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replied to Bookmaker.eu - Average Player Balances? in Gaming Industry - US I would never keep more then $10k on Bookmaker/BetDSI (Diamond Sportsbook) at one time. Good luck on trying to have them wire you $50k. Believe me you will be waiting all year to get that money. It's taking them 20+ business days just to pay out a dinky $2500 through paycard right now. I posted about this issue on another thread as a number of other posters have complained about being slow played by Diamond sportsbook. They are slow paying EVERYBODY and have disabled bitcoin withdrawls for both books, you can deposit via bitcoins but not withdraw. They claim it's due to your player level with the book that determines on whether or not you can make a bitcoin withdrawl according to one CSR at Diamond sportsbook, while another told me that site wide its disabled....Freudian slip. I would not keep ANY money on bookmaker, if you have $50k on it bankwire it out immediately because it will take all year to get it..... View Post \| View Thread	Golazo	10	April 29, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Circle closed my account in Gaming Industry - US "Just use an intermediate wallet next time that doesn't concern themselves with that bs" By the way....people have had their accounts closed by circle and coinbase even when using intermediate wallets. As you know yourself ALL bitcoins transactions are registered on the blockchain so it does not matter if you are using just one intermediary as the statistical analysis will still end up with that intermediary sending the coins to the final destination (Nitrogen). You are going to start having to use mixing services if you are going to want to be completely safe with using coinbase/circle otherwise it's just a matter of time. One intermediary wallet will do nothing against the sophisticated statistical analysis that Circle and Coinbase are doing via some third party. View Post \| View Thread	starry	5	April 01, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Circle closed my account in Gaming Industry - US bitcoins are only traceable to a specific person and/or entity through poor security. Clearly Circle is using statistical analysis of the blockchain and has found a common demoninator that link's certain wallets to Nitrogen sports. This is a problem with Nitrogen sports as their security clearly sucks. They allow you to receive bitcoins into the same wallet address every deposit which should not happen, it should be a new wallet every time that's first off. Secondly they clearly aren't mixing their wallets very well. But hats off to Circle as they are clearly using a good third party that performs automated statistical analysis of the blockchain, possibly the US Govt themselves that's analyzing the blockchains as they are regulated by the Govt. Who knows who is running the statistical analysis on the blockchain to determine where your coins are going too (what specific entity), but its not nearly as easy as you may think it is. View Post \| View Thread	starry	5	April 01, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic Circle closed my account in Gaming Industry - US Circle closed my account after only 3 deposits to my Nitrogen sports wallet. I didn't use a middle man account, I only deposited about $600 to my Nitrogensports wallet account over the course of a month. I got this e-mail in the past few days, I won't say specifically as I don't want them to be able to confirm my account was involved in gambling because they have my information. Needless to say I am absolutely stunned that they were able to come to this conclusion with only 3 deposits to one wallet totalling only $600. I also never made any withdrawals from Circle and my account was fully verified. As a techie who has been using bitcoins for years I am absolutely stunned that they could come to this conclusion with so little account activity. I'm definitely not a conspiracy theorist but I like to think of all possibilities, and my head certainly is scrambled right now. Link is a screenshot of the e-mail they sent me. https://imgur.com/ntrg2qJ View Post \| View Thread	starry	5	April 01, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Bookmaker back2card payouts delayed??? in Gaming Industry - US Quote Originally Posted by cuwgolfer: As of April 1st, a full month from when my pay2card withdrawal request was processed, I still haven't recieved my funds. I was on live chat with them AGAIN and got the same answer saying that the payouts are delayed and they are currently going through the holidays and that I should receive my money by the end of next week at the latest. I have been told that for 3 straight weeks. If bookmakers payments are being delayed, that's a huge problem as they have ALWAYS been solid with payouts. To make matters worse, I'm waiting on 2 payments and both are over 2k so it is leaving a sour taste in my mouth. I don't doubt I'll get the $$$, but the fact it has taken a month is disturbing and waiting on TWO payments that were both processed a week apart is frustrating.... sorry for the rant If you didn't read my earlier post they told me the same sob story last month when I got a pay2card it took 11 business days and they told me ofc it was tax a maximum of 7 business days but it will be in my account in 3-5. They told me there was a delay only after I called in for like the 5th time that it was because of "chinese new years" because their processor was in China. Which is complete bullshit because I lived and taught english in China and commerce is the absolute #1 priority in China no matter what time of the year it is. View Post \| View Thread	cuwgolfer	20	April 01, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Justbet Payout Delay in Gaming Industry - US Everybody is. They are slow paying the darn out of everybody. Stay away from them. Get your money out and leave. There are lots of other threads on this. With the money laundering investigation into 5Dimes and the FBI investigation into WU allowing mules for bookies, the garbage is about to hit the fan my friend. The books know and you should get smart. View Post \| View Thread	Betson22	2	March 31, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 5 Dimes Warning in Gaming Industry - US Quote Originally Posted by RLeith35: They told me, they know about this situation and everything will be O.K.. Are you shitting me? You actually believe one word your book tells you? Rule #1 through Rule #100. Never ever believe anything your