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    Slumping economy for years?

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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2020 - 9:30 PM ET #1

     SHELL warns of $22 BILLION hit from coronavirus slump
     
     
    Key excerpts from this article: https://tinyurl.com/y9z7yx3q
     
    " The company (Shell) said the changes to its price forecast reflect the economic trauma caused by the coronavirus pandemic, which has plunged countries around the world into recession and sharply reduced demand for energy.
    Some analysts think global demand for oil may never return to its 2019 record high, expecting instead that the the pandemic will permanently reshape the way people live and travel — and that consumers will push companies and governments to address climate change with more urgency.
    Other companies are making changes, too.
    BP (BP) agreed to sell its petrochemicals business for $5 billion on Monday, saying the company's resources would be better deployed elsewhere as it tries to achieve net zero emissions by 2050 or sooner.
    The huge slump in demand for oil and gas this year is pushing many of the industry's biggest companies to accelerate a shift to cleaner fuels. Shell has committed to achieving net zero carbon emissions from its own operations by 2050.
    Said Parker, "But make no mistake, the corporate landscape is changing, and the [major oil companies] are changing with it."
     
    Going forward, notwithstanding the risk of continued covid-19 restrictions and possibly worse in the fall, we can expect international travel to continue to be greatly suppressed and even regional travel.  Thus a continuing trend for much reduced demand for oil....which inturn places several oil companies in peril, let alone all the service suppliers and subsequent portions of local economies relying on a heathy, vibrant oil industry.  I expect more bankruptcies in this sector, including suppliers and small businesses reliant on them.  That means increasing unemployment.
    Reduced travel will hurt the tourism industries and travel industries.  Airlines will continue to hemorrage cash. Tourism/travel companies will fold. Airports and the businesses within them will continue to suffer to the point of collapse in many cases. Hertz went bankrupt, but other companies relying on rental revenues at airports will hurt. Cruise lines are already teetering on bankruptcy. Even taxi companies, many of whom rely heavily on fares from air travellers, will also take a big hit. 
    While I expect travel and tourism to rebound slowly in 2021, and almost fully in 2022, the oil industry will never recover fully.  The Biden government needs to focus on moving the nation toward renewable energy.  Not entirely of course, but a great deal more than now.
     
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     SHELL warns of $22 BILLION hit from coronavirus slump
     
     
    Key excerpts from this article: https://tinyurl.com/y9z7yx3q
     
    " The company (Shell) said the changes to its price forecast reflect the economic trauma caused by the coronavirus pandemic, which has plunged countries around the world into recession and sharply reduced demand for energy.
    Some analysts think global demand for oil may never return to its 2019 record high, expecting instead that the the pandemic will permanently reshape the way people live and travel — and that consumers will push companies and governments to address climate change with more urgency.
    Other companies are making changes, too.
    BP (BP) agreed to sell its petrochemicals business for $5 billion on Monday, saying the company's resources would be better deployed elsewhere as it tries to achieve net zero emissions by 2050 or sooner.
    The huge slump in demand for oil and gas this year is pushing many of the industry's biggest companies to accelerate a shift to cleaner fuels. Shell has committed to achieving net zero carbon emissions from its own operations by 2050.
    Said Parker, "But make no mistake, the corporate landscape is changing, and the [major oil companies] are changing with it."
     
    Going forward, notwithstanding the risk of continued covid-19 restrictions and possibly worse in the fall, we can expect international travel to continue to be greatly suppressed and even regional travel.  Thus a continuing trend for much reduced demand for oil....which inturn places several oil companies in peril, let alone all the service suppliers and subsequent portions of local economies relying on a heathy, vibrant oil industry.  I expect more bankruptcies in this sector, including suppliers and small businesses reliant on them.  That means increasing unemployment.
    Reduced travel will hurt the tourism industries and travel industries.  Airlines will continue to hemorrage cash. Tourism/travel companies will fold. Airports and the businesses within them will continue to suffer to the point of collapse in many cases. Hertz went bankrupt, but other companies relying on rental revenues at airports will hurt. Cruise lines are already teetering on bankruptcy. Even taxi companies, many of whom rely heavily on fares from air travellers, will also take a big hit. 
    While I expect travel and tourism to rebound slowly in 2021, and almost fully in 2022, the oil industry will never recover fully.  The Biden government needs to focus on moving the nation toward renewable energy.  Not entirely of course, but a great deal more than now.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2020 - 11:56 PM ET #2

    the future istoo uncertain, butmaybe we can rebound much quicker if they find a working vaccine by christmas

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    the future istoo uncertain, butmaybe we can rebound much quicker if they find a working vaccine by christmas

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2020 - 2:02 AM ET #3

    Fubah2 is right.   Almost 160 countries pledge to use 100% renewable energy in the future.  But US is falling behind other countries in transition to a clean energy future according to World economic forum.  Trump administration fails to revive coal industry despite massive subsidies and weakening of environmental regulations.  In the long term, better to prepare for economies and technologies of the future instead of trying to save obsolete industries in decline.  23 governors ask Trump adminstration to toughen emissions regulation.  Even US auto industry wants emissions regulations otherwise they won't be competitive in future global market.

