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I can guarantee they aren't setting lines without having some idea of a lineup. No chance they just toss darts and post numbers, otherwise you would see big line movements when lineups are released.
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DoubleUp4Life | 62 |
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I'll chime in here with my thoughts... and to start, I'll make it clear that I do not bet on Spring Training. That being said, I have nothing against the guys who are taking shots at it.
I have a tough time believing people saying they "kill" spring training or that they have so much info on it that they feel they have an advantage over the sportsbook. I've kept quiet for many years when friends tell me that it's as simple as identifying who is playing and who is not... do you not think the books know this info too? As someone who's played very high level baseball I can speak from experience and tell you that guys at Spring Training really could care less about the score. Pitchers are working on new pitches, hitters are working on hitting the ball certain directions, etc. Spring Training comes down to guessing at a lot of variables that could effect the game and long term success with it is very difficult (hence why the best handicappers I know don't play on it or play on it for .25/.50 units/game) By all means, if you are want to gamble why not bet on it? Gambling makes the games more interesting and this is no exception. But stop with the comments on how soft these lines are and how you pick up 25 units during this time or whatever. I'll catch you all opening day (though I will be watching a ton of ST. Until then I'm hoping to discuss baseball with whoever wants to. |
DoubleUp4Life | 62 |
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3 Questions for DoubleUp (Tried quoting but says I have exceeded length).. interested to hear your thoughts: 1. What's the thought process on Arizona winning The NL West? The Dodgers are built to win on paper and have Ryu + Greinke as additions. For those unfamiliar with Ryu, he's filth. Then there is San Francisco who's rotation can go head to head with anyone. If Lincecum rebounds from last year and Zito can provide some sort of steadiness, I just don't see how this division is anything but a 2 team race. I will say that Arizona is however a good team and at times looked like they could push for a wild card spot last year but I just don't see it happening this year. 2. Pittsburgh 82 wins.. What's your angle? No Houston to use as a punching bag, Cubs much improved, Milwaukee coming off 83 wins, and The Pirates 2nd half was awful. 3. AL East all .500... I think someone will have to finish below though I agree the division will be much closer then in past years. Again, really curious to hear your thoughts. Anyone?
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DoubleUp4Life | 70 |
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Thanks sir.
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braves5795 | 2 |
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On paper they might look light a SLIGHT favorite but they also have a tough time getting up for the tournament. The WBC to USA does not mean what it means to other countries like The Dominican, Venezuela, or Japan.
My thoughts (though I haven't laid any money on it quite yet... ( won't make any decisions until rosters are 100% finalized) are that Venezuela has the most value. Even without Felix, 12/1 is a joke which is what I last saw them at... seeing 10/1 but haven't shopped it. If the guys who have committed to playing at this time, go forward and play, it's tough to not take them. I LOVE The USA Outfield and I think Dickey will excel as lots of the guys he faces will have limited/if any at bats against him. Vogelsong is the #2 guy and for those who don't know me, I'll simply tell you that I am a BIG Vogelsong backer. I would have to look at my reports to see just how much money this guy made me last year, but it's a lot. No real big names on Japan but they are good, as they always are in every international competition. Have to look deeper into The Japan leagues and see just who all of them are as I don't have extensive knowledge or reports on them. Agree with DR being close in the odds department with USA because on paper they are quite comparable though there is no way their projected starting pitchers will compare to The USA. Infield however, could be better. Short memo on my Canadians is that they're going to be OK again this year but we're far from a serious contender and may never be. Mexico is my sleeper.. hope they get undervalued in a big way against the big name teams because they are capable of an upset. Not saying they're incredible but I see a few spots already looking at the calendar that could be a play if the price is right. |
Osirus13 | 6 |
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Believe he weighed in at 225. Seems like every article has a new player "in the best shape of their life." That being said, weight loss can effect you for the worst e.g.) Tim Lincecum
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dytide | 5 |
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Lines from Atlantis in Reno. LVH is going to open on Sunday.
My thought pattern on the Astros juice is that I read it is the lowest total to ever be posted (have not had time to verify that statement.) Astros will be moving divisions this year to AL West. Agreed on AL East being wide open. I think every team could contend and although I see the Yankees being the weakest they have been in many years, I think too much is being made of it. You still have CC, Kuroda, Pettitte as your top 3 and I have no problem putting them against Boston/TB/Baltimore/Torontos top guys. Would not surprise me at all to see 88-90 wins win that division (see year 2000 when Yankees won division with 87.) Would love to hear everyones opinion on Texas this year. That division has become a talking point for lots of us over the last few weeks: - Angels obviously made some moves but they're rotation is far from dominant. Back 3 guys have potential but we will have to wait and see. Also interested to see if Hamilton has learned to lay off pitches that are 3 feet outside the strike zone (exaggeration I know) and if CJ Wilson can bounce back. Does Trout continue on such a torrid pace? - Seattle is going to be the team to beat in that division within the next 5 years. Farm system is so deep and they have impressed me with their willingness to make forward progress. They now have locked up The King for maybe the rest of his career and although I don't consider him at Verlander's level, losing him would have destroyed the organization... not only from having an ace but from a PR Standpoint (think Lincecum leaving San Francisco) - Hard to argue that Texas had a satisfactory off season but they are going to see some of their injured stars return this season (Lewis, Feliz, etc) - Oakland is Oakland... no one envisioned that kind of success last year and although I find it somewhat hard to see them doing it again this year, it's certainly possible. Loss of Brandon McCarthy is bigger then most people think but they also added Jed Lowrie who I feel has been underrated and hampered by playing in Houston. Cespedes is crucial to their success. - Houston has 0 chance. Enough said. I created an account here for the sole purpose of discussing The MLB. It's the only sport I handicap and I realize that 90% of what gets posted here is garbage but there are those I respect and think offer value in talking to. Would love to hear everyones thoughts.
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BennyGee | 12 |
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Hello all,
Here are the season totals (first to be released as far as I know) Arizona Diamondbacks 81.5 (-120o) Atlanta Braves 86 Baltimore Orioles 76.5 Boston Red Sox 79.5 (-120o) Chicago Cubs 72 Chicago White Sox 80.5 Cincinnati Reds 88.5 Cleveland Indians 77.5 (-120o) Colorado Rockies 71.5 Detroit Tigers 90 Houston Astros 59.5 (-120o) Kansas City Royals 79 Los Angeles Angels 89.5 (-120o) Los Angeles Dodgers 90 Miami Marlins 64.5 (-120u) Milwaukee Brewers 79.5 Minnesota Twins 64.5 New York Mets 74 (-120u) New York Yankees 86.5 (-120u) Oakland Athletics 83 (-120u) Philadelphia Phillies 81.5 Pittsburgh Pirates 79 San Diego Padres 74.5 San Francisco Giants 86 Seattle Mariners 76.5 St. Louis Cardinals 85.5 Tampa Bay Rays 86 Texas Rangers 87 Toronto Blue Jays 86.5 Washington Nationals 90 |
BennyGee | 12 |
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Sizemore had knee surgery last September and is currently a free agent. Rumors have it that he won't sign until recovered (mid season) but who knows. Certainly has a lot of potential if healthy.
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EastOakland | 75 |
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My first thoughts is that Braves total seems awfully low. Won't be surprised if it opens quite a bit higher at other books. Full year of Medlen plus the Upton brothers should only benefit them. Not to mention they expect Beachy to return at some point. Is Philly a contender? Yes but they have quite a few question marks. Is Washington a contender? Yes but they seem like they will be overvalued and really have only shown us 1 good season. Atlanta will display a lineup that 2-6 should hit 20+ HR each and a rotation that will be very strong. Like over 86 here for sure.
Twins total seems quite low but they are by far the worst team in that division after KC and Cleveland made huge improvements this year. Considering they only won 64 games last year in a season that saw Detroit struggle until late I think it's a no play for me. KC/Cleveland both have potential to win some ball games. Cleveland should surprise a lot of people this year but it's certainly hard to justify betting the over there with a rotation that is a total landmine. No doubt they made a lot of moves to improve and Francona is a great manager but when your rotation features Masteron and Jimenez as your best guys I struggle to take the over. Are they a sleeper team for me this year? Absolutely they are because if Bauer develops, Masterson/Jimenez return to form, we could see a wilcard contender. Ultimately I like that I see someone not pounding over 95 on Toronto or Los Angeles, I'm glad there is still a few realists around. Really like that Atlanta play at first look and would have to dig deeper into the other two to better talk about it. |
DoubleUp4Life | 70 |
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I don't understand the Bourn/Soriano comparison for a few reasons (some of which have been mentioned.)
