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    House Republicans face back lash for impeachment vote.

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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2021 - 1:29 PM ET #1

    Voters ... Voices.

    In his first phone town hall since voting to impeach former President Trump, a voter told South Carolina Congressman Tom Rice his decision was "inexcusable."

    "Next time around, I don't think you're going to get elected," said his Myrtle Beach constituent, from the district Rice has represented since 2013. "I'm not happy with you. And I certainly won't vote for you again. So if you can figure out some way to redeem yourself, I'm all ears."

    But the next caller, an 80-year-old woman, commended Rice for the "tremendous courage" he showed by voting for impeachment.

    "If you want a Congressman that is going to bow down to bullies… that'll go along with the crowd, 'Oh, everybody else on this side voted this way, so I better vote that way so people back home don't question me — if that's the guy you want, then I'm not your guy," Rice said.

    "But if you want somebody who's gonna stand up for what's right, and protect our Constitution like I took an oath to do, then I am your guy."

    For Rice and the nine other House Republicans who voted for impeachment, Mr. Trump's rally speech before the attack at the Capitol and his long silence as rioters breached the building was reason enough to join Democrats in impeaching the president a second time.

    But their decision was met with an immediate backlash from many constituents, local parties and their Republican colleagues.

    Six out of the eight county Republican chairs in Dan Newhouse's Washington district have called for his resignation (Newhouse said in a statement he will not resign).

    Three of the Republicans who voted for impeachment are already facing primary challenges. In Wyoming, three candidates filed to challenge Representative Liz Cheney, the third-ranking House Republican. In his campaign announcement, state Senator Anthony Bouchard said Cheney's impeachment vote shows "just how out of touch she is with Wyoming."

     

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    Voters ... Voices.

    In his first phone town hall since voting to impeach former President Trump, a voter told South Carolina Congressman Tom Rice his decision was "inexcusable."

    "Next time around, I don't think you're going to get elected," said his Myrtle Beach constituent, from the district Rice has represented since 2013. "I'm not happy with you. And I certainly won't vote for you again. So if you can figure out some way to redeem yourself, I'm all ears."

    But the next caller, an 80-year-old woman, commended Rice for the "tremendous courage" he showed by voting for impeachment.

    "If you want a Congressman that is going to bow down to bullies… that'll go along with the crowd, 'Oh, everybody else on this side voted this way, so I better vote that way so people back home don't question me — if that's the guy you want, then I'm not your guy," Rice said.

    "But if you want somebody who's gonna stand up for what's right, and protect our Constitution like I took an oath to do, then I am your guy."

    For Rice and the nine other House Republicans who voted for impeachment, Mr. Trump's rally speech before the attack at the Capitol and his long silence as rioters breached the building was reason enough to join Democrats in impeaching the president a second time.

    But their decision was met with an immediate backlash from many constituents, local parties and their Republican colleagues.

    Six out of the eight county Republican chairs in Dan Newhouse's Washington district have called for his resignation (Newhouse said in a statement he will not resign).

    Three of the Republicans who voted for impeachment are already facing primary challenges. In Wyoming, three candidates filed to challenge Representative Liz Cheney, the third-ranking House Republican. In his campaign announcement, state Senator Anthony Bouchard said Cheney's impeachment vote shows "just how out of touch she is with Wyoming."

     

     
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    In strategists terms their is a window of opportunity.

    With the potential third party candidate running as an independent right to the traditional top candidate.

    The vote can split and a Democrat has great potential to pick up seats that have little contested effort. 

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    In strategists terms their is a window of opportunity.

    With the potential third party candidate running as an independent right to the traditional top candidate.

    The vote can split and a Democrat has great potential to pick up seats that have little contested effort. 

     
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    Layman's terms.

    Cheney red district in Wyoming has a great chance to shift to a blue representation with the greatest plurality going for the Democratic conservative option .

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    Layman's terms.

    Cheney red district in Wyoming has a great chance to shift to a blue representation with the greatest plurality going for the Democratic conservative option .

     
     
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    The Republican Party is on the verge of political suicide. By fighting over whether or not to stand by Trump they continue to drive the middle away from the party. Those catering to Trump and the radical right are trying to hold that base while driving out middle-of-the-road voters that actually decide elections.

    Look, if you draw a line graph of where voters are going you can, in any balanced era, put 10/15% on the far radical right and 10/15% on the far radical left; leaving 70/80% of the people as the middle. Simple enough, but if you realize that the vast majority of those people are going to slide left or right depending on which party is currently looking the MOST radical and MOST idiot. Since most elections land with winner garnering 51/55% of the vote, it is clearly the MIDDLE of the road American voter that holds the power and falling in love with the radical right/left is almost always the best way to LOSE elections. The vast majority of voters do not want radical, they want stability, consistency, and a calm, steady course of affairs.

    So, while half the Republican Party thinks they can not live without Trump, the other half is eager to dump him and move on. The Trump "base" is not large or powerful enough to carry an election without the middle of the road Republican Party members along for the ride, and influence among soft and middle of the road Democrats to help. Three party politics may work in parliamentarianism type governments, where coalitions are built, but in our representative republic there is no way a split party gets enough seats to influence legislation.  

    By all means Donnie boy, continue to split your party or threaten a third-party campaign. Not only will "Trumpism" be dead in the water, but you may do damage that will last for years afterward. Get off the ego trip and let the sensible part of the party regain respect.

    peace 

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    The Republican Party is on the verge of political suicide. By fighting over whether or not to stand by Trump they continue to drive the middle away from the party. Those catering to Trump and the radical right are trying to hold that base while driving out middle-of-the-road voters that actually decide elections.

    Look, if you draw a line graph of where voters are going you can, in any balanced era, put 10/15% on the far radical right and 10/15% on the far radical left; leaving 70/80% of the people as the middle. Simple enough, but if you realize that the vast majority of those people are going to slide left or right depending on which party is currently looking the MOST radical and MOST idiot. Since most elections land with winner garnering 51/55% of the vote, it is clearly the MIDDLE of the road American voter that holds the power and falling in love with the radical right/left is almost always the best way to LOSE elections. The vast majority of voters do not want radical, they want stability, consistency, and a calm, steady course of affairs.

    So, while half the Republican Party thinks they can not live without Trump, the other half is eager to dump him and move on. The Trump "base" is not large or powerful enough to carry an election without the middle of the road Republican Party members along for the ride, and influence among soft and middle of the road Democrats to help. Three party politics may work in parliamentarianism type governments, where coalitions are built, but in our representative republic there is no way a split party gets enough seats to influence legislation.  

    By all means Donnie boy, continue to split your party or threaten a third-party campaign. Not only will "Trumpism" be dead in the water, but you may do damage that will last for years afterward. Get off the ego trip and let the sensible part of the party regain respect.

    peace 

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