After Barack Obama and John McCain stop talking on the
debate stage Friday night, their surrogates will start spinning. But
one high-profile supporter of Mr. McCain will be missing: his running
mate Sarah Palin.
Spinning on behalf of the Democrats on Friday night will be Joe
Biden, Mr. Obama's running mate. He is expected to appear live on NBC,
CBS, and CNN immediately following the debate, representatives of those
networks said on Friday.
Out of her league?!?
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To remove first post, remove entire topic.
After Barack Obama and John McCain stop talking on the
debate stage Friday night, their surrogates will start spinning. But
one high-profile supporter of Mr. McCain will be missing: his running
mate Sarah Palin.
Spinning on behalf of the Democrats on Friday night will be Joe
Biden, Mr. Obama's running mate. He is expected to appear live on NBC,
CBS, and CNN immediately following the debate, representatives of those
networks said on Friday.
Not trying to hijack your thread but this is a good read (I think):
Who Won The Debate:
1. 30 seconds are more important than 90 minutes. Although tens of millions of people will watch the debate, most everyone will forget the bulk of it immediately. The lasting impression of the debate for most voters will be the two or three exchanges -- usually less than 15 seconds long -- that are replayed, discussed, and analyzed over and over again. More often than not, whoever gets the best of these moments wins the debate.
For example, in the Des Moines Register debate in mid-December, Obama was asked a pretty tough question: How he could rely on so many former Clinton advisers and still represent a break from the past? Hillary laughed and said, "I want to hear that!" Obama flashed a smile and shot back: "Hillary, I'm looking forward to you advising me as well." It was a pitch-perfect response and catnip for the media, which played the exchange repeatedly for days. Overall, Hillary turned in a very solid performance and demonstrated an impressive command of the issues. But it didn't matter. Obama had won the key 15 seconds and it gave him a critical boost just days before the Iowa caucus.
John Edwards was generally regarded as an excellent debater. So why was it that the debates never seemed to help him much in the polls? He never really did anything memorable. (Quick: name one line Edwards said in a primary debate.) His answers were always smooth, coherent and on message. It didn't do him any good.
Identify who got the better of two or three most memorable exchanges between Obama and McCain and you'll be a long way toward identifying the winner.
2. Mistakes matter, but only some of them. Probably the worst mistake in the Democratic primary debates was Hillary's famous non-answer to a question about drivers licenses for undocumented immigrants. But it wasn't a big mistake because people care deeply about the issue. (When is the last time you've heard driver's licenses mentioned on the campaign trail?) It was important because it fit into a pre-exisiting narrative about Hillary that had been developed by her opponents for some time. Namely, that Hillary is politically calculating and dishonest. Since it reinforced a pre-exisiting narrative it caused Hillary immense damage and sent the campaign into a tailspin from which it never fully recovered.
During the next debate in Nevada, Obama was asked a similar question about drivers licenses for illegal immigrants and gave a similarly meandering answer. Yet, he paid no political price. The reason is simple: no one believed at the time that Obama was dishonest or politically calculating. So a mistake that was debilitating for Hillary was a non-issue for Obama.
In this debate, a mistake on an economic issue will be more damaging to McCain because there is a pre-existing narrative that he isn't knowledgeable or engaged on the economy. Similarly, a mistake on foreign policy would be more damaging to Obama because there is a pre-existing narrative that he may not have the experience to be commander-in-chief.
3. It is a popularity contest. At the end of the day these candidates are trying to get voters to like them. As a result, in many instances, what the candidates say is far less important than how they say it.
During the spring and summer, Obama struggled to gain traction in debates because the delivery of his answers were perceived as detached and professorial. In other words, the things he was saying were smart but he wasn't making friends. In an August debate, Hillary won a lot of admirers when she said with a smile: "For fifteen years, I have stood up against the right-wing machine and I've come out stronger. So if you want a winner who knows how to take them on, I'm your girl!"
The person who is the most relaxed and getting some laughs is usually the winner.
The reason why much of the punditry that follows the debate is inaccurate or irrelevant is that many of the people involved are far more interested in shaping the outcome of the debate than reflecting it. It usually doesn't work, but most give it a shot anyway.
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Yes she is..
Not trying to hijack your thread but this is a good read (I think):
Who Won The Debate:
1. 30 seconds are more important than 90 minutes. Although tens of millions of people will watch the debate, most everyone will forget the bulk of it immediately. The lasting impression of the debate for most voters will be the two or three exchanges -- usually less than 15 seconds long -- that are replayed, discussed, and analyzed over and over again. More often than not, whoever gets the best of these moments wins the debate.
For example, in the Des Moines Register debate in mid-December, Obama was asked a pretty tough question: How he could rely on so many former Clinton advisers and still represent a break from the past? Hillary laughed and said, "I want to hear that!" Obama flashed a smile and shot back: "Hillary, I'm looking forward to you advising me as well." It was a pitch-perfect response and catnip for the media, which played the exchange repeatedly for days. Overall, Hillary turned in a very solid performance and demonstrated an impressive command of the issues. But it didn't matter. Obama had won the key 15 seconds and it gave him a critical boost just days before the Iowa caucus.
John Edwards was generally regarded as an excellent debater. So why was it that the debates never seemed to help him much in the polls? He never really did anything memorable. (Quick: name one line Edwards said in a primary debate.) His answers were always smooth, coherent and on message. It didn't do him any good.
Identify who got the better of two or three most memorable exchanges between Obama and McCain and you'll be a long way toward identifying the winner.
