I’m convinced that two, possibly three, of the justices have been doing more homework for this case than they ever have before, searching every text possible for a precedent or philosophy they can write into the record ! Personally I feel the fix has been in since day one for Alito and Thomas, with Gorsich as a maybe. Jmho ….Thomases wife would be very happy if so!
@joe pockets
it was intresting day they really cant grant absolute criminal immunity so it looks like they will punt
@joe pockets
Certainly possible
I just heard a clip on Fox of Trump arguing that immunity is necessary for any future hypothetical president, or else they’d just be a figurehead, unable to take any necessary risks.
The obvious counter-argument is, of course: why has this never been a problem for any of the previous 44 presidents in the last 235 years? I have to hand it to Trump he has exposed by his own doing how far up corruption go’s….To the highest Judges in the land !
CNN —
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell
stood by his past comments that presidents
should not have absolute immunity from
criminal prosecution for their actions while in office.
The obvious counter-argument is, of course: why has this never been a problem for any of the previous 44 presidents in the last 235 years? I have to hand it to Trump he has exposed by his own doing how far up corruption go’s….To the highest Judges in the land !
@joe pockets
Key counter-argument for sure!
It should be a reasonable position that a president should be immune from certain acts within his official capacity --> WHICH IN NO DIRECT WAY BENEFITS HIM PERSONALLY (includes vengeance, monetary gain, holding on to power, etc)
Unofficial acts (private/personal) would be outside the domain of immunity and subject to prosecution.
Disturbing that republican supreme court shows a willingness to sacrifice any law or principle to protect Trump. One of the signs of a failing democracy is a weak judicial system under heavy political influence. A democracy only works if it express the will of the majority. But GOP is committed to autocratic rule by any means.
@thirdperson
One of the signs of a failing democracy is a weak judicial system under heavy political influence
Absolutely 3rd
I'm glad to see we agree on this 100%...... the overtly heavy political influences on and within our judicial system we've seen over the past 12 months is obviously a tremendous cause for concern
Interesting you mention Democracy again and the rule of the majority..... you must've missed my previous post addressing the fallacies in your statement:
@thirdperson
In a democracy, the majority is supposed to overrule the minority.
I found a major immediate flaw in this statement and wondered what an A.I. response would give me if I asked about the accuracy of our cesspool forum resident A.I.'s statement above.
So I asked Chat GPT 3.5 the following question, "is the following statement true? In a democracy, the majority is supposed to overrule the minority"
Here is the response:
The statement "In a democracy, the majority is supposed to overrule the minority" captures a basic principle of democracy but is overly simplistic and requires some nuance. In democratic systems, majority rule is a common mechanism for making decisions, particularly in electoral processes and legislative voting. The idea is that policies and leaders that receive the support of a majority of voters or representatives are chosen to lead or to be implemented.
However, true democratic systems also incorporate protections for minorities to prevent what is often referred to as the "tyranny of the majority." This means that while the majority's choice typically determines the outcome of elections and many policy decisions, there are built-in safeguards to protect the rights and interests of minority groups. These protections can include:
Constitutional rights and freedoms: Most democracies have constitutions or legal frameworks that guarantee fundamental rights to all citizens, regardless of their status as part of a majority or minority group. This can include freedom of speech, religion, and assembly, which help minority voices to be heard and respected.
Checks and balances: Democracies usually have multiple branches of government (e.g., executive, legislative, and judicial) that check each other's powers. This system can prevent any single group from having too much power, including a majority group.
Judicial review: Courts in democratic systems often have the power to overturn laws or executive actions that violate constitutional principles, even if those laws were supported by the majority.
Federalism and local governance: In many democracies, power is distributed across various levels of government — federal, state, and local — which can help address specific minority concerns at different levels.
Proportional representation: Some democratic countries use electoral systems that aim to allocate seats in the legislature proportionally based on the votes each party receives, as opposed to winner-takes-all systems. This often results in better representation for smaller or minority groups.
Therefore, while the majority does play a critical role in decision-making within democracies, a robust democratic system also ensures that the rights and interests of minorities are protected. This balance is crucial to maintaining a fair, just, and stable society.
@kcblitzkrieg
Oh horse shit ! Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong! its unbelievable that Supreme Court justices who see forgiving student loans, mandating vaccines, and regulating climate change as a slippery slope toward tyranny were not clear-eyed on questions of whether a president could execute citizens or stage a coup without being prosecuted! There is one word to describe there logic CORRUPTION!
@Zeus4par
It’s obviously Thomas and Alito will side with the president. They are hopeless. I think Kavanaugh will, too, but Barrett seems to be on the no-immunity side for now. I have to believe that Roberts will be, too, although I missed any questions he posed, if any. So, my guess is 5-4 that Trump is not immune.
I can’t think of any Democratic president in my lifetime who would have ever considering taking advantage of absolute immunity (or any Republican except Trump, and possibly Nixon in the right circumstances). I’m so happy that when Trump came pandered the democrats for backing, They shunned him !
@joe pockets
Oh horse shit ! Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong! its unbelievable that Supreme Court justices who see forgiving student loans, mandating vaccines, and regulating climate change as a slippery slope toward tyranny were not clear-eyed on questions of whether a president could execute citizens or stage a coup without being prosecuted! There is one word to describe there logic CORRUPTION!
So what you are saying here JP is that you have a problem with the SCOTUS....understood, that is your right as an individual American citizen (if you're American idk, cool either way).
From what I understand, the lower DC court had a unanimous ruling that sent this to SCOTUS. They have yet to publish their written opinion on their decision to send it back to the DC circuit court. I don't see how the appeal process would differ at that level its already been ruled at but idk, haven't read too much on these cases.
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