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    Obama's NSA Violated Privacy Protections

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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 12:14 PM ET #1

    The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama frequently violated privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts – and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until late last fall, Circa reported Wednesday.

    According to the outlet, declassified documents unveil serious constitutional abuses by the intelligence community – showing more than 5 percent of searches seeking internet data on Americans inside the NSA's controversial Section 702 database violated safeguards.

    The Obama administration disclosed the problems at a closed-door hearing last Oct. 26 before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, Circa reported.

    The court even rebuked administration officials, saying the failure to disclose the extent of the violations earlier amounted to an "institutional lack of candor" and the improper searches constituted a "very serious Fourth Amendment issue," Circa reported, citing a court document from April.

    Circa has reported there was a three-fold increase in NSA data searches about Americans – and a rise in the unmasking of American citizens' identities – since 2011 when so-called minimization rule changes were made by the Obama administration.

    "If we determine this to be true, this is an enormous abuse of power," Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., told Fox News, per Circa. "This will dwarf all other stories. There are hundreds and hundreds of people."

    The American Civil Liberties Union called the lack of oversight "shocking."

    "You have these problems going on for years that only come to the attention of the court late in the game, and then it takes additional years to change its practices," said Neema Singh Guliani, the ACLU's legislative counsel in Washington, Circa reported.

    "I think it does call into question all those defenses that we kept hearing, that we always have a robust oversight structure and we have culture of adherence to privacy standards."

    The NSA acknowledged it self-disclosed the mass violations to the court last fall; in April it suspended the type of searches that were violating the rules, even deleting prior collected data on Americans to avoid any further violations, Circa reported.

    "NSA will no longer collect certain internet communications that merely mention a foreign intelligence target," the agency said in the statement dated April 28.

    https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/national-security-agency-privacy-NSA/2017/05/24/id/792192/?ns_mail_uid=29897340&ns_mail_job=1732883_05252017&s=al&dkt_nbr=wledfvxr

    NavyVet • 16 hours ago

    So, now we have declassified court documents confirming what President Trump said early on: Obama spied on him. The article does not say that explicitly, but it is clear Obama is guilty of felonious unAmerican activity, spying on Americans, and candidate Trump would be an obvious target.

    Now, the difference between this and the Trump-Russia-collusion narrative is, there is hard evidence, yet again, of Obama's wrongdoing, yet still none to justify all the investigations and allegations and accusations.

    Rep. Schiff, are you listening? Yoo-hoo, Earth to Rep. Schiff, please pay attention to this, this is real crime with real evidence, not a witch hunt borne of being poor sports and worse statesmen.

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    The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama frequently violated privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts – and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until late last fall, Circa reported Wednesday.

    According to the outlet, declassified documents unveil serious constitutional abuses by the intelligence community – showing more than 5 percent of searches seeking internet data on Americans inside the NSA's controversial Section 702 database violated safeguards.

    The Obama administration disclosed the problems at a closed-door hearing last Oct. 26 before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, Circa reported.

    The court even rebuked administration officials, saying the failure to disclose the extent of the violations earlier amounted to an "institutional lack of candor" and the improper searches constituted a "very serious Fourth Amendment issue," Circa reported, citing a court document from April.

    Circa has reported there was a three-fold increase in NSA data searches about Americans – and a rise in the unmasking of American citizens' identities – since 2011 when so-called minimization rule changes were made by the Obama administration.

    "If we determine this to be true, this is an enormous abuse of power," Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., told Fox News, per Circa. "This will dwarf all other stories. There are hundreds and hundreds of people."

    The American Civil Liberties Union called the lack of oversight "shocking."

    "You have these problems going on for years that only come to the attention of the court late in the game, and then it takes additional years to change its practices," said Neema Singh Guliani, the ACLU's legislative counsel in Washington, Circa reported.

    "I think it does call into question all those defenses that we kept hearing, that we always have a robust oversight structure and we have culture of adherence to privacy standards."

    The NSA acknowledged it self-disclosed the mass violations to the court last fall; in April it suspended the type of searches that were violating the rules, even deleting prior collected data on Americans to avoid any further violations, Circa reported.