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    Fubah2 is right.   Almost 160 countries pledge to use 100% renewable energy in the future.  But US is falling behind other countries in transition to a clean energy future according to World economic forum.  Trump administration fails to revive coal industry despite massive subsidies and weakening of environmental regulations.  In the long term, better to prepare for economies and technologies of the future instead of trying to save obsolete industries in decline.  23 governors ask Trump adminstration to toughen emissions regulation.  Even US auto industry wants emissions regulations otherwise they won't be competitive in future global market.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2020 - 3:36 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Fubah2 is right.   Almost 160 countries pledge to use 100% renewable energy in the future.  But US is falling behind other countries in transition to a clean energy future according to World economic forum.  Trump administration fails to revive coal industry despite massive subsidies and weakening of environmental regulations.  In the long term, better to prepare for economies and technologies of the future instead of trying to save obsolete industries in decline.  23 governors ask Trump adminstration to toughen emissions regulation.  Even US auto industry wants emissions regulations otherwise they won't be competitive in future global market.
    the future is much more renewable energy.we should be leading this

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Fubah2 is right.   Almost 160 countries pledge to use 100% renewable energy in the future.  But US is falling behind other countries in transition to a clean energy future according to World economic forum.  Trump administration fails to revive coal industry despite massive subsidies and weakening of environmental regulations.  In the long term, better to prepare for economies and technologies of the future instead of trying to save obsolete industries in decline.  23 governors ask Trump adminstration to toughen emissions regulation.  Even US auto industry wants emissions regulations otherwise they won't be competitive in future global market.
    the future is much more renewable energy.we should be leading this

     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2020 - 3:16 PM ET #5

    UNemployment rate won't recover for the next decade, CBO projects

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    "America's recovery from the pandemic recession could last through the better part of

    the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office's 10-year forecast published Thursday.

    The Covid-19 outbreak and subsequent lockdown has brought the economy to a stop,
    and even though states are slowly reopening, it will be a tough next decade as the country
    recovers from this recession, according to the CBO.
     
    On top of that, the forecast is riddled with uncertainty in terms of the virus itself,
    changes to consumer behavior and policy responses, the CBO cautioned."
     
    Source: https://tinyurl.com/y8e9xf6c
     
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    UNemployment rate won't recover for the next decade, CBO projects

    Exerpts from article:

     

    "America's recovery from the pandemic recession could last through the better part of

    the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office's 10-year forecast published Thursday.

    The Covid-19 outbreak and subsequent lockdown has brought the economy to a stop,
    and even though states are slowly reopening, it will be a tough next decade as the country
    recovers from this recession, according to the CBO.
     
    On top of that, the forecast is riddled with uncertainty in terms of the virus itself,
    changes to consumer behavior and policy responses, the CBO cautioned."
     
    Source: https://tinyurl.com/y8e9xf6c
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2020 - 3:30 PM ET #6

    That all depends if Trump wins or loses. He wins, quick recovery. Trump loses, democrats grind out the middle class into socialism. 

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    That all depends if Trump wins or loses. He wins, quick recovery. Trump loses, democrats grind out the middle class into socialism. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2020 - 3:32 PM ET #7

    "Grind out"  well said. 

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    "Grind out"  well said. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2020 - 3:39 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    UNemployment rate won't recover for the next decade, CBO projects Exerpts from article:   "America's recovery from the pandemic recession could last through the better part of the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office's 10-year forecast published Thursday. The Covid-19 outbreak and subsequent lockdown has brought the economy to a stop, and even though states are slowly reopening, it will be a tough next decade as the country recovers from this recession, according to the CBO.   On top of that, the forecast is riddled with uncertainty in terms of the virus itself, changes to consumer behavior and policy responses, the CBO cautioned."   Source: https://tinyurl.com/y8e9xf6c

     

    UNemployment rate will take a decade to recover

     
    KTNV Channel 13 Las Vegas •

    The national unemployment rate fell to 11.1% Thursday, and a new report shows it could take years for the US economy to recover from COVID-19. The Congressional budget office estimates unemployment won't return to pre-pandemic levels for at least a decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    UNemployment rate won't recover for the next decade, CBO projects Exerpts from article:   "America's recovery from the pandemic recession could last through the better part of the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office's 10-year forecast published Thursday. The Covid-19 outbreak and subsequent lockdown has brought the economy to a stop, and even though states are slowly reopening, it will be a tough next decade as the country recovers from this recession, according to the CBO.   On top of that, the forecast is riddled with uncertainty in terms of the virus itself, changes to consumer behavior and policy responses, the CBO cautioned."   Source: https://tinyurl.com/y8e9xf6c

     

    UNemployment rate will take a decade to recover

     
    KTNV Channel 13 Las Vegas •

    The national unemployment rate fell to 11.1% Thursday, and a new report shows it could take years for the US economy to recover from COVID-19. The Congressional budget office estimates unemployment won't return to pre-pandemic levels for at least a decade.

     
     
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    We were supposed to experience the "quick recovery" when a certain someone suggested we ignore the coronavirus and get back to work. I don't hold a lot of hope for phase II of that program. It may be possible though; just keep printing trillions that don't exist and getting it into the hands of the "right" people. Do not tax it or the generated income so that they can re-invest, creating even more wealth for the "right" people. No problem with false wealth. The guy that made $100 million will still have $50 million in actual wealth when the currency loses 50% of its value. The guy that supported a family on $60K and now has $30K in buying power to cover inflated prices? T----- S---. 

    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    We were supposed to experience the "quick recovery" when a certain someone suggested we ignore the coronavirus and get back to work. I don't hold a lot of hope for phase II of that program. It may be possible though; just keep printing trillions that don't exist and getting it into the hands of the "right" people. Do not tax it or the generated income so that they can re-invest, creating even more wealth for the "right" people. No problem with false wealth. The guy that made $100 million will still have $50 million in actual wealth when the currency loses 50% of its value. The guy that supported a family on $60K and now has $30K in buying power to cover inflated prices? T----- S---. 

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