I truly believe MAGA supporters are trying to end our 340 year experiment with democracy and seem very fond of Urban in Hungary and Putin in Russia. I want to be clear that if MAGA is knowingly helping Russia, I doubt they are doing it because of ideology or loyalty to Russia. I believe the figure heads they are doing it to get rich.
MAGA is part of a massive effort by Russia to undermine and where possible destroy Western democracy. Which is happening now and has been for years, with plenty of evidence to support it. They don’t need to “take over” America; they just need it weak and divided. And boy, are they succeeding in achieving this.
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I truly believe MAGA supporters are trying to end our 340 year experiment with democracy and seem very fond of Urban in Hungary and Putin in Russia. I want to be clear that if MAGA is knowingly helping Russia, I doubt they are doing it because of ideology or loyalty to Russia. I believe the figure heads they are doing it to get rich.
MAGA is part of a massive effort by Russia to undermine and where possible destroy Western democracy. Which is happening now and has been for years, with plenty of evidence to support it. They don’t need to “take over” America; they just need it weak and divided. And boy, are they succeeding in achieving this.
I mean can I be the first to say tinfoil hat ? Or conspiracy theorist ?
listen Joe I respect you because in my opinion you’ve always been a stand up guy round these parts . But can you please further explain yourself on this subject in greater detail ?
by the way you look handsome in that shirt .
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I mean can I be the first to say tinfoil hat ? Or conspiracy theorist ?
listen Joe I respect you because in my opinion you’ve always been a stand up guy round these parts . But can you please further explain yourself on this subject in greater detail ?
Current GOP is one of the most anti-democratic political parties among western countries. MAGA republicans are radical extremists who are hostile toward democracy. They support Trump big lie about stolen elections despite no proof. They embrace political violence. For example, January 6 attack on capitol. They refuse to accept results of fair elections and undermine public faith in democracy. They want restrictive laws to make voting harder. They embrace authoritarianism. For example, strong leader who bend rules and use force to preserve hierarchy. Republicans didn't care about Trump abuse of power in two impeachments. Political compromise isn't tolerated even if it results in dysfunctional government. Polls show most Americans see GOP as a threat to democracy.
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Current GOP is one of the most anti-democratic political parties among western countries. MAGA republicans are radical extremists who are hostile toward democracy. They support Trump big lie about stolen elections despite no proof. They embrace political violence. For example, January 6 attack on capitol. They refuse to accept results of fair elections and undermine public faith in democracy. They want restrictive laws to make voting harder. They embrace authoritarianism. For example, strong leader who bend rules and use force to preserve hierarchy. Republicans didn't care about Trump abuse of power in two impeachments. Political compromise isn't tolerated even if it results in dysfunctional government. Polls show most Americans see GOP as a threat to democracy.
Well let’s look at the cast of characters Trump is about Trump. He’s a fifth columnist insofar as he colludes with Russia and sells out to the Saudis or whoever will direct funds to him. But it’s not like he has any special ideological affinity with Turkey, the Saudis, or Russia. Trump is just open to the highest bidder. Paul Manafort was not a useful idiot. He was an unregistered lobbyist who was jailed for breaking the law and is inching back with the Trump relection campaign, Dozens of MAGA podcasters have been linked to Russian funding. Marjorie Taylor Green is absolutely fine undermining US interests in the security of Europe so long as it helps them and her retain power here in the states. Whether Tucker Carlson receives funds from Russia is as yet unclear but would anyone be surprised? One has to wonder when he visits North Korea and Trumps pen pal Rocket man. We could go on and on with the endless group of leaches Trump attracts!
I don’t think anyone involved in the MAGA campaign cares if money came from Satan himself, and as long as it isn’t traceable, they would not care because, as they always say about Trump himself, it doesn’t matter if the tool/weapon is tainted, as long as they can use it to destroy their enemies. Democracy is MAGA’s enemy!
