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    Trump travels drains Secret Service budget

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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2017 - 12:16 AM ET #1

    Secret Service Director Randolph "Tex'' Alles told USA Today more than 1,000 agents have already hit the federally mandated caps for salary and overtime allowances -- which were meant to last the entire year.


    Trump has taken trips almost every weekend of his presidency so far, to his properties in New Jersey, Virginia and Florida, as well as internationally -- and his adult children also require protection during their business trips and vacations.

    In Trump's administration, 42 people have protection, which includes 18 members of his family -- an increase from the 31 people who had Secret Service protection in Obama's administration.

     Trump's travel to his private club in Florida has cost more than an estimated $20 million in his first 80 days in office, putting the President on pace to surpass former President Barack Obama's eight years of spending on travel -- in only his first year in office.


    Before and during the campaign season, Trump regularly criticized Obama for costing the American taxpayer money every time he took a trip, and Trump the candidate repeatedly called for belt-tightening across government agencies.
    In 2014, Trump tweeted: "We pay for Obama's travel so he can fundraise millions so Democrats can run on lies. Then we pay for his golf."

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/522108442514038784

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/21/secret-service-cant-pay-agents-because-trumps-frequent-travel-large-family/529075001/

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    Secret Service Director Randolph "Tex'' Alles told USA Today more than 1,000 agents have already hit the federally mandated caps for salary and overtime allowances -- which were meant to last the entire year.


    Trump has taken trips almost every weekend of his presidency so far, to his properties in New Jersey, Virginia and Florida, as well as internationally -- and his adult children also require protection during their business trips and vacations.

    In Trump's administration, 42 people have protection, which includes 18 members of his family -- an increase from the 31 people who had Secret Service protection in Obama's administration.

     Trump's travel to his private club in Florida has cost more than an estimated $20 million in his first 80 days in office, putting the President on pace to surpass former President Barack Obama's eight years of spending on travel -- in only his first year in office.


    Before and during the campaign season, Trump regularly criticized Obama for costing the American taxpayer money every time he took a trip, and Trump the candidate repeatedly called for belt-tightening across government agencies.
    In 2014, Trump tweeted: "We pay for Obama's travel so he can fundraise millions so Democrats can run on lies. Then we pay for his golf."

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/522108442514038784

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/21/secret-service-cant-pay-agents-because-trumps-frequent-travel-large-family/529075001/

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2017 - 12:36 AM ET #2

    The Secret Service said Monday that it has enough money to cover the cost of protecting President Trump and his family through the end of September, but after that the agency will hit a federally mandated cap on salaries and overtime unless Congress intervenes. 

    If lawmakers don’t lift the cap, about a third of the agency’s agents would be working overtime without being paid, agency officials said. 

    “The Secret Service estimates that roughly 1,100 employees will work overtime hours in excess of statutory pay caps during calendar year 2017,” Director Randolph “Tex” Alles said in a statement. “To remedy this ongoing and serious problem, the agency has worked closely with the Department of Homeland Security, the Administration, and the Congress over the past several months to find a legislative solution.”


    As of early April, the Secret Service had paid in excess of $32,000 to the trump company for their use of Golf Carts while trump was on any of the trump property golf courses.

    How much money was spent for golf cart as of today ..

    how is this legal ?

    why no "conservative outrage" over this conflict of interest ?

    Conservative hypocrisy at its finest 
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    The Secret Service said Monday that it has enough money to cover the cost of protecting President Trump and his family through the end of September, but after that the agency will hit a federally mandated cap on salaries and overtime unless Congress intervenes. 

    If lawmakers don’t lift the cap, about a third of the agency’s agents would be working overtime without being paid, agency officials said. 

    “The Secret Service estimates that roughly 1,100 employees will work overtime hours in excess of statutory pay caps during calendar year 2017,” Director Randolph “Tex” Alles said in a statement. “To remedy this ongoing and serious problem, the agency has worked closely with the Department of Homeland Security, the Administration, and the Congress over the past several months to find a legislative solution.”


