind eye, nor the fact that the policies put in place to deal with the crisis are very specifically designed to bring about another one.
    3. The media is owned and run by BIG BUSINESS!  The most powerful people and corporations on the planet (Time Warner, GE, Viacom, etc.) own more than 95% of the MSM.

    The jury is still out on Trump.  But to ignore the fact that the media does NOT remotely endorse him, and neither do the Bush boys, is to remain oblivious to the fact that he is not under their thumb... at least not as much as people like Hillary and Barry.  And that can only be a good thing!

    Yes, the two-party system is a sham.  However, the current cancerous atmosphere in this country is stemming from ultra-leftwing ideologies that have been disseminated by the media to a very very stupid population of millennials.  The pendulum swings back and forth... right now it's swinging left!

    Dude, you express yourself brilliantly 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2017 - 10:48 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    Dude, you express yourself brilliantly 


    That's what happens when your source of knowledge is critical thinking rather than Don Lemon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    Dude, you express yourself brilliantly 


    That's what happens when your source of knowledge is critical thinking rather than Don Lemon!

     
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    It's ALL the left's fault? 

    Get off your Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter tinted glasses, boys. 
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    It's ALL the left's fault? 

    Get off your Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter tinted glasses, boys. 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdr016:

    It's ALL the left's fault? 

    Get off your Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter tinted glasses, boys. 


    Well... I'm going to discard your strawman fallacy, since only one person on this thread cited the left as the problem, and that over-simplification was immediately corrected by other people with a broader analysis... and yet you have tried to "summarize" this entire discussion with the ridiculous thesis: "it's all the left's fault," rather than addressing the much more detailed analysis that has been given by other people, including myself.

    I get it... you don't like to read (or maybe think).

    But beyond that... did you really just use a strawman fallacy to target people on the side of the fence you don't like, by claiming they are wearing "tinted glasses?"

    Do you drown in your own irony?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdr016:

    It's ALL the left's fault? 

    Get off your Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter tinted glasses, boys. 


    Well... I'm going to discard your strawman fallacy, since only one person on this thread cited the left as the problem, and that over-simplification was immediately corrected by other people with a broader analysis... and yet you have tried to "summarize" this entire discussion with the ridiculous thesis: "it's all the left's fault," rather than addressing the much more detailed analysis that has been given by other people, including myself.

    I get it... you don't like to read (or maybe think).

    But beyond that... did you really just use a strawman fallacy to target people on the side of the fence you don't like, by claiming they are wearing "tinted glasses?"

    Do you drown in your own irony?
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