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Well let’s look at the cast of characters Trump is about Trump. He’s a fifth columnist insofar as he colludes with Russia and sells out to the Saudis or whoever will direct funds to him. But it’s not like he has any special ideological affinity with Turkey, the Saudis, or Russia. Trump is just open to the highest bidder. Paul Manafort was not a useful idiot. He was an unregistered lobbyist who was jailed for breaking the law and is inching back with the Trump relection campaign, Dozens of MAGA podcasters have been linked to Russian funding. Marjorie Taylor Green is absolutely fine undermining US interests in the security of Europe so long as it helps them and her retain power here in the states. Whether Tucker Carlson receives funds from Russia is as yet unclear but would anyone be surprised? One has to wonder when he visits North Korea and Trumps pen pal Rocket man. We could go on and on with the endless group of leaches Trump attracts!
I don’t think anyone involved in the MAGA campaign cares if money came from Satan himself, and as long as it isn’t traceable, they would not care because, as they always say about Trump himself, it doesn’t matter if the tool/weapon is tainted, as long as they can use it to destroy their enemies. Democracy is MAGA’s enemy!
I think Trump does indeed undermine the country sometimes Joe . But with that being said they all do . For you to make this blanket statement without mentioning not one iota about all of the debauchery that goes on within our political system from both sides is a bit misleading in my opinion , and quite partisan .
can you at least admit that both sides have their dirty hands in all types of unsavory businesses and practices ?
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I think Trump does indeed undermine the country sometimes Joe . But with that being said they all do . For you to make this blanket statement without mentioning not one iota about all of the debauchery that goes on within our political system from both sides is a bit misleading in my opinion , and quite partisan .
can you at least admit that both sides have their dirty hands in all types of unsavory businesses and practices ?
I truly believe MAGA supporters are trying to end our 340 year experiment with democracy and seem very fond of Urban in Hungary and Putin in Russia. I want to be clear that if MAGA is knowingly helping Russia, I doubt they are doing it because of ideology or loyalty to Russia. I believe the figure heads they are doing it to get rich. MAGA is part of a massive effort by Russia to undermine and where possible destroy Western democracy. Which is happening now and has been for years, with plenty of evidence to support it. They don’t need to “take over” America; they just need it weak and divided. And boy, are they succeeding in achieving this.
I think you're confusing "maga" with democrats. Who is allowing our country to be invaded? Who helped Russia with their pipeline?
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Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:
I truly believe MAGA supporters are trying to end our 340 year experiment with democracy and seem very fond of Urban in Hungary and Putin in Russia. I want to be clear that if MAGA is knowingly helping Russia, I doubt they are doing it because of ideology or loyalty to Russia. I believe the figure heads they are doing it to get rich. MAGA is part of a massive effort by Russia to undermine and where possible destroy Western democracy. Which is happening now and has been for years, with plenty of evidence to support it. They don’t need to “take over” America; they just need it weak and divided. And boy, are they succeeding in achieving this.
I think you're confusing "maga" with democrats. Who is allowing our country to be invaded? Who helped Russia with their pipeline?
Well let’s look at the cast of characters Trump is about Trump. He’s a fifth columnist insofar as he colludes with Russia and sells out to the Saudis or whoever will direct funds to him. But it’s not like he has any special ideological affinity with Turkey, the Saudis, or Russia. Trump is just open to the highest bidder. Paul Manafort was not a useful idiot. He was an unregistered lobbyist who was jailed for breaking the law and is inching back with the Trump relection campaign, Dozens of MAGA podcasters have been linked to Russian funding. Marjorie Taylor Green is absolutely fine undermining US interests in the security of Europe so long as it helps them and her retain power here in the states. Whether Tucker Carlson receives funds from Russia is as yet unclear but would anyone be surprised? One has to wonder when he visits North Korea and Trumps pen pal Rocket man. We could go on and on with the endless group of leaches Trump attracts! I don’t think anyone involved in the MAGA campaign cares if money came from Satan himself, and as long as it isn’t traceable, they would not care because, as they always say about Trump himself, it doesn’t matter if the tool/weapon is tainted, as long as they can use it to destroy their enemies.
Democracy is MAGA’s enemy!
@joe pockets
That. And so much more.
To it I would add, that 'truth' is the #1 enemy of the MAGA movement nationwide.