2. Mistakes matter, but only some of them. Probably the worst mistake in the Democratic primary debates was Hillary's famous non-answer to a question about drivers licenses for undocumented immigrants. But it wasn't a big mistake because people care deeply about the issue. (When is the last time you've heard driver's licenses mentioned on the campaign trail?) It was important because it fit into a pre-exisiting narrative about Hillary that had been developed by her opponents for some time. Namely, that Hillary is politically calculating and dishonest. Since it reinforced a pre-exisiting narrative it caused Hillary immense damage and sent the campaign into a tailspin from which it never fully recovered.
During the next debate in Nevada, Obama was asked a similar question about drivers licenses for illegal immigrants and gave a similarly meandering answer. Yet, he paid no political price. The reason is simple: no one believed at the time that Obama was dishonest or politically calculating. So a mistake that was debilitating for Hillary was a non-issue for Obama.
In this debate, a mistake on an economic issue will be more damaging to McCain because there is a pre-existing narrative that he isn't knowledgeable or engaged on the economy. Similarly, a mistake on foreign policy would be more damaging to Obama because there is a pre-existing narrative that he may not have the experience to be commander-in-chief.
3. It is a popularity contest. At the end of the day these candidates are trying to get voters to like them. As a result, in many instances, what the candidates say is far less important than how they say it.
During the spring and summer, Obama struggled to gain traction in debates because the delivery of his answers were perceived as detached and professorial. In other words, the things he was saying were smart but he wasn't making friends. In an August debate, Hillary won a lot of admirers when she said with a smile: "For fifteen years, I have stood up against the right-wing machine and I've come out stronger. So if you want a winner who knows how to take them on, I'm your girl!"
The person who is the most relaxed and getting some laughs is usually the winner.
The reason why much of the punditry that follows the debate is inaccurate or irrelevant is that many of the people involved are far more interested in shaping the outcome of the debate than reflecting it. It usually doesn't work, but most give it a shot anyway.
Bama got boat raced. Until tonight I thought at the least he was a good speaker. The stammering and stuttering was hard to take. I actually felt bad for him. Perhaps there will be a community organizer spot available for him somewhere. Just outright embarrassing.
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Bama got boat raced. Until tonight I thought at the least he was a good speaker. The stammering and stuttering was hard to take. I actually felt bad for him. Perhaps there will be a community organizer spot available for him somewhere. Just outright embarrassing.
While Obama did not perform as well as he did during his speeches he did fine. I marked him a slight winner, and the undecideds polled have a totally different view to you.
Although your opinion is biased, so are many others here. Spinning shit like this isn't going to have any affect. You are preaching to the converted, or guys who aren't going to vote for him anyway
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Take the blinkers off mate.
While Obama did not perform as well as he did during his speeches he did fine. I marked him a slight winner, and the undecideds polled have a totally different view to you.
Although your opinion is biased, so are many others here. Spinning shit like this isn't going to have any affect. You are preaching to the converted, or guys who aren't going to vote for him anyway
Actually was at a debate party tonight so I missed all the Covers action.......you guys need to get out more often
Cannot recall the last 'supposed debate' where one of the antagonists simply did not look at the other participant.
What the hell is wrong with McCain? When you speak to someone...you look at him....that type of body language is what makes debates worth watching.
McPOW would stand there blinking away...looking down...looking away, while Obama would actually try and engage 'John' in some honest back-and-forth....that is what Lehrer was after..."you guys have been sniping at each other for months..here's a chance to set the record straight".
What would McCain do if he ever talked to I'maDinnerJacket from Iran...stare into his glass of water?
McCain presidential? pfffftttt.
Look the guy in the eye and make your point.
McCain did badly in that aspect of this engagement.
Round 1 to Obama.
Queen of Alaska up next.......gawd this will be worth the price of admission
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Actually was at a debate party tonight so I missed all the Covers action.......you guys need to get out more often
Cannot recall the last 'supposed debate' where one of the antagonists simply did not look at the other participant.
What the hell is wrong with McCain? When you speak to someone...you look at him....that type of body language is what makes debates worth watching.
McPOW would stand there blinking away...looking down...looking away, while Obama would actually try and engage 'John' in some honest back-and-forth....that is what Lehrer was after..."you guys have been sniping at each other for months..here's a chance to set the record straight".
What would McCain do if he ever talked to I'maDinnerJacket from Iran...stare into his glass of water?
McCain presidential? pfffftttt.
Look the guy in the eye and make your point.
McCain did badly in that aspect of this engagement.
Round 1 to Obama.
Queen of Alaska up next.......gawd this will be worth the price of admission
After Barack Obama and John McCain stop talking on the debate stage Friday night, their surrogates will start spinning. But one high-profile supporter of Mr. McCain will be missing: his running mate Sarah Palin.
Spinning on behalf of the Democrats on Friday night will be Joe Biden, Mr. Obama's running mate. He is expected to appear live on NBC, CBS, and CNN immediately following the debate, representatives of those networks said on Friday.
Out of her league?!?
Pretty sad when a candidate can't even trust his running mate to open his/her mouth. She is so stupid it's better not to say anything than to say something stupid.
AMERICA FIRST MY ASS... he can't trust her to speak after a debate, but will leave the moron to run our country. What a CLASSLESS ASS!!
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Quote Originally Posted by boogreenz:
After Barack Obama and John McCain stop talking on the debate stage Friday night, their surrogates will start spinning. But one high-profile supporter of Mr. McCain will be missing: his running mate Sarah Palin.
Spinning on behalf of the Democrats on Friday night will be Joe Biden, Mr. Obama's running mate. He is expected to appear live on NBC, CBS, and CNN immediately following the debate, representatives of those networks said on Friday.
Out of her league?!?
Pretty sad when a candidate can't even trust his running mate to open his/her mouth. She is so stupid it's better not to say anything than to say something stupid.
AMERICA FIRST MY ASS... he can't trust her to speak after a debate, but will leave the moron to run our country. What a CLASSLESS ASS!!
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