    As of early April, the Secret Service had paid in excess of $32,000 to the trump company for their use of Golf Carts while trump was on any of the trump property golf courses.

    How much money was spent for golf cart as of today ..

    how is this legal ?

    why no "conservative outrage" over this conflict of interest ?

    Conservative hypocrisy at its finest 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2017 - 1:00 AM ET #3

    Trump makes in up in staffing..Trump White House has 377 employees, Barack Obama had 487...110 more payees,

    Forbes reports that the Trump administration’s annual report – released to Congress on Friday – covers 377 White House employees and projects a $5.1 million in payroll cuts for the financial year of 2015.Overall will save taxpayers $22 million over the next four years.

    Forbes states, “savings come from President Trump’s refusal to take a salary as well as big reductions in other areas including the absence of czars, expensive ‘fellowships,’ and spending on FLOTUS staff.”

    Melania Trump has 5 staffers, Michelle Obama had 24....

    Michelle Obama had 24 “assistants, advisors, schedulers, directors, deputies, advance aides, associates, social and press secretaries and other helpers.”

    Then there were the fellowship positions “Some of these ‘fellowship’ candidates in Obama’s administration made up to $158,000 annually..Fellowship perosnal were responsible for such special programs as Michelle Obama’s ‘Let Girls Learn’ initiative and others...
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    Trump makes in up in staffing..Trump White House has 377 employees, Barack Obama had 487...110 more payees,

    Forbes reports that the Trump administration’s annual report – released to Congress on Friday – covers 377 White House employees and projects a $5.1 million in payroll cuts for the financial year of 2015.Overall will save taxpayers $22 million over the next four years.

    Forbes states, “savings come from President Trump’s refusal to take a salary as well as big reductions in other areas including the absence of czars, expensive ‘fellowships,’ and spending on FLOTUS staff.”

    Melania Trump has 5 staffers, Michelle Obama had 24....

    Michelle Obama had 24 “assistants, advisors, schedulers, directors, deputies, advance aides, associates, social and press secretaries and other helpers.”

    Then there were the fellowship positions “Some of these ‘fellowship’ candidates in Obama’s administration made up to $158,000 annually..Fellowship perosnal were responsible for such special programs as Michelle Obama’s ‘Let Girls Learn’ initiative and others...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2017 - 3:12 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Trump makes in up in staffing..Trump White House has 377 employees, Barack Obama had 487...110 more payees,


    Forbes reports that the Trump administration’s annual report – released to Congress on Friday – covers 377 White House employees and projects a $5.1 million in payroll cuts for the financial year of 2015.Overall will save taxpayers $22 million over the next four years.

    Forbes states, “savings come from President Trump’s refusal to take a salary as well as big reductions in other areas including the absence of czars, expensive ‘fellowships,’ and spending on FLOTUS staff.”

    Melania Trump has 5 staffers, Michelle Obama had 24....

    Michelle Obama had 24 “assistants, advisors, schedulers, directors, deputies, advance aides, associates, social and press secretaries and other helpers.”

    Then there were the fellowship positions “Some of these ‘fellowship’ candidates in Obama’s administration made up to $158,000 annually..Fellowship perosnal were responsible for such special programs as Michelle Obama’s ‘Let Girls Learn’ initiative and others...

    Huh

    2015 ?

    Secret Service is running out of money to protect him and his entourage after  only 7 months into Trump presidency


    Trump trolled Obama for playing golf

     Trump's travel to his private club in Florida has cost more than an estimated $20 million in his first 80 days in office, putting the President on pace to surpass former President Barack Obama's eight years of spending on travel -- in only his first year in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Trump makes in up in staffing..Trump White House has 377 employees, Barack Obama had 487...110 more payees,


    Forbes reports that the Trump administration’s annual report – released to Congress on Friday – covers 377 White House employees and projects a $5.1 million in payroll cuts for the financial year of 2015.Overall will save taxpayers $22 million over the next four years.

    Forbes states, “savings come from President Trump’s refusal to take a salary as well as big reductions in other areas including the absence of czars, expensive ‘fellowships,’ and spending on FLOTUS staff.”

