hoop121

is anyone still running this or did you get stopped out by your bookie?

looks like there were two definite wins last weekend with 2 more on the fence based on the line that you got.

make sure you are playing every game that qualifies.

i used to bet small on games from 33-39% and 61-80% and i bet very large on games that were 40-60%

only play full games that are between 40% and 60%. maybe that will help you out.

i've stopped tracking them because my book cut me off, but over a 5 year period this system was way way WAY in the money on full games and first halves. not sure what happened this year but i find it hard to believe that it's been a loser.

if your books accept these bets then follow them blindly and do not try to modify anything. just follow the system. the best ones are in the 40-58% range. they hit at about a 62% clip.

word to the wise: STAY UNDER THE RADAR!!

throw some random bets in there that you wouldn't mind losing as well.

you DO NOT WANT YOUR BOOK FINDING OUT THAT YOU ARE DOING THESE!!!

The book will turn it off and you will never have this holy grail again.

When I first started doing this I would only bet $50-$100 per parlay. When I realized how much of a gold mine they were I ended up only gambling during college football and by year 5 I was betting $1k-$2k per parlay.

Of course, my bookie grew very suspicious of this and checked my bets. I got an incredibly angry phone call from him and he closed me account. I made over $100k in 5 years betting with this system. It literally is the holy grail.

YOU WILL NOT LOSE

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1. it's the same as a bar owner letting their manager make bank runs the next day with the last night's sales

2. the pro's never bet a "large chunck" of their money on any one game or any one day for that matter.

what was the book?

it's pretty complex and uses a combination of hedging strategies to neutralize the volatility to my bank roll in the case of a "hot roller".

like i said, the key is money management. basically, i try to maximize gains during a winning streak and mitigate losses during a losing streak.

the progression is very simple:

betting unit 1 = x

after first bet wins, increase by x*1.5

if second bet wins, increase by x*2

if you lose then go back one step until you get to one betting unit and just keep betting one unit until you win.

after three wins in a row, start over.

the rest of the system is hedging

there are phone apps that allow you to place bets?

played craps with Jerry Rice at the Palazzo last Novemeber. he was betting pass line and the placing numbers and i was betting don't pass and don't come. it was as close to head to head as you're gonna get. after i made about $600 and he lost about $3k he switched over and started using my strategy. he ended up making about $1k after we were done.

i've been back 3x since then hoping to see him again and see if he is still using my system.

thanks for the advice guys.

i ended up doing some more independant research and came up with a pretty decent craps "dark side" system that ended up returning 180% in profits.

i must say, i have found that the key to leaving Vegas a winner is:

1. a solid money management system. it's not what you bet, but HOW you bet. and anything having to do with doubling your money after a loss is a sure fire way to lose your bankroll in a hurry.

2. the main reason why most people leave Vegas a winner......

they have to make their flight.

i think you missed the point.

i wasn't asking for an unbeatable craps or black jack strategy. i was looking for someone to share some wisdom on a way to increase my chances of winning.

There are several ways of playing probabilities and hedging your bets in craps that can minimize losses and protect from huge P&L swings.

I'd like to knoe if anyone has a personal strategy that they are willing to share.

Obviously, I know that there are no guaranteed winning strategies. "Vegas wasn't built on..."

I'm headed to Vegas in about a month and would like to be as prepared as possible to increase my chances of winning.

Anyone have any solid craps or black jack strategies they'd like to share? Or a very good MM system?