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    The American jobs plan.

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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 9:12 AM ET #1

    The opposite piss down economics. This rebuilding the employment opportunities that created the middle class.

    So, today, I’m proposing a plan for the nation that rewards work, not just rewards wealth.  It builds a fair economy that gives everybody a chance to succeed, and it’s going to create the strongest, most resilient, innovative economy in the world. It’s not a plan that tinkers around the edges.  It’s a once-in-a generation investment in America, unlike anything we’ve seen or done since we built the Interstate Highway System and the Space Race decades ago.

    President Joe Biden

    Source. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/03/31/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-american-jobs-plan/

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    The opposite piss down economics. This rebuilding the employment opportunities that created the middle class.

    So, today, I’m proposing a plan for the nation that rewards work, not just rewards wealth.  It builds a fair economy that gives everybody a chance to succeed, and it’s going to create the strongest, most resilient, innovative economy in the world. It’s not a plan that tinkers around the edges.  It’s a once-in-a generation investment in America, unlike anything we’ve seen or done since we built the Interstate Highway System and the Space Race decades ago.

    President Joe Biden

    Source. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/03/31/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-american-jobs-plan/

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 9:21 AM ET #2

    For every 100 construction job nearly 221 induced jobs through supply chains in material and service retail markets. Utilities 100 jobs leads to nearly 400 other employment opportunities. By focusing on certain industry sectors it directly lead to many other employment opportunities. 

    Republicans give everything to the wealthy and amass trillions in debt has got us neat bankrupt. 

    Democrats have found the ways and means to fund this investment. But this will be a huge victory for America so obviously the Republican cronies must vehemently opposed any thing that will create a better opportunity for all Americans

    Source. https://www.epi.org/publication/updated-employment-multipliers-for-the-u-s-economy/

    Table 1

     

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    For every 100 construction job nearly 221 induced jobs through supply chains in material and service retail markets. Utilities 100 jobs leads to nearly 400 other employment opportunities. By focusing on certain industry sectors it directly lead to many other employment opportunities. 

    Republicans give everything to the wealthy and amass trillions in debt has got us neat bankrupt. 

    Democrats have found the ways and means to fund this investment. But this will be a huge victory for America so obviously the Republican cronies must vehemently opposed any thing that will create a better opportunity for all Americans

    Source. https://www.epi.org/publication/updated-employment-multipliers-for-the-u-s-economy/

    Table 1

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 10:07 AM ET #3

    Ok. I no this all seems very confusing so if i had to explain this to Trump himself with graphs charts and special features. 

    I give a presentation. 

    American economy as my thesis is built on the roads and bridges in America. 

    Ok. We are a nation dependent so let's start with the roads. Infrastructure projects produce the hardened surface so goods can move efficiently. 

    So if we have 100 workers in labor in construction building the road this leads to 300 in supply and induced jobs from the steel to concrete the linkage to everything begins here. 

    The trucks move the goods this leads to others needed for their job to work convinence and restraints gas stations loading docks and unloading docks.

    No durable goods are needed leading to manufacturing of millions of dollars in products.

    Both consumable and durable if the docks empty no truck is needed. If the goods aren't wanted they wouldn't be manufactured. 

    Construction real estate agents can then sell houses . Advertisement and the ability to display open houses directly result in every other spoke in the wheel whether rehabilitating existing property or new building starts.

    Still need the road to get the goods and services to a house lot. We realize how important the road wats are because here in Maine we close roads this time of year mud season pretty much stops everything in logging and trucking outside of primary routes. 

    The entire restart the economy must begin with restarting employment not wall street banking although needed is not the prime factor of sustained developement. The road way .

    Table 1,2 and appendages in source above as source. 

     

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    Ok. I no this all seems very confusing so if i had to explain this to Trump himself with graphs charts and special features. 

    I give a presentation. 

    American economy as my thesis is built on the roads and bridges in America. 

    Ok. We are a nation dependent so let's start with the roads. Infrastructure projects produce the hardened surface so goods can move efficiently. 

    So if we have 100 workers in labor in construction building the road this leads to 300 in supply and induced jobs from the steel to concrete the linkage to everything begins here. 

    The trucks move the goods this leads to others needed for their job to work convinence and restraints gas stations loading docks and unloading docks.

    No durable goods are needed leading to manufacturing of millions of dollars in products.