    Melania Trump has 5 staffers, Michelle Obama had 24....

    Michelle Obama had 24 “assistants, advisors, schedulers, directors, deputies, advance aides, associates, social and press secretaries and other helpers.”

    Then there were the fellowship positions “Some of these ‘fellowship’ candidates in Obama’s administration made up to $158,000 annually..Fellowship perosnal were responsible for such special programs as Michelle Obama’s ‘Let Girls Learn’ initiative and others...

    Huh

    2015 ?

    Secret Service is running out of money to protect him and his entourage after  only 7 months into Trump presidency


    Trump trolled Obama for playing golf

     Trump's travel to his private club in Florida has cost more than an estimated $20 million in his first 80 days in office, putting the President on pace to surpass former President Barack Obama's eight years of spending on travel -- in only his first year in office.

     
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    Yup....the most powerful country on earth is running out of money protecting their President, amazing what you'll find in a political forum thread, on a gambling site...

    so in November the SS will not receive their salary, unless a solution is raised?  nothing but propaganda attached to manipulated statistics coming from where?


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    Yup....the most powerful country on earth is running out of money protecting their President, amazing what you'll find in a political forum thread, on a gambling site...

    so in November the SS will not receive their salary, unless a solution is raised?  nothing but propaganda attached to manipulated statistics coming from where?


     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2017 - 7:43 AM ET #6

    Lips, do you have an estimate on the cost of policing anti trump protests? Total cost to police, total cost to clean up, total cost in damages. 
     
    If you are concerned that public dollars are being wasted then i am sure that you have been keeping track of this.

    Let me know thanks.



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    Lips, do you have an estimate on the cost of policing anti trump protests? Total cost to police, total cost to clean up, total cost in damages. 
     
    If you are concerned that public dollars are being wasted then i am sure that you have been keeping track of this.

    Let me know thanks.



     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2017 - 9:50 AM ET #7

    1) According to USNews By LISA MARIE PANE, Associated Press


    Q. Who pays for police to be there, taxpayers or event organizers?

    A. It depends. As part of the permitting process, local officials, the venue and the event organizers discuss the event and its logistics and decide what kind of security is needed. What's the expected crowd size? Is there a record of violence or disruptions at similar events?

    Sometimes authorities decide it's necessary for event organizers to provide private security. Sometimes authorities agree to supplement that with local police. Sometimes the private security detail consists of off-duty officers who are paid by the organizers or the venue, but retain their normal police powers. Sometimes, it's private security without arrest power supplemented by police on their regular shifts.

    With 18,000 police departments in the United States and municipalities with different rules, venues that can be municipally owned or privately held and events that require different approaches to ensure safety, nothing is standard.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-03-19/why-are-police-at-political-rallies-and-who-pays-for-them


    2) Vancouver (BC Canada)  Police Department spent $105,000 to police anti-Trump protesters

    https://globalnews.ca/news/3291128/vancouver-police-department-spent-105000-to-police-anti-trump-protesters/


    3) Trump rallies cost money too

    4) According to the Hollywood Reporter

    Donald Trump Campaign Offered Actors $50 to Cheer for Him at Presidential Announcement 

    The Hollywood Reporter dug up an email from a casting agency asking people to come to the event in exchange for $50. Actors who’d worked with the company posted photos from Trump Tower. On the day of Trump’s inauguration, we learned that the firm he hired to produce the event wasn’t paid until months later.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/donald-trump-campaign-offered-actors-803161

    This is funny because anti-Trump protesters are supposedly paid by George Soros 



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    1) According to USNews By LISA MARIE PANE, Associated Press


    Q. Who pays for police to be there, taxpayers or event organizers?

    A. It depends. As part of the permitting process, local officials, the venue and the event organizers discuss the event and its logistics and decide what kind of security is needed. What's the expected crowd size? Is there a record of violence or disruptions at similar events?

    Sometimes authorities decide it's necessary for event organizers to provide private security. Sometimes authorities agree to supplement that with local police. Sometimes the private security detail consists of off-duty officers who are paid by the organizers or the venue, but retain their normal police powers. Sometimes, it's private security without arrest power supplemented by police on their regular shifts.