book tells you. They are pure scum. They will pull every trick in the book to make you lose your money, and they have a lot of them. Through trying to upset you with poor customer service on the phone so you go on tilt, to slow paying you, to limiting you, they will do anything they can to keep you gambling and get you upset so you make poor decisions. View Post \| View Thread	BigBacon75	16	March 31, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Bookmaker back2card payouts delayed??? in Gaming Industry - US Quote Originally Posted by cuwgolfer: Been using Bookmaker for several years now and have never ran into any problems. A big reason why I play here is for the quick payouts, but this past experience has me questioning them which is sad. I currently have two back2card payouts that were approved and processed on March 1st and 8th. It is now march 25th and I have not recieved any payments yet. I have contacted them many times checking in constantly, but they keep telling me that their 3rd party processor is going through updates and it has delayed payouts for a few weeks. I have also been getting answers saying it's holy week so the payments are being delayed due to that as well. I can't really complain too much because they have always been good in the past, but I am getting frustrated waiting for money that should be in my account already. Anyone else having problems with payouts from bookmaker? I've been reading a few things that make it seem like a few people are experiencing the same thing..... They told you it was because of holy week? Hahahahaha. Diamond Sports book (BookMaker/BetDSI) are the absolute worst. I requested a pay2card payout last month and it took 11 business days to get to my card because it was "chinese new years". I made a thread advising people to get all of their money out of Diamond sports book asap and go some place else. They shut down all bitcoin payouts for everybody yet they still take bitcoin deposits. The amount of lies they've told me on the phone is absolutely ridiculous. With the problems 5dimes is having and Diamond sportsbook and the FBI investigation into WU being used by offshore sports books causing all bookies to stop paying out through WU I'd say it's only going to get worse. Also this whole bank statement issue is a delay trick that BM/BetDSI will pull after 10 business days or so they can act like they are trying to figure out why you haven't gotten your money yet. I argued with them on the phone about it, I said why do I need to give you copies of my bank statements in order for you to request the trace ID from your processor so they can track the money? Your processor knows where the money is with or without my bank statements as they can track it....but BetDSI said I couldn't get the trace ID so I can track it myself by asking my bank where the money is if its in their system unless I gave them my bank statements which makes no sense. I had to "prove" the money wasn't in my account before they would ask their processor for the trace ID to see where it is lol. Stay away from BookMaker/BETDSI! View Post \| View Thread	cuwgolfer	20	March 31, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Scammed by Bovada, absolute thievery in Gaming Industry - US You can see similiar complaints to mine over on SBR, many players are having problems with Bovada. https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3122425-sbr-should-downgrade-bodog.html https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3123631-bovada-problems-wager-grading-since-friday-july-24th-2015-a.html https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3123563-bovada-s-new-website-players-chime.html View Post \| View Thread	starry	7	July 29, 2015 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic Scammed by Bovada, absolute thievery in Gaming Industry - US There needs to be a major alert on Bovada before more people get outright robbed by them on this. I am a seasoned gambler and decided that Bovada with all there tennis lines would be a better fit for me as my previous bookie (BetOnline) doesn't provide ITF or Challengers or even doubles. I placed a $200 wager this morning to cover the spread - 1.5 for the match. I'm not going to say for which player because I have cussed out this scam operation over the phone all morning. However they graded my WIN a loss because they are scamming people into putting money on a line that is actually not a match point spread but a set point spread. Yes you heard me right, they are putting PROP BETS on the main line and not telling you. The point spread on the new UI is for a prop bet / set only. Here is what it looked like and what I saw when I made my bet and the MAIN screen of the tennis lines. These are the lines offered on the main screen of the tennis section, notice how it doesn't say prop bet or anything of the sort. You click on tennis and this is what you get. https://i.imgur.com/tGhSbNe.png Then this is what the wagering slip looks like. Notice there is absolutely no mention of this being a prop bet or for only a set. And if it was for a set what set would it be for!? How could you place a prop bet on a set point spread when you can't even specify what set you are betting on? Mind you this was a pregame wager and not a live bet! It looks just like any regular point spread wager. It indeed is any regular point spread wager by all appearances. https://imgur.com/9x96JJg,tGhSbNe#0 I placed my wager and printed out my wagering slip and indeed on the slip it says TENNIS - POINT SPREAD and then lists the players involved and the line I took (player name here - 1.5 (+175). Absolutely zero mention what so ever of a set spread or a prop bet. The lady on the phone even told me that the wagering slip won't say its a set spread but it does say these lines are set spreads only in there rules section! This is out right thievery at its finest. They are absolutely stealing from people. There claim "its in the rules" is absolutely bogus and every one of us hereknows this is complete fraud. I never clicked on any other section besides tennis and looked at the lines and put down $200 on a point spread just as you would do on any normal match or game wager. This company is without a doubt the most criminal and sleazebag operation in sportsbetting! View Post \| View Thread	starry	7	July 29, 2015 View Post \| View Thread