We'll see that on full display again tonight on ABC at 9 ET
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Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:
Well let’s look at the cast of characters Trump is about Trump. He’s a fifth columnist insofar as he colludes with Russia and sells out to the Saudis or whoever will direct funds to him. But it’s not like he has any special ideological affinity with Turkey, the Saudis, or Russia. Trump is just open to the highest bidder. Paul Manafort was not a useful idiot. He was an unregistered lobbyist who was jailed for breaking the law and is inching back with the Trump relection campaign, Dozens of MAGA podcasters have been linked to Russian funding. Marjorie Taylor Green is absolutely fine undermining US interests in the security of Europe so long as it helps them and her retain power here in the states. Whether Tucker Carlson receives funds from Russia is as yet unclear but would anyone be surprised? One has to wonder when he visits North Korea and Trumps pen pal Rocket man. We could go on and on with the endless group of leaches Trump attracts! I don’t think anyone involved in the MAGA campaign cares if money came from Satan himself, and as long as it isn’t traceable, they would not care because, as they always say about Trump himself, it doesn’t matter if the tool/weapon is tainted, as long as they can use it to destroy their enemies.
Democracy is MAGA’s enemy!
@joe pockets
That. And so much more.
To it I would add, that 'truth' is the #1 enemy of the MAGA movement nationwide.
We'll see that on full display again tonight on ABC at 9 ET
Gee whiz there’s a lot of slandering going on in here to a certain demographic of this forum’s member pool . Really ? Anyone ? You used the terminology “ Anyone “ ?
Come on . Too many absolutes . You guys need to use different words . In order to give yourself some wiggle room . Too partisan in my opinion . Bad red highligting right there .
How about some ? A few ? Damn I’ll even let it slide if you put most . But anyone ? And metaphoring it with Satan . Good God ……
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Gee whiz there’s a lot of slandering going on in here to a certain demographic of this forum’s member pool . Really ? Anyone ? You used the terminology “ Anyone “ ?
Come on . Too many absolutes . You guys need to use different words . In order to give yourself some wiggle room . Too partisan in my opinion . Bad red highligting right there .
How about some ? A few ? Damn I’ll even let it slide if you put most . But anyone ? And metaphoring it with Satan . Good God ……
@spockgato Just listen to the rhetoric at any of the MAGA rallies! Tell me how the words and tone & message is different from the fascism that had enormous and very pubic support in the USA and Britain among the elites prior to WWII. The Nazis were able to fill a 20,000 seat arena for a Bund rally in New York just before the war. History is repeating itself before our eyes and for many they are being flim flamed by a treacherous crook!
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@spockgato Just listen to the rhetoric at any of the MAGA rallies! Tell me how the words and tone & message is different from the fascism that had enormous and very pubic support in the USA and Britain among the elites prior to WWII. The Nazis were able to fill a 20,000 seat arena for a Bund rally in New York just before the war. History is repeating itself before our eyes and for many they are being flim flamed by a treacherous crook!
You’re whisking in too much hyperbole into your marinade . You have enough ingredients to make your meal delicious as is without its addition . It’s not necessary . It gives off a bad aftertaste .
You make your points well enough just stating your facts without going overboard and bringing up Nazis and the like . That’s disrespectful to my brothers who suffered upon their hands . It is insulting . This is not my opinion . I bring these arguments produced here within these pages to my colleagues . A few of them are Jewish . They scoff at those analogies . I’ve heard their stories and I must agree with them here . You are too flamboyant and careless with the terminology that you wish to throw around as if it some sort of easily replaceable plastic frisbee . All this was said with respect and not meant in an attacking tone .
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You’re whisking in too much hyperbole into your marinade . You have enough ingredients to make your meal delicious as is without its addition . It’s not necessary . It gives off a bad aftertaste .
You make your points well enough just stating your facts without going overboard and bringing up Nazis and the like . That’s disrespectful to my brothers who suffered upon their hands . It is insulting . This is not my opinion . I bring these arguments produced here within these pages to my colleagues . A few of them are Jewish . They scoff at those analogies . I’ve heard their stories and I must agree with them here . You are too flamboyant and careless with the terminology that you wish to throw around as if it some sort of easily replaceable plastic frisbee . All this was said with respect and not meant in an attacking tone .