    With 18,000 police departments in the United States and municipalities with different rules, venues that can be municipally owned or privately held and events that require different approaches to ensure safety, nothing is standard.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-03-19/why-are-police-at-political-rallies-and-who-pays-for-them


    2) Vancouver (BC Canada)  Police Department spent $105,000 to police anti-Trump protesters

    https://globalnews.ca/news/3291128/vancouver-police-department-spent-105000-to-police-anti-trump-protesters/


    3) Trump rallies cost money too

    4) According to the Hollywood Reporter

    Donald Trump Campaign Offered Actors $50 to Cheer for Him at Presidential Announcement 

    The Hollywood Reporter dug up an email from a casting agency asking people to come to the event in exchange for $50. Actors who’d worked with the company posted photos from Trump Tower. On the day of Trump’s inauguration, we learned that the firm he hired to produce the event wasn’t paid until months later.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/donald-trump-campaign-offered-actors-803161

    This is funny because anti-Trump protesters are supposedly paid by George Soros 



     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2017 - 10:03 AM ET #8

    He has to travel cause the White House is a "dump"
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    He has to travel cause the White House is a "dump"
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2017 - 10:04 AM ET #9

    The NYPD has estimated that the cost of protecting Mr. Trump when he is in New York is around $308,000 per day. His wife, Melania, and his son Barron continued to live in Trump Tower during the school year, and the cost to protect their home was between $127,000 to $146,000 a day, according to the police.

    Trump's adult sons should hire their own private security agents ( Blackwater ..etc)  during personal/family business trip



    Federal documents examined by NBC News outline hotel bills for the U.S. Secret Service and State Department coinciding with other out-of-town visits by Trump's sons and daughters, including:

    $53,155.25 during Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Tiffany Trump's business trip to Vancouver in late February.

    $16,738.36 during Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump's business trip to Dubai in mid-February.

    $97,830 for Eric Trump's business trip to Uruguay in early January.

    In addition, the records show the Secret Service spent $4,0162.02 on rental vehicles in the Dominican Republic on Jan. 29, just ahead of Eric Trump's business visit to Cap Cana.
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    The NYPD has estimated that the cost of protecting Mr. Trump when he is in New York is around $308,000 per day. His wife, Melania, and his son Barron continued to live in Trump Tower during the school year, and the cost to protect their home was between $127,000 to $146,000 a day, according to the police.

    Trump's adult sons should hire their own private security agents ( Blackwater ..etc)  during personal/family business trip



    Federal documents examined by NBC News outline hotel bills for the U.S. Secret Service and State Department coinciding with other out-of-town visits by Trump's sons and daughters, including:

    $53,155.25 during Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Tiffany Trump's business trip to Vancouver in late February.

    $16,738.36 during Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump's business trip to Dubai in mid-February.

    $97,830 for Eric Trump's business trip to Uruguay in early January.

    In addition, the records show the Secret Service spent $4,0162.02 on rental vehicles in the Dominican Republic on Jan. 29, just ahead of Eric Trump's business visit to Cap Cana.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2017 - 10:38 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Lips, do you have an estimate on the cost of policing anti trump protests? Total cost to police, total cost to clean up, total cost in damages. 
     
    If you are concerned that public dollars are being wasted then i am sure that you have been keeping track of this.

    Let me know thanks.




    It's funny how some Trump supporters will deflect, deflect, deflect, the mere mention of any kind of criticism to the point of comparing apples to kumquats. Speak to the point. Donald Trump, a guy who campaigned that Barack Obama traveled too much, that he was never going to travel, this same man is traveling more than any President before him. And he's doing it because "the White House is a dump"? What a Prima Donna. It's an old building, not a Ttump Hotel. I can't see how that went over his head.

    p.s. If you can find a montage of all of the times Trump said, "If i'm elected i'll never leave the White House. I'll never play golf." you'll laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Lips, do you have an estimate on the cost of policing anti trump protests? Total cost to police, total cost to clean up, total cost in damages. 
     
