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replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting ....however I just read they took a couple hits to two starting DTs. Someone mentioned Pitt could b slipping. I think they could b due for a downturn as well. Not a very in depth analysis I know. But I am merely trying to stir up some brainstorms and thicken the stew. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 17, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Looks like we add Cincy to the list. We now have 5 probable solid tms. Have to acknowledge some gd points Andarmac99 made about Denver View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 17, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Lks like we got 4 strong contenders. Ari - Jax - Sea - and Denver. These 4 are pretty obvious. We still have 6 spots left. Lets try to fill em in. Its time to start sifting through the injurys and depth charts to see if we can find some tms that have unexpectedly come between a rock and a hard spot. The toughest question that applies to this thread would b to try and foresee the surprise tms that will get into the bottom . Let me throw a few out there for instance.... ....is it possible that Chi-SD-Jets-Balty or Pitt slip away on defense. I know its tuff to invision a big drop from these tms but Ill go out on a limb and suggest Chi has the biggest chance to fade defensively. Due mostly to the possibility that thier offense is likely to put them in a lot of tuff spots. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 17, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting So far we have a 100% consensus that Denver will b terrible on defense. Nobody disagreeing (so far) that sea will suck. Most feel that Jax will continue to b a defensive sieve. Some strong arguments for Buff, Hou and Minny to pull out of the bottom 10. Who will b the tms to replace them? Who are the tms that were very or moderately successful on defense that will fill the vacancies in the "10 worst defenses in the NFL". View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 17, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Eightypercent....I must concede that I have no real basis to believe Mia might b a bottom feeder on defense. I threw those tms out there hoping for feedback w/out really investigating. Im glad u responded with some gd/informative feedback. Thats the stuff Im looking for! View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 16, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting I watched the first few series of the Jets/Texans gm very closely to try and see how Texans defense is progressing. Although its silly to try and draw conclusions from preseason gms (esp the first game) I thought I saw some positives that could signal hope for improvement. Hou secondary did a gd job of coverage down the field. Forcing a lot of checkdowns for short passes. However the Jets did expose the possibility of success against Hou w/the dink and dunk passing attack. The Texans also did a nice job getting to the QB in long yardage passing situations w/blitzs where the Jets appeared lost and confused at trying to (or not trying to) pick them up. Most of the sacks by Hou were mainly uncontested. I expect tms will b a little more savy at picking up the blitzs come reg season but it will give the opposition more to worry about. So for what its worth I guess Ill say theres some upside concerning Houstons new defense. Mainly in the secondary. Some concern about a possible soft underbelly but overall a positive first outing in my opinion. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 16, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Drifter.... U point is absolutely correct. Actually, the fact that these things change from year to year is what makes trying to formulate a picture of what these changes might b (in order to get a step ahead of public perception and the oddsmakers who do base a lot of thier stand on games based on last season and ,whether they admit it or not, the preseason) so important if u want to bet the first 3 or 4 wks. Theres no edge in waiting 5 wks for the same info everyone else gets. The rub, however, is u better b correct (or lucky if you are of the glass half school of philosophy) in the predicted assessment. So we try. I post this thread in hopes of getting insights outside my own and encourage everyone to take what they find of value and discard what they feel is rubbish. But, going back to Drifters comment on change.... I agree that the list will be different. A few will improve and climb out of the "ten worst defenses", a few will unexpectedly join the list, and some will remain.....we can sit back for 1/3 of the season and start capping with the same stats as every Tom Dick and Harry or.... Attempt to fill in the blanks with some collective insights around the nation. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 15, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Thanks for input fellas. More would b nice. I think Im gonna agree with Sea and Minn will probably fit into this list. Not sure I can agree with Wash but they usually have to carry the load by being on the field an awful lot. Ill concede that it is possible they scratch the bottom ten. I like the Saints to improve defensively. Breese is determined and focused to get his off back on top and theres no doubt in my mind hes smart/talented/determined enough to do so. More off means defense has to work less and surely the Saints have addressed some of the defensive issues. Definitely envision a defense that wont make my list this yr. Houston is possibly in a similar position as NO but on a much more questionable result in both departments in my opinion. Ill take the believe it when I see it attitude but I will be very keen to observe and take special notes on poss improvement early on. What about Indy, Stl, Atl, Ari or Mia? Im not sure but these are a few that have possibilities of allowing a lot of points as well. Does anyone have a good feel for how any of these tms will fare defensively. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 14, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Bad defensive tms are generally gd to bet against when they are giving points. Dont want to suggest blindly betting any angle but knowing who these tms are on the card each wk is a step in the right direction. If anybody has a favorite tm or a team that they are very tuned into that they strongly believe would qualify and definitly perform as one of the "10 worst defenses" (where they rank is not worth a debate, its just important that the tm truly fits the billing) please list the tm or tm(s) u are sure will give it up defensively. Im pretty sure (for example) Denver and Houston will b somewhere on the list of "10 worst defenses" throughout the season. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 14, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Its the All Star break....Lets play God. in MLB Betting U actually followed the format. In this thread u are a god. Congrats. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	6	July 12, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Its the All Star break....Lets play God. in MLB Betting Good star crop. Now do the other three. Fielder is really ur best choice? Thats fine. Im not looking to start a debate. Just make choices based on ur values and gut feelings about players. Its not really about how good a player is. Its about your personal likes, dislikes and the values you appreciate in a player. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	6	July 12, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic Its the All Star break....Lets play God. in MLB Betting List 2 starting pitchers ....1 u really like. Not necesarily a stat leader. But someone you respect. Pick a slugger as well. Now chose a starting pitcher that, in ur guts, you think is a jackass. Do the same with 2 sluggers. Plz pick current players only. Since there is nothing else to talk about except the all star game (well, there is a lot we could discuss, but I digress) lets have some fun and indulge in a little self righteous character judgement. Ill start ....2 Pitchers: Jackass - John Lackey/ Class act -Tim Wakefield. .....2 Sluggers: Jackass - Prince Fielder/ Class act - Jim Thome. No need to elaborate or worry about right or wrong. Just go with your gut feelings about your favorite and least favorite baseball characters. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	6	July 12, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to How bad is UTAH in College Basketball Question should b... How bad is UNLV? Utah performance was putrid. Seems like an improving tm if you can throw out this abortion. Still....almost made a game of it. No way can one look upon this as UNLV getting back on track. More like theyre are slipping deeper into mediocritry if not the dregs while the rest of the conference is gaining. View Post \| View Thread	Seibo21	6	February 03, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to I dont always post....but when I do, I prefer winners.....Saturday 12/19 in College Basketball ... and posting winners is great way to live vicariously through oneself.... ha ha. Love that commercial. Love the Zags, K.St. and NWstern also. BOL. View Post \| View Thread	TRAIN69	19	December 19, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to MLB 6/1 in MLB Betting Sounds like the Email I got saying I won the Thailand lottery. Ha... View Post \| View Thread	Reckoner	6	June 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Money line question in NFL Betting Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478: Usually a 6.5 pt spread = -270 +250 apprx Not as bad as I thought but still off by a good margin. Thank you very much. Thats 75 to 50 dollars of lost value per 100 if you took Cards ML with no points. Real smart bet. Probably wont matter anyway. Not criticizing a bet on the Cards guys just sick of being called square for taking the Fav when the same people are betting the Cards ML. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	9	February 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Money line question in NFL Betting Heeheeheee!!!!!! View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	9	February 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Money line question in NFL Betting Thanks I know -3 is usually about -150, not real sure I think it changes the more points. I just kinda think if you took Card Ml at +200 or less you really got screwed before the game even started. Better to take the points and just lay more $$$$. Just pisses me off when people were calling me stupid to bet Pitt and then they bet the ML on the Cards. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	9	February 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Money line question in NFL Betting cmon someone must know this...any aspiring bookies out there? View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	9	February 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic Money line question in NFL Betting Does anyone know what the Money line would normally be for +/- 6 1/2 before any money comes in. Its -220 and +175 at kickoff in most places. Just wondering how much value Pitt ML backers are getting as to how screwed Card ML backers are getting? View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	9	February 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread

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replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting ....however I just read they took a couple hits to two starting DTs. Someone mentioned Pitt could b slipping. I think they could b due for a downturn as well. Not a very in depth analysis I know. But I am merely trying to stir up some brainstorms and thicken the stew. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 17, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Looks like we add Cincy to the list. We now have 5 probable solid tms. Have to acknowledge some gd points Andarmac99 made about Denver View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 17, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Lks like we got 4 strong contenders. Ari - Jax - Sea - and Denver. These 4 are pretty obvious. We still have 6 spots left. Lets try to fill em in. Its time to start sifting through the injurys and depth charts to see if we can find some tms that have unexpectedly come between a rock and a hard spot. The toughest question that applies to this thread would b to try and foresee the surprise tms that will get into the bottom . Let me throw a few out there for instance.... ....is it possible that Chi-SD-Jets-Balty or Pitt slip away on defense. I know its tuff to invision a big drop from these tms but Ill go out on a limb and suggest Chi has the biggest chance to fade defensively. Due mostly to the possibility that thier offense is likely to put them in a lot of tuff spots. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 17, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting So far we have a 100% consensus that Denver will b terrible on defense. Nobody disagreeing (so far) that sea will suck. Most feel that Jax will continue to b a defensive sieve. Some strong arguments for Buff, Hou and Minny to pull out of the bottom 10. Who will b the tms to replace them? Who are the tms that were very or moderately successful on defense that will fill the vacancies in the "10 worst defenses in the NFL". View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 17, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Eightypercent....I must concede that I have no real basis to believe Mia might b a bottom feeder on defense. I threw those tms out there hoping for feedback w/out really investigating. Im glad u responded with some gd/informative feedback. Thats the stuff Im looking for! View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 16, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting I watched the first few series of the Jets/Texans gm very closely to try and see how Texans defense is progressing. Although its silly to try and draw conclusions from preseason gms (esp the first game) I thought I saw some positives that could signal hope for improvement. Hou secondary did a gd job of coverage down the field. Forcing a lot of checkdowns for short passes. However the Jets did expose the possibility of success against Hou w/the dink and dunk passing attack. The Texans also did a nice job getting to the QB in long yardage passing situations w/blitzs where the Jets appeared lost and confused at trying to (or not trying to) pick them up. Most of the sacks by Hou were mainly uncontested. I expect tms will b a little more savy at picking up the blitzs come reg season but it will give the opposition more to worry about. So for what its worth I guess Ill say theres some upside concerning Houstons new defense. Mainly in the secondary. Some concern about a possible soft underbelly but overall a positive first outing in my opinion. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 16, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Drifter.... U point is absolutely correct. Actually, the fact that these things change from year to year is what makes trying to formulate a picture of what these changes might b (in order to get a step ahead of public perception and the oddsmakers who do base a lot of thier stand on games based on last season and ,whether they admit it or not, the preseason) so important if u want to bet the first 3 or 4 wks. Theres no edge in waiting 5 wks for the same info everyone else gets. The rub, however, is u better b correct (or lucky if you are of the glass half school of philosophy) in the predicted assessment. So we try. I post this thread in hopes of getting insights outside my own and encourage everyone to take what they find of value and discard what they feel is rubbish. But, going back to Drifters comment on change.... I agree that the list will be different. A few will improve and climb out of the "ten worst defenses", a few will unexpectedly join the list, and some will remain.....we can sit back for 1/3 of the season and start capping with the same stats as every Tom Dick and Harry or.... Attempt to fill in the blanks with some collective insights around the nation. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 15, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Thanks for input fellas. More would b nice. I think Im gonna agree with Sea and Minn will probably fit into this list. Not sure I can agree with Wash but they usually have to carry the load by being on the field an awful lot. Ill concede that it is possible they scratch the bottom ten. I like the Saints to improve defensively. Breese is determined and focused to get his off back on top and theres no doubt in my mind hes smart/talented/determined enough to do so. More off means defense has to work less and surely the Saints have addressed some of the defensive issues. Definitely envision a defense that wont make my list this yr. Houston is possibly in a similar position as NO but on a much more questionable result in both departments in my opinion. Ill take the believe it when I see it attitude but I will be very keen to observe and take special notes on poss improvement early on. What about Indy, Stl, Atl, Ari or Mia? Im not sure but these are a few that have possibilities of allowing a lot of points as well. Does anyone have a good feel for how any of these tms will fare defensively. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 14, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic 10 worst defensive tms in the NFL in NFL Betting Bad defensive tms are generally gd to bet against when they are giving points. Dont want to suggest blindly betting any angle but knowing who these tms are on the card each wk is a step in the right direction. If anybody has a favorite tm or a team that they are very tuned into that they strongly believe would qualify and definitly perform as one of the "10 worst defenses" (where they rank is not worth a debate, its just important that the tm truly fits the billing) please list the tm or tm(s) u are sure will give it up defensively. Im pretty sure (for example) Denver and Houston will b somewhere on the list of "10 worst defenses" throughout the season. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	31	August 14, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Its the All Star break....Lets play God. in MLB Betting U actually followed the format. In this thread u are a god. Congrats. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	6	July 12, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Its the All Star break....Lets play God. in MLB Betting Good star crop. Now do the other three. Fielder is really ur best choice? Thats fine. Im not looking to start a debate. Just make choices based on ur values and gut feelings about players. Its not really about how good a player is. Its about your personal likes, dislikes and the values you appreciate in a player. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	6	July 12, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic Its the All Star break....Lets play God. in MLB Betting List 2 starting pitchers ....1 u really like. Not necesarily a stat leader. But someone you respect. Pick a slugger as well. Now chose a starting pitcher that, in ur guts, you think is a jackass. Do the same with 2 sluggers. Plz pick current players only. Since there is nothing else to talk about except the all star game (well, there is a lot we could discuss, but I digress) lets have some fun and indulge in a little self righteous character judgement. Ill start ....2 Pitchers: Jackass - John Lackey/ Class act -Tim Wakefield. .....2 Sluggers: Jackass - Prince Fielder/ Class act - Jim Thome. No need to elaborate or worry about right or wrong. Just go with your gut feelings about your favorite and least favorite baseball characters. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	6	July 12, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to How bad is UTAH in College Basketball Question should b... How bad is UNLV? Utah performance was putrid. Seems like an improving tm if you can throw out this abortion. Still....almost made a game of it. No way can one look upon this as UNLV getting back on track. More like theyre are slipping deeper into mediocritry if not the dregs while the rest of the conference is gaining. View Post \| View Thread	Seibo21	6	February 03, 2011 View Post \| View Thread
replied to I dont always post....but when I do, I prefer winners.....Saturday 12/19 in College Basketball ... and posting winners is great way to live vicariously through oneself.... ha ha. Love that commercial. Love the Zags, K.St. and NWstern also. BOL. View Post \| View Thread	TRAIN69	19	December 19, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to MLB 6/1 in MLB Betting Sounds like the Email I got saying I won the Thailand lottery. Ha... View Post \| View Thread	Reckoner	6	June 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Money line question in NFL Betting Quote Originally Posted by rangerz2478: Usually a 6.5 pt spread = -270 +250 apprx Not as bad as I thought but still off by a good margin. Thank you very much. Thats 75 to 50 dollars of lost value per 100 if you took Cards ML with no points. Real smart bet. Probably wont matter anyway. Not criticizing a bet on the Cards guys just sick of being called square for taking the Fav when the same people are betting the Cards ML. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	9	February 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Money line question in NFL Betting Heeheeheee!!!!!! View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	9	February 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Money line question in NFL Betting Thanks I know -3 is usually about -150, not real sure I think it changes the more points. I just kinda think if you took Card Ml at +200 or less you really got screwed before the game even started. Better to take the points and just lay more $$$$. Just pisses me off when people were calling me stupid to bet Pitt and then they bet the ML on the Cards. View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	9	February 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Money line question in NFL Betting cmon someone must know this...any aspiring bookies out there? View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	9	February 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic Money line question in NFL Betting Does anyone know what the Money line would normally be for +/- 6 1/2 before any money comes in. Its -220 and +175 at kickoff in most places. Just wondering how much value Pitt ML backers are getting as to how screwed Card ML backers are getting? View Post \| View Thread	NattyBumpo	9	February 01, 2009 View Post \| View Thread

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