There is a starting place for every fire ! Trump has referred many times to “military tribunals,” and the strong hands that will also repair “American carnage.” As he depicts a fateful struggle for the soul of the country! January 6th 2020 was Trumps attempt to have a “Reichstag fire“ but he didn’t have the horse power to get it done! He promises daily to arrest politicians who oppose him in the event he get lucky and wins the November election!
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@spockgato
There is a starting place for every fire ! Trump has referred many times to “military tribunals,” and the strong hands that will also repair “American carnage.” As he depicts a fateful struggle for the soul of the country! January 6th 2020 was Trumps attempt to have a “Reichstag fire“ but he didn’t have the horse power to get it done! He promises daily to arrest politicians who oppose him in the event he get lucky and wins the November election!
Listen I’m not altogether against what you are saying just how you are saying it .
With the words and comparisons that you are using you are building an immense heat , and that inflammatory language that you are so frivolously bandying about helps to grow the palpable pressure inside people that seeps out into the actions they choose to do in their everyday lives .
you by using that syntax , and those analogies , are doing the exact opposite that your message or plea hopes to remedy , because you are causing unnecessary animosity and strengthening the divide between “ sides “ ….
you can’t innocently just place everyone underneath a label like you did .
“ anyone “ ?
come on ? Really ? You don’t believe anyone that is GOP or whatever you call it Maga cares if campaign money came from Satan himself ?
sorry man . I like you . But I’m calling bullshit on that . That’s not right . You guys are just getting too cavalier with the way you unjustly want to state things .
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Listen I’m not altogether against what you are saying just how you are saying it .
With the words and comparisons that you are using you are building an immense heat , and that inflammatory language that you are so frivolously bandying about helps to grow the palpable pressure inside people that seeps out into the actions they choose to do in their everyday lives .
you by using that syntax , and those analogies , are doing the exact opposite that your message or plea hopes to remedy , because you are causing unnecessary animosity and strengthening the divide between “ sides “ ….
you can’t innocently just place everyone underneath a label like you did .
“ anyone “ ?
come on ? Really ? You don’t believe anyone that is GOP or whatever you call it Maga cares if campaign money came from Satan himself ?
sorry man . I like you . But I’m calling bullshit on that . That’s not right . You guys are just getting too cavalier with the way you unjustly want to state things .
I am not watching, the ABC clucks involved are not going to keep a whip on Trump so it is likely he will try and bully the event. Is this the best ABC has to run it? You need someone that will crack the whip and not allow meandering and nonsense or thugish slander/sexist crap that Trump pulled in the past. I would rather go for a run than watch the extremist junk that Trump will toss out.
More valuable things to do in life than to spend time mucking through this farce.
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@Midnight1
I am not watching, the ABC clucks involved are not going to keep a whip on Trump so it is likely he will try and bully the event. Is this the best ABC has to run it? You need someone that will crack the whip and not allow meandering and nonsense or thugish slander/sexist crap that Trump pulled in the past. I would rather go for a run than watch the extremist junk that Trump will toss out.
More valuable things to do in life than to spend time mucking through this farce.
....where the rapist/CONVICTED FELON - who is the hero of the republican party - is expected to receive first place for most number of verifiable exaggerations, half-truths, falsehoods, misrepresentations, misinformation, and outright LIES....besting Harris in that area by at least 3 to 1.
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Is there anything on TV tonight?
YEP! The FACT CHECKER's GALA Event of 2024,
LIVE on ABC or CNN or MSNBC at 9pm ET!
....where the rapist/CONVICTED FELON - who is the hero of the republican party - is expected to receive first place for most number of verifiable exaggerations, half-truths, falsehoods, misrepresentations, misinformation, and outright LIES....besting Harris in that area by at least 3 to 1.
Tommy Tuberville says Democrats better do as he says or Republicans will try to overthrow the government again. What has happened to Americans that they vote for vile angry self centered people like this mutant ?
Tommy Tuberville says Democrats better do as he says or Republicans will try to overthrow the government again. What has happened to Americans that they vote for vile angry self centered people like this mutant ?
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