    If you are concerned that public dollars are being wasted then i am sure that you have been keeping track of this.

    Let me know thanks.




    It's funny how some Trump supporters will deflect, deflect, deflect, the mere mention of any kind of criticism to the point of comparing apples to kumquats. Speak to the point. Donald Trump, a guy who campaigned that Barack Obama traveled too much, that he was never going to travel, this same man is traveling more than any President before him. And he's doing it because "the White House is a dump"? What a Prima Donna. It's an old building, not a Ttump Hotel. I can't see how that went over his head.

    p.s. If you can find a montage of all of the times Trump said, "If i'm elected i'll never leave the White House. I'll never play golf." you'll laugh.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Lips, do you have an estimate on the cost of policing anti trump protests? Total cost to police, total cost to clean up, total cost in damages. 
     
    If you are concerned that public dollars are being wasted then i am sure that you have been keeping track of this.

    Let me know thanks.





    some people, let's call them non-fascists, would say ensuring people have their rights under the first amendment protected by the government is not a waste of money.

    i'd much rather have the police doing that than wasting time and money continuing the war on drugs. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Lips, do you have an estimate on the cost of policing anti trump protests? Total cost to police, total cost to clean up, total cost in damages. 
     
    If you are concerned that public dollars are being wasted then i am sure that you have been keeping track of this.

    Let me know thanks.





    some people, let's call them non-fascists, would say ensuring people have their rights under the first amendment protected by the government is not a waste of money.

    i'd much rather have the police doing that than wasting time and money continuing the war on drugs. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw59:

    He has to travel cause the White House is a "dump"


    is Camp David also a "dump" ?

    Trump's predecessors liked living in a dump 

    Do you have any problem with Trump profiting off of the power of his office ?

    Mar-a-Lago is owned by the Trump Organization, a company the president "stepped down" from once he took office but still owns and financially benefits from. It also doubled its initiation fee to $200,000 three weeks before Trump was sworn in.


    Taxpayers aren’t the only ones paying for his constant presence at Mar-a-Lago, either. According to Times, the town has had to shell out $60,000 a day to pay overtime to sheriff’s deputies, tallying up to about $1.5 million since the election. Local businesses, particularly those centered around the airport, have also suffered, since Secret Service grounds flights for security reasons when the president is in town. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw59:

    He has to travel cause the White House is a "dump"


    is Camp David also a "dump" ?

    Trump's predecessors liked living in a dump 

    Do you have any problem with Trump profiting off of the power of his office ?

    Mar-a-Lago is owned by the Trump Organization, a company the president "stepped down" from once he took office but still owns and financially benefits from. It also doubled its initiation fee to $200,000 three weeks before Trump was sworn in.


    Taxpayers aren’t the only ones paying for his constant presence at Mar-a-Lago, either. According to Times, the town has had to shell out $60,000 a day to pay overtime to sheriff’s deputies, tallying up to about $1.5 million since the election. Local businesses, particularly those centered around the airport, have also suffered, since Secret Service grounds flights for security reasons when the president is in town. 
     
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    Where did you get that info detailing "who pays for police to  be there" ? Be where? The document you provided appears to be an overview of the process invloved in policing a concert or something. similar. 

    I find it hard to believe that white supremacists and antifa walked into the local sherrifs office writing cheques for damage to government property businesess and the like after their recent clash. Berkley students paid for that riot or million woman march paid for police and cleanup?


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    Where did you get that info detailing "who pays for police to  be there" ? Be where? The document you provided appears to be an overview of the process invloved in policing a concert or something. similar. 

    I find it hard to believe that white supremacists and antifa walked into the local sherrifs office writing cheques for damage to government property businesess and the like after their recent clash. Berkley students paid for that riot or million woman march paid for police and cleanup?


     
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    Trump does not pay the police for his campaign rallies  either
    what's your point ?
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    Trump does not pay the police for his campaign rallies  either
    what's your point ?
     