- Soriano has power (32HR last year) Bourn does not (9HR last year) - Soriano is a defensive liability, Bourn is the best CF in the game - Soriano stole 6 bases last year and 2 the year before, Bourn stole 42 last year and 61 the year before - Soriano can't play CF for multiple reasons, Bourn is a natural at the position - Bourn draws close to double the amount of BB - Bourn hit 10 triples last year, Soriano hit 7 in the last 5 years I like both guys but Soriano is well documented on being one of the worst defensive players out there. Have you seen some of his routes? Bourn to the Indians is great for Cleveland and I was saying before they signed him that they have a good team. Just no way he should be compared to Soriano. |
LawsonJames | 11 |
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Speaking from personal experience only here so go easy.
First, the only sport I bet on is baseball. I grew up playing for many all star teams and my life revolved around baseball. When you know the game as well as I know it, it makes sense to consider yourself a baseball expert when it comes to sports. I truly believe if you're going to bet baseball profitably, you need to spend time analyzing it. Second, starting pitchers are crucial but not the end all be all. Just because Verlander, Price. or Felix is taking the mound doesn't mean you should lay -240. Even if they go the distance and only give up a run, they need run support. Exploit these situations. Momentum is huge (see San Fran) last year. You have to factor it in and I can tell you from my playing days just how big of a deal it makes. Beware of August/September... toughest months for sure and from my experience, August in particular. When a team has 30-40 games left and they've been eliminated, they pack it in. Late September the contenders start setting rosters up for playoffs so you have to pay extra special attention. For totals you need to look at weather and this can be perfectly shown by Wrigley Field.
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steve2412 | 29 |
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I don't see them.
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DoubleUp4Life | 70 |
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Will they win the division? No, absolutely not.
Are they a much improved team that is likely to get undervalued in a lot of spots? Yes. I really like this Cleveland team and see them improving a lot over the next few years. That being said, I just don't see how Detroit doesn't win this division. |
EastOakland | 75 |
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Great for The Mariners, they sure do look as if they want to compete sooner then later. It will be interesting because this contract should serve a pretty good benchmark for Kershaw and Verlander who both hit free agency soon and have voiced that they would like to remain where they are. Just my opinion but Verlander is likely going to get more then both of these guys and I don't think 200 million is far fetched.
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Sparky10191 | 27 |
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D-Backs have bullpen issues but I agree they're getting looked over again. Kennedy, Cahill, Mccarthy, Miley are a very above average starting 4. I project Skaggs makes the team out of camp plus they also should get Hudson back at some point next season
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Rayj1330 | 39 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191: Like to make a prediction on when that will be? 5 years they should be rebuilt enough to at least compete for a wild card. Next 2-3 years likely to be very ugly. 07 and 08 Giants were not good (barely won 70 games) and 4 years later they have 2 World Series. Astros are a whole different scenario but they have a better farm system then The Giants did and realize that a complete re-gut is necessary.
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TheGoldenGoose | 28 |
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How can we even debate them having a good farm system? It's one of the deepest out there and not only that, but they are going to continuously having good draft position for the next few years to further the depth. You can bet on Houston being a contender again
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TheGoldenGoose | 28 |
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Don't quite get why people are ragging on Houston for making this trade. The team is years away from anything but last in the division and they need to rebuild. Lowrie is a fine player but he's certainly not someone that your going to build around.
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packers1992 | 5 |
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I'll throw Cleveland out there. Above average lineup and with a rebound from Masterson/Jimenez we could see them hover around .500. Swisher/Reynolds signings have upside and Cabrera/Kipnis certainly can hold their own with many SS/2B. Carlos Santana is an underrated catcher who could hit 25+ HR.
Rotation is certainly a question mark.. Bauer is still developing but likely sees a good amount of work this year, Kazmir is a longshot at cracking the roster but he's shown promise in winter ball. Masterson could use another pitch but has posted good numbers before with what he has and Jimenez was an ace only a few short years ago. Certainly not going to win the division but likely will be able to get a good O/U number on total wins as they only won 68 last year,
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Rayj1330 | 39 |
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