    Both consumable and durable if the docks empty no truck is needed. If the goods aren't wanted they wouldn't be manufactured. 

    Construction real estate agents can then sell houses . Advertisement and the ability to display open houses directly result in every other spoke in the wheel whether rehabilitating existing property or new building starts.

    Still need the road to get the goods and services to a house lot. We realize how important the road wats are because here in Maine we close roads this time of year mud season pretty much stops everything in logging and trucking outside of primary routes. 

    The entire restart the economy must begin with restarting employment not wall street banking although needed is not the prime factor of sustained developement. The road way .

    Table 1,2 and appendages in source above as source. 

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 10:22 AM ET #4

    Table 1.

    Major industry groupDirect jobsSupplier jobs*Induced jobs**Total indirect jobsAgriculture, forest, fishing, and hunting100 93.6 134.8 228.5 Mining 100 224.01 66.0 390.0Utilities100 515.4 442.2

    957.7

    Construction100 88.0 138.1 226.1

    Durablemanufacturing 100 289.1 454.9 744.1

    Nondurable manufacturing 100 184.8 329.5 514.3

    Wholesale trade 100 107.3 128.0 235.3

    Retail trade 100 46.7 75.4 122.

    1Transportation and warehousing 100 112.8 163.3 276.0

    Information 100  252.0 321.1 573.1

    Finance and insurance 100 149.7 214.7 364.4

    Real estate and rental leasing 100 396.6 483.1 879.7

    Professional, scientific, and technical services 100 142.1 276.2 418.3

    Management of companies 100 144.4 255.4 399.9

    Administrative and support services and waste management 100 45.5 89.1 134.5

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    Table 1.

    Major industry groupDirect jobsSupplier jobs*Induced jobs**Total indirect jobsAgriculture, forest, fishing, and hunting100 93.6 134.8 228.5 Mining 100 224.01 66.0 390.0Utilities100 515.4 442.2

    957.7

    Construction100 88.0 138.1 226.1

    Durablemanufacturing 100 289.1 454.9 744.1

    Nondurable manufacturing 100 184.8 329.5 514.3

    Wholesale trade 100 107.3 128.0 235.3

    Retail trade 100 46.7 75.4 122.

    1Transportation and warehousing 100 112.8 163.3 276.0

    Information 100  252.0 321.1 573.1

    Finance and insurance 100 149.7 214.7 364.4

    Real estate and rental leasing 100 396.6 483.1 879.7

    Professional, scientific, and technical services 100 142.1 276.2 418.3

    Management of companies 100 144.4 255.4 399.9

    Administrative and support services and waste management 100 45.5 89.1 134.5

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 10:36 AM ET #5

    By keying in on the roadways and bridges ,

    The utility upgrades and high speed internet hardwired. 

    Agriculture and mining and foundry industries.

    These key industries can indeed restart the economy and abate the financial damage covid 19 has inflicted to the United States 

    This plan can actual repair America to being a thriving economic engine for another century. 

    Moving our nation forward with sustained prosperity and directing us to a green renewable energy sector .

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    By keying in on the roadways and bridges ,

    The utility upgrades and high speed internet hardwired. 

    Agriculture and mining and foundry industries.

    These key industries can indeed restart the economy and abate the financial damage covid 19 has inflicted to the United States 

    This plan can actual repair America to being a thriving economic engine for another century. 

    Moving our nation forward with sustained prosperity and directing us to a green renewable energy sector .

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 11:00 AM ET #6

    So back to an example.

    You want a custom pool table for your man cave.

    Okay you find a cabinet builder who takes the measurements,  and he goes back to the shop.

    Now he must find his primary wood as the order states the stand is done in Hickory. So he orders the 200 board feet of hickory from the lumber yard.

    He then places an order for 225 board feet of hickory from a hardwood mill in Virginia. 

    The builder needs a smooth piece of granite so he orders the stone from a granite and stone dealer. Who then orders this from a polisher who has bought the slab from a quarry.

    He then needs an upolster to place the felt and pockets. Now all these suppliers and material and services need tools for their trade . All those tools have a life expectancy for replacements. 

    So that this table can come out frustration of planning designing creating and finally built it then needs still to be moved to the buyers location as large awkward and bulky heavy and with the cost of material it need to moved by professionals who are bonded with the liability.

    So for this custom pool table. 

    You need a carpenters, quarry, stone sales men, lumber, saw mill, logger who is cutting hickory, 

    You need a miner foundry and manufacturer for the metal. And a hardware store, 

    You need insurance underwriting for the move 

    Trucks, and every single piece requires Transportation and the road.....

     

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    So back to an example.

    You want a custom pool table for your man cave.

    Okay you find a cabinet builder who takes the measurements,  and he goes back to the shop.

    Now he must find his primary wood as the order states the stand is done in Hickory. So he orders the 200 board feet of hickory from the lumber yard.

    He then places an order for 225 board feet of hickory from a hardwood mill in Virginia. 

    The builder needs a smooth piece of granite so he orders the stone from a granite and stone dealer. Who then orders this from a polisher who has bought the slab from a quarry.

    He then needs an upolster to place the felt and pockets. Now all these suppliers and material and services need tools for their trade . All those tools have a life expectancy for replacements. 

    So that this table can come out frustration of planning designing creating and finally built it then needs still to be moved to the buyers location as large awkward and bulky heavy and with the cost of material it need to moved by professionals who are bonded with the liability.

    So for this custom pool table. 

    You need a carpenters, quarry, stone sales men, lumber, saw mill, logger who is cutting hickory, 

    You need a miner foundry and manufacturer for the metal. And a hardware store, 

    You need insurance underwriting for the move 

    Trucks, and every single piece requires Transportation and the road.....

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 11:05 AM ET #7

    Biden's plan to rebuild America economy drives the dynamic by targeting where tax payers can get the most from their investments and by driving hard assets as utility lines and upgrading grid services the highway and bridge projects and housing investments 

    America will be able to work us out of the collapse caused by covid.

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    Biden's plan to rebuild America economy drives the dynamic by targeting where tax payers can get the most from their investments and by driving hard assets as utility lines and upgrading grid services the highway and bridge projects and housing investments 

    America will be able to work us out of the collapse caused by covid.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2021 - 12:29 PM ET #8

    These are the real numbers 

    The biggest challenge is getting people back to work.

    Though the economy regained 12.5 million jobs from May through November, the loss of 140,000 in December, due largely to a decline of nearly half a million in the hospitality industry, provided a reminder that much works needs to be done. The sector had an unemployment rate of 16.7% in December, compared with 5.7% in February.

    Other areas of the economy have fared better, though. Housing prices are rising at near-historic levels, savings levels are still high and household balance sheets remain strong. The personal savings rate remained high in Q4 at 13.4%.

    On top of that, Congress approved another stimulus infusion in December, and President Joe Biden is looking to spend another $1.9 trillion that could be followed by still another package later in the year. The Fed is maintaining a low interest rate environment and is buying at least $120 billion a month in bonds to keep activity flowing.

    Under Trump last year our economy fell 3.5 percent largest drop in GDP since ww2.

    Unemployment is at 16 %. 

    We need to adapt to reality and push for jobs.

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    These are the real numbers 

    The biggest challenge is getting people back to work.

    Though the economy regained 12.5 million jobs from May through November, the loss of 140,000 in December, due largely to a decline of nearly half a million in the hospitality industry, provided a reminder that much works needs to be done. The sector had an unemployment rate of 16.7% in December, compared with 5.7% in February.

    Other areas of the economy have fared better, though. Housing prices are rising at near-historic levels, savings levels are still high and household balance sheets remain strong. The personal savings rate remained high in Q4 at 13.4%.

    On top of that, Congress approved another stimulus infusion in December, and President Joe Biden is looking to spend another $1.9 trillion that could be followed by still another package later in the year. The Fed is maintaining a low interest rate environment and is buying at least $120 billion a month in bonds to keep activity flowing.

    Under Trump last year our economy fell 3.5 percent largest drop in GDP since ww2.

    Unemployment is at 16 %. 

    We need to adapt to reality and push for jobs.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2021 - 12:33 PM ET #9

    The federal reserve is buying

    120 billion in bonds a month to fund this government  that's 1.5 trillion just in credit offered through the bank. As we increase tax payers base we can move to more solvency but we need to get people to work a good wages so they can pay tax.

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    The federal reserve is buying

    120 billion in bonds a month to fund this government  that's 1.5 trillion just in credit offered through the bank. As we increase tax payers base we can move to more solvency but we need to get people to work a good wages so they can pay tax.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2021 - 12:40 PM ET #10

    In terms of taxes stop spewing the wealthy.