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    The point is your reply is innacurate. Protesters do not line up to pay for the police, they do not pay municipal sanitation depts, they dont write cheques to cover the cost of burned out patrol cars or damage to businesess. The cost is absorbed by local and state depts.  and business owners. 

    Ludicrous to suggest the cleanup for the million woman march was paid for by the organizers. Did you see the trash left behind, city after city, piles of garbage. If you think a bunch of overweight women wearing mullets cleaned up after themselves, you are mistaken.

    I point out the costs associated with policing these protests when people like you point out the cost of the trump presidency. 

    Where exactly did you get that info about protesters paying back law enforcement municipalities etc.  I know its prefaced with "according to" USNEWS, but did you google that or did you ask sirri, or god forbid jeeves?







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    The point is your reply is innacurate. Protesters do not line up to pay for the police, they do not pay municipal sanitation depts, they dont write cheques to cover the cost of burned out patrol cars or damage to businesess. The cost is absorbed by local and state depts.  and business owners. 

    Ludicrous to suggest the cleanup for the million woman march was paid for by the organizers. Did you see the trash left behind, city after city, piles of garbage. If you think a bunch of overweight women wearing mullets cleaned up after themselves, you are mistaken.

    I point out the costs associated with policing these protests when people like you point out the cost of the trump presidency. 

    Where exactly did you get that info about protesters paying back law enforcement municipalities etc.  I know its prefaced with "according to" USNEWS, but did you google that or did you ask sirri, or god forbid jeeves?







     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:


    It's funny how some Trump supporters will deflect, deflect, deflect, the mere mention of any kind of criticism to the point of comparing apples to kumquats. Speak to the point. Donald Trump, a guy who campaigned that Barack Obama traveled too much, that he was never going to travel, this same man is traveling more than any President before him. And he's doing it because "the White House is a dump"? What a Prima Donna. It's an old building, not a Ttump Hotel. I can't see how that went over his head.

    p.s. If you can find a montage of all of the times Trump said, "If i'm elected i'll never leave the White House. I'll never play golf." you'll laugh.


    HockeyTeeth,, is not a true Trump supported ..he's a closet Justin Trudeau supporter ever since he received Justin Trudeau, My Canadian Boyfriend 2018 Wall Calendar ,http://www.cafepress.ca/+calendar_print,1705282699....


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    It's funny how some Trump supporters will deflect, deflect, deflect, the mere mention of any kind of criticism to the point of comparing apples to kumquats. Speak to the point. Donald Trump, a guy who campaigned that Barack Obama traveled too much, that he was never going to travel, this same man is traveling more than any President before him. And he's doing it because "the White House is a dump"? What a Prima Donna. It's an old building, not a Ttump Hotel. I can't see how that went over his head.

    p.s. If you can find a montage of all of the times Trump said, "If i'm elected i'll never leave the White House. I'll never play golf." you'll laugh.


    HockeyTeeth,, is not a true Trump supported ..he's a closet Justin Trudeau supporter ever since he received Justin Trudeau, My Canadian Boyfriend 2018 Wall Calendar ,http://www.cafepress.ca/+calendar_print,1705282699....


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    The point is your reply is innacurate. Protesters do not line up to pay for the police, they do not pay municipal sanitation depts, they dont write cheques to cover the cost of burned out patrol cars or damage to businesess. The cost is absorbed by local and state depts.  and business owners. 

    Ludicrous to suggest the cleanup for the million woman march was paid for by the organizers. Did you see the trash left behind, city after city, piles of garbage. If you think a bunch of overweight women wearing mullets cleaned up after themselves, you are mistaken.

    I point out the costs associated with policing these protests when people like you point out the cost of the trump presidency. 

    Where exactly did you get that info about protesters paying back law enforcement municipalities etc.  I know its prefaced with "according to" USNEWS, but did you google that or did you ask sirri, or god forbid jeeves?








    You stated that you point out the costs associated with policing these protests

    you've provided no data to back up your claims.

    Yes this thread is about the costs associated with the Trump presidency and I have provided data to back it up.