    "NSA will no longer collect certain internet communications that merely mention a foreign intelligence target," the agency said in the statement dated April 28.

    https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/national-security-agency-privacy-NSA/2017/05/24/id/792192/?ns_mail_uid=29897340&ns_mail_job=1732883_05252017&s=al&dkt_nbr=wledfvxr

    NavyVet • 16 hours ago

    So, now we have declassified court documents confirming what President Trump said early on: Obama spied on him. The article does not say that explicitly, but it is clear Obama is guilty of felonious unAmerican activity, spying on Americans, and candidate Trump would be an obvious target.

    Now, the difference between this and the Trump-Russia-collusion narrative is, there is hard evidence, yet again, of Obama's wrongdoing, yet still none to justify all the investigations and allegations and accusations.

    Rep. Schiff, are you listening? Yoo-hoo, Earth to Rep. Schiff, please pay attention to this, this is real crime with real evidence, not a witch hunt borne of being poor sports and worse statesmen.

     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 1:59 PM ET #2

    Im starting to think this obama guy wasnt everything he was cracked up to be.
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    Im starting to think this obama guy wasnt everything he was cracked up to be.
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2017 - 7:53 AM ET #3

    Low 0.7% to 5.2% non-compliant rates with privacy protection for internet searches.  NSA, CIA and FBI mostly comply with rules such as obtaining court approval before unmasking of Americans in foreign intelligence reports. 

    Under Bush and Obama, greater latitude have been given so that NSA, CIA and FBI can be more efficient.  Doubtful whether non-compliances can ever be completely eliminated since those agencies have been working on problem for years.  This may be a case of rules versus technology.
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    Low 0.7% to 5.2% non-compliant rates with privacy protection for internet searches.  NSA, CIA and FBI mostly comply with rules such as obtaining court approval before unmasking of Americans in foreign intelligence reports. 

    Under Bush and Obama, greater latitude have been given so that NSA, CIA and FBI can be more efficient.  Doubtful whether non-compliances can ever be completely eliminated since those agencies have been working on problem for years.  This may be a case of rules versus technology.
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2017 - 8:33 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Low 0.7% to 5.2% non-compliant rates with privacy protection for internet searches.  NSA, CIA and FBI mostly comply with rules such as obtaining court approval before unmasking of Americans in foreign intelligence reports. 

    Under Bush and Obama, greater latitude have been given so that NSA, CIA and FBI can be more efficient.  Doubtful whether non-compliances can ever be completely eliminated since those agencies have been working on problem for years.  This may be a case of rules versus technology.


    "NSA, CIA and FBI mostly comply with rules"

    "Mostly"......therein lies the problem...by who's authority is the permission given to the major intelligent agencies to violate the rules?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Low 0.7% to 5.2% non-compliant rates with privacy protection for internet searches.  NSA, CIA and FBI mostly comply with rules such as obtaining court approval before unmasking of Americans in foreign intelligence reports. 

    Under Bush and Obama, greater latitude have been given so that NSA, CIA and FBI can be more efficient.  Doubtful whether non-compliances can ever be completely eliminated since those agencies have been working on problem for years.  This may be a case of rules versus technology.


    "NSA, CIA and FBI mostly comply with rules"

    "Mostly"......therein lies the problem...by who's authority is the permission given to the major intelligent agencies to violate the rules?
     
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2017 - 9:00 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by zelo123:

    So, now we have declassified court documents confirming what President Trump said early on: Obama spied on him. The article does not say that explicitly, but it is clear Obama is guilty of felonious unAmerican activity, spying on Americans, and candidate Trump would be an obvious target.



    Still zero evidence of Obama spying on Trump according to US intelligence.  Getting the identity of an American caught up in legal US surveillance of foreigners is different from an illegal wiretap.

     Unmasking is not spying and not a crime under the law.  Human errors  account for most non-compliances with privacy protection for internet searches.   Besides, NSA, CIA and FBI are independent of the white house
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelo123:

    So, now we have declassified court documents confirming what President Trump said early on: Obama spied on him. The article does not say that explicitly, but it is clear Obama is guilty of felonious unAmerican activity, spying on Americans, and candidate Trump would be an obvious target.



    Still zero evidence of Obama spying on Trump according to US intelligence.  Getting the identity of an American caught up in legal US surveillance of foreigners is different from an illegal wiretap.

     Unmasking is not spying and not a crime under the law.  Human errors  account for most non-compliances with privacy protection for internet searches.   Besides, NSA, CIA and FBI are independent of the white house
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