    Donald Trump has paid 750.00 in federal tax in the last 30 years. The tax base falls on those making 50 to 100 k thresh hold or about 1000 to 2000 a week pay 70 percent of all federal payroll tax. 

     

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    In terms of taxes stop spewing the wealthy.

    Donald Trump has paid 750.00 in federal tax in the last 30 years. The tax base falls on those making 50 to 100 k thresh hold or about 1000 to 2000 a week pay 70 percent of all federal payroll tax. 

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2021 - 12:45 PM ET #11

    Don't think Trump is off that easy. It estimated that he has paid nearly 400 million in attourney fees and cpa services

    as he been engaged in an ongoing audit with the irs since 1999. 

     

     

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    Don't think Trump is off that easy. It estimated that he has paid nearly 400 million in attourney fees and cpa services

    as he been engaged in an ongoing audit with the irs since 1999. 

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    This plan by Joe Biden can actual repair America to being a thriving economic engine for another century.

    Moving our nation forward with sustained prosperity and directing us to a green renewable energy sector .

    i say that would b a good thing

    but rumplickers will oppose it

    becuz its not  THEIR  plan  and they dont want democrats getting well deserved credit for doing something good

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    This plan by Joe Biden can actual repair America to being a thriving economic engine for another century.

    Moving our nation forward with sustained prosperity and directing us to a green renewable energy sector .

    i say that would b a good thing

    but rumplickers will oppose it

    becuz its not  THEIR  plan  and they dont want democrats getting well deserved credit for doing something good

     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2021 - 6:00 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Biden's plan to rebuild America economy drives the dynamic by targeting where tax payers can get the most from their investments and by driving hard assets as utility lines and upgrading grid services the highway and bridge projects and housing investments 

    America will be able to work us out of the collapse caused by covid.

    A viable infrastructure plan is long overdue. 

    Republicans in Congress have been either punting it year after year or blocking any such attempt since 2000  -  when Clinton actually left office with a record budget SURPLUS. 

    For 18 of the last 20 years the party of "NO!" has had, in effect, virtual veto power over any legislation.

    THAT is a very large part of WHY so many Americans distrust, hate, or at the very least are ultra skeptical of "Washington"

    Split chambers is holding America down.  It is hurting us all.  Resentment rises and festers. 

    It's not the Democrats, and not even the republicans per se, but rather, split chambers in Congress!

    THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Biden's plan to rebuild America economy drives the dynamic by targeting where tax payers can get the most from their investments and by driving hard assets as utility lines and upgrading grid services the highway and bridge projects and housing investments 

    America will be able to work us out of the collapse caused by covid.

    A viable infrastructure plan is long overdue. 

    Republicans in Congress have been either punting it year after year or blocking any such attempt since 2000  -  when Clinton actually left office with a record budget SURPLUS. 

    For 18 of the last 20 years the party of "NO!" has had, in effect, virtual veto power over any legislation.

    THAT is a very large part of WHY so many Americans distrust, hate, or at the very least are ultra skeptical of "Washington"

    Split chambers is holding America down.  It is hurting us all.  Resentment rises and festers. 

    It's not the Democrats, and not even the republicans per se, but rather, split chambers in Congress!

    THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2021 - 7:19 PM ET #14

    Democrats can make legislation without a single republican vote as they showed with covid 19 legislation. Alyhough they can stop legislation in the short term they can not prevent it after this the budget and other key pieces of reform head for arbitration possible why this wont be made law until the summer.

     

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    Democrats can make legislation without a single republican vote as they showed with covid 19 legislation. Alyhough they can stop legislation in the short term they can not prevent it after this the budget and other key pieces of reform head for arbitration possible why this wont be made law until the summer.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2021 - 7:28 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    A viable infrastructure plan is long overdue. 

    Republicans in Congress have been either punting it year after year or blocking any such attempt since 2000  -  when Clinton actually left office with a record budget SURPLUS. 

    For 18 of the last 20 years the party of "NO!" has had, in effect, virtual veto power over any legislation.

    THAT is a very large part of WHY so many Americans distrust, hate, or at the very least are ultra skeptical of "Washington"

    Split chambers is holding America down.  It is hurting us all.  Resentment rises and festers. 

    It's not the Democrats, and not even the republicans per se, but rather, split chambers in Congress!

    THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

     

    i  see the point youre making and agree but the question is what to do about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    A viable infrastructure plan is long overdue. 

    Republicans in Congress have been either punting it year after year or blocking any such attempt since 2000  -  when Clinton actually left office with a record budget SURPLUS. 

    For 18 of the last 20 years the party of "NO!" has had, in effect, virtual veto power over any legislation.

    THAT is a very large part of WHY so many Americans distrust, hate, or at the very least are ultra skeptical of "Washington"

    Split chambers is holding America down.  It is hurting us all.  Resentment rises and festers. 

    It's not the Democrats, and not even the republicans per se, but rather, split chambers in Congress!

    THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

     

    i  see the point youre making and agree but the question is what to do about it

     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2021 - 1:43 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    For every 100 construction job nearly 221 induced jobs through supply chains in material and service retail markets. Utilities 100 jobs leads to nearly 400 other employment opportunities. By focusing on certain industry sectors it directly lead to many other employment opportunities.  Republicans give everything to the wealthy and amass trillions in debt has got us neat bankrupt.  Democrats have found the ways and means to fund this investment. But this will be a huge victory for America so obviously the Republican cronies must vehemently opposed any thing that will create a better opportunity for all Americans Source. https://www.epi.org/publication/updated-employment-multipliers-for-the-u-s-economy/ Table 1

    intresting an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    For every 100 construction job nearly 221 induced jobs through supply chains in material and service retail markets. Utilities 100 jobs leads to nearly 400 other employment opportunities. By focusing on certain industry sectors it directly lead to many other employment opportunities.  Republicans give everything to the wealthy and amass trillions in debt has got us neat bankrupt.  Democrats have found the ways and means to fund this investment. But this will be a huge victory for America so obviously the Republican cronies must vehemently opposed any thing that will create a better opportunity for all Americans Source. https://www.epi.org/publication/updated-employment-multipliers-for-the-u-s-economy/ Table 1

    intresting an_light

     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2021 - 12:08 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Biden's plan to rebuild America economy drives the dynamic by targeting where tax payers can get the most from their investments and by driving hard assets as utility lines and upgrading grid services the highway and bridge projects and housing investments 

    America will be able to work us out of the collapse caused by covid.

    makes sense  thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Biden's plan to rebuild America economy drives the dynamic by targeting where tax payers can get the most from their investments and by driving hard assets as utility lines and upgrading grid services the highway and bridge projects and housing investments 

    America will be able to work us out of the collapse caused by covid.

    makes sense  thumbs_up

     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2021 - 10:26 AM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Democrats can make legislation without a single republican vote as they showed with covid 19 legislation. Alyhough they can stop legislation in the short term they can not prevent it after this the budget and other key pieces of reform head for arbitration possible why this wont be made law until the summer.

     

    good point

    though they have to deal with a couple jerks in their own party first

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Democrats can make legislation without a single republican vote as they showed with covid 19 legislation. Alyhough they can stop legislation in the short term they can not prevent it after this the budget and other key pieces of reform head for arbitration possible why this wont be made law until the summer.

     

    good point

    though they have to deal with a couple jerks in their own party first

     
     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2021 - 11:55 AM ET #19

    Target Biden   an_cannon

    USA TODAY
    WASHINGTON – Shortly after meeting at the White House on Wednesday,
    House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy signaled a renewed effort with an
    aggressive fundraising text targeting his host, the president.

    "I just met with Corrupt Joe Biden and
     he’s STILL planning to push his radical Socialist agenda
     onto the American people," the text said.

    McCarthy and other Republicans have said intraparty squabbles, including the drama
    surrounding Rep. Liz Cheney, distracted them from presenting a unified front against Biden.

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    Target Biden   an_cannon

    USA TODAY
    WASHINGTON – Shortly after meeting at the White House on Wednesday,
    House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy signaled a renewed effort with an
    aggressive fundraising text targeting his host, the president.

    "I just met with Corrupt Joe Biden and
     he’s STILL planning to push his radical Socialist agenda
     onto the American people," the text said.

    McCarthy and other Republicans have said intraparty squabbles, including the drama
    surrounding Rep. Liz Cheney, distracted them from presenting a unified front against Biden.

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