    1)  You stated the following

    <QUOTE>

    Ludicrous to suggest the cleanup for the million woman march was paid for by the organizers. Did you see the trash left behind, city after city, piles of garbage. If you think a bunch of overweight women wearing mullets cleaned up after themselves, you are mistaken.

    <UNQUOTE>


    You sound ignorant and arrogant and you are also making assumptions

    Who cares IF the protesters were overweight
    They have rights and neither you nor I know how much taxes they pay.


    It's expensive to organize and  host such a  large event .

    The marchers wanted to raise 2 millions  for bus parking, hiring outside security to keep marchers safe and what might be the biggest necessity of any long march, port-a-potties.

    They've managed to raise 2,069,486 dollars

    https://www.crowdrise.com/womens-march-on-washington/fundraiser/womens-marchon-washington

    the port-a-potties renters do not ask the cities to clean up for them 

    Your opinions are NOT facts.


    Here is my question

    How much money did the cities spend to clean up the mess left behind by  a bunch of overweight women wearing mullets ?

    then let's compare to the costs of Trump's presidency 
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    The point is your reply is innacurate. Protesters do not line up to pay for the police, they do not pay municipal sanitation depts, they dont write cheques to cover the cost of burned out patrol cars or damage to businesess. The cost is absorbed by local and state depts.  and business owners. 

    Ludicrous to suggest the cleanup for the million woman march was paid for by the organizers. Did you see the trash left behind, city after city, piles of garbage. If you think a bunch of overweight women wearing mullets cleaned up after themselves, you are mistaken.

    I point out the costs associated with policing these protests when people like you point out the cost of the trump presidency. 

    Where exactly did you get that info about protesters paying back law enforcement municipalities etc.  I know its prefaced with "according to" USNEWS, but did you google that or did you ask sirri, or god forbid jeeves?








    You stated that you point out the costs associated with policing these protests

    you've provided no data to back up your claims.

    Yes this thread is about the costs associated with the Trump presidency and I have provided data to back it up.

    1)  You stated the following

    <QUOTE>

    Ludicrous to suggest the cleanup for the million woman march was paid for by the organizers. Did you see the trash left behind, city after city, piles of garbage. If you think a bunch of overweight women wearing mullets cleaned up after themselves, you are mistaken.

    <UNQUOTE>


    You sound ignorant and arrogant and you are also making assumptions

    Who cares IF the protesters were overweight
    They have rights and neither you nor I know how much taxes they pay.


    It's expensive to organize and  host such a  large event .

    The marchers wanted to raise 2 millions  for bus parking, hiring outside security to keep marchers safe and what might be the biggest necessity of any long march, port-a-potties.

    They've managed to raise 2,069,486 dollars

    https://www.crowdrise.com/womens-march-on-washington/fundraiser/womens-marchon-washington

    the port-a-potties renters do not ask the cities to clean up for them 

    Your opinions are NOT facts.


    Here is my question

    How much money did the cities spend to clean up the mess left behind by  a bunch of overweight women wearing mullets ?

    then let's compare to the costs of Trump's presidency 
     
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    Whats with the name calling, man you alt lefties are an intolorable lot I called them overweight and wearing mullets because a lot of the women i saw were overweight and wearing mullets. The odd thing is they were carrying sign saying keep your tiny hands off my box. Firstly women who look like that have no need for a sign like that, secondly trumps appearance has been mocked for two yrs now, so i return the favor whenever possible.

    Anyways im heading out the door to take advantage of my white privelege, teeing off at the cliffs in about an hr and a half. 

    Rather than me assemble this data from all the jurisdictions and various depts maybe you could do me a favour and just post a copy of the cheques these women sent to cover costs.

    Thanks man.
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    Whats with the name calling, man you alt lefties are an intolorable lot I called them overweight and wearing mullets because a lot of the women i saw were overweight and wearing mullets. The odd thing is they were carrying sign saying keep your tiny hands off my box. Firstly women who look like that have no need for a sign like that, secondly trumps appearance has been mocked for two yrs now, so i return the favor whenever possible.

    Anyways im heading out the door to take advantage of my white privelege, teeing off at the cliffs in about an hr and a half. 

    Rather than me assemble this data from all the jurisdictions and various depts maybe you could do me a favour and just post a copy of the cheques these women sent to cover costs.

    Thanks man.
     
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    Perfect example of why I don't post here much anymore.

    OP starts thread. Offers empirical evidence.

    Typical Trump goons deny everything or deflect.

    I can't express how little people think of GOP supporters like yourself. 
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    Perfect example of why I don't post here much anymore.

    OP starts thread. Offers empirical evidence.

    Typical Trump goons deny everything or deflect.

    I can't express how little people think of GOP supporters like yourself. 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Whats with the name calling, man you alt lefties are an intolorable lot I called them overweight and wearing mullets because a lot of the women i saw were overweight and wearing mullets. The odd thing is they were carrying sign saying keep your tiny hands off my box. Firstly women who look like that have no need for a sign like that, secondly trumps appearance has been mocked for two yrs now, so i return the favor whenever possible.

    Anyways im heading out the door to take advantage of my white privelege, teeing off at the cliffs in about an hr and a half. 

    Rather than me assemble this data from all the jurisdictions and various depts maybe you could do me a favour and just post a copy of the cheques these women sent to cover costs.

    Thanks man.

    Dude you need to stop running your mouth IF you have no evidence to support your argument.

    You sounded ignorant and arrogant in post # 15 . that's not name calling.

    You doubled down in post #19 

    man you alt lefties are an intolorable lot I called them overweight and wearing mullets because a lot of the women i saw were overweight and wearing mullets. 

    You assumed that I am a member of the "Alt Left". How do you know that ?

    What does "being overweight and wearing mullets" have to do 
    with any american (male/female) right to protest ?
    and you're calling people intolerant . That's rich

    Intolerance is the unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own. 

    The odd thing is they were carrying sign saying keep your tiny hands off my box.

    Trump Was Recorded in 2005 Bragging About Grabbing Women “by the P u s s y”

    Firstly women who look like that have no need for a sign like that, secondly trumps appearance has been mocked for two yrs now, so i return the favor whenever possible.

    one word summed up above statement : arrogance

    Definition of arrogant

      exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner 

    You are returning favors on behalf of Donald's Trump 

    Does your "white privilege" include doing research on your behalf to back up your own argument with facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

    Whats with the name calling, man you alt lefties are an intolorable lot I called them overweight and wearing mullets because a lot of the women i saw were overweight and wearing mullets. The odd thing is they were carrying sign saying keep your tiny hands off my box. Firstly women who look like that have no need for a sign like that, secondly trumps appearance has been mocked for two yrs now, so i return the favor whenever possible.

    Anyways im heading out the door to take advantage of my white privelege, teeing off at the cliffs in about an hr and a half. 

    Rather than me assemble this data from all the jurisdictions and various depts maybe you could do me a favour and just post a copy of the cheques these women sent to cover costs.

    Thanks man.

    Dude you need to stop running your mouth IF you have no evidence to support your argument.

    You sounded ignorant and arrogant in post # 15 . that's not name calling.

    You doubled down in post #19 

    man you alt lefties are an intolorable lot I called them overweight and wearing mullets because a lot of the women i saw were overweight and wearing mullets. 

    You assumed that I am a member of the "Alt Left". How do you know that ?

    What does "being overweight and wearing mullets" have to do 
    with any american (male/female) right to protest ?
    and you're calling people intolerant . That's rich

    Intolerance is the unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own. 

    The odd thing is they were carrying sign saying keep your tiny hands off my box.

    Trump Was Recorded in 2005 Bragging About Grabbing Women “by the P u s s y”

    Firstly women who look like that have no need for a sign like that, secondly trumps appearance has been mocked for two yrs now, so i return the favor whenever possible.

    one word summed up above statement : arrogance

    Definition of arrogant

      exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner 

    You are returning favors on behalf of Donald's Trump 

    Does your "white privilege" include doing research on your behalf to back up your own argument with facts?

    Man you're special
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