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replied to Bookmaker.eu - Average Player Balances? in Gaming Industry - US I would never keep more then $10k on Bookmaker/BetDSI (Diamond Sportsbook) at one time. Good luck on trying to have them wire you $50k. Believe me you will be waiting all year to get that money. It's taking them 20+ business days just to pay out a dinky $2500 through paycard right now. I posted about this issue on another thread as a number of other posters have complained about being slow played by Diamond sportsbook. They are slow paying EVERYBODY and have disabled bitcoin withdrawls for both books, you can deposit via bitcoins but not withdraw. They claim it's due to your player level with the book that determines on whether or not you can make a bitcoin withdrawl according to one CSR at Diamond sportsbook, while another told me that site wide its disabled....Freudian slip. I would not keep ANY money on bookmaker, if you have $50k on it bankwire it out immediately because it will take all year to get it..... View Post \| View Thread	Golazo	10	April 29, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Circle closed my account in Gaming Industry - US "Just use an intermediate wallet next time that doesn't concern themselves with that bs" By the way....people have had their accounts closed by circle and coinbase even when using intermediate wallets. As you know yourself ALL bitcoins transactions are registered on the blockchain so it does not matter if you are using just one intermediary as the statistical analysis will still end up with that intermediary sending the coins to the final destination (Nitrogen). You are going to start having to use mixing services if you are going to want to be completely safe with using coinbase/circle otherwise it's just a matter of time. One intermediary wallet will do nothing against the sophisticated statistical analysis that Circle and Coinbase are doing via some third party. View Post \| View Thread	starry	5	April 01, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Circle closed my account in Gaming Industry - US bitcoins are only traceable to a specific person and/or entity through poor security. Clearly Circle is using statistical analysis of the blockchain and has found a common demoninator that link's certain wallets to Nitrogen sports. This is a problem with Nitrogen sports as their security clearly sucks. They allow you to receive bitcoins into the same wallet address every deposit which should not happen, it should be a new wallet every time that's first off. Secondly they clearly aren't mixing their wallets very well. But hats off to Circle as they are clearly using a good third party that performs automated statistical analysis of the blockchain, possibly the US Govt themselves that's analyzing the blockchains as they are regulated by the Govt. Who knows who is running the statistical analysis on the blockchain to determine where your coins are going too (what specific entity), but its not nearly as easy as you may think it is. View Post \| View Thread	starry	5	April 01, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic Circle closed my account in Gaming Industry - US Circle closed my account after only 3 deposits to my Nitrogen sports wallet. I didn't use a middle man account, I only deposited about $600 to my Nitrogensports wallet account over the course of a month. I got this e-mail in the past few days, I won't say specifically as I don't want them to be able to confirm my account was involved in gambling because they have my information. Needless to say I am absolutely stunned that they were able to come to this conclusion with only 3 deposits to one wallet totalling only $600. I also never made any withdrawals from Circle and my account was fully verified. As a techie who has been using bitcoins for years I am absolutely stunned that they could come to this conclusion with so little account activity. I'm definitely not a conspiracy theorist but I like to think of all possibilities, and my head certainly is scrambled right now. Link is a screenshot of the e-mail they sent me. https://imgur.com/ntrg2qJ View Post \| View Thread	starry	5	April 01, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Bookmaker back2card payouts delayed??? in Gaming Industry - US Quote Originally Posted by cuwgolfer: As of April 1st, a full month from when my pay2card withdrawal request was processed, I still haven't recieved my funds. I was on live chat with them AGAIN and got the same answer saying that the payouts are delayed and they are currently going through the holidays and that I should receive my money by the end of next week at the latest. I have been told that for 3 straight weeks. If bookmakers payments are being delayed, that's a huge problem as they have ALWAYS been solid with payouts. To make matters worse, I'm waiting on 2 payments and both are over 2k so it is leaving a sour taste in my mouth. I don't doubt I'll get the $$$, but the fact it has taken a month is disturbing and waiting on TWO payments that were both processed a week apart is frustrating.... sorry for the rant If you didn't read my earlier post they told me the same sob story last month when I got a pay2card it took 11 business days and they told me ofc it was tax a maximum of 7 business days but it will be in my account in 3-5. They told me there was a delay only after I called in for like the 5th time that it was because of "chinese new years" because their processor was in China. Which is complete bullshit because I lived and taught english in China and commerce is the absolute #1 priority in China no matter what time of the year it is. View Post \| View Thread	cuwgolfer	20	April 01, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Justbet Payout Delay in Gaming Industry - US Everybody is. They are slow paying the darn out of everybody. Stay away from them. Get your money out and leave. There are lots of other threads on this. With the money laundering investigation into 5Dimes and the FBI investigation into WU allowing mules for bookies, the garbage is about to hit the fan my friend. The books know and you should get smart. View Post \| View Thread	Betson22	2	March 31, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to 5 Dimes Warning in Gaming Industry - US Quote Originally Posted by RLeith35: They told me, they know about this situation and everything will be O.K.. Are you shitting me? You actually believe one word your book tells you? Rule #1 through Rule #100. Never ever believe anything your book tells you. They are pure scum. They will pull every trick in the book to make you lose your money, and they have a lot of them. Through trying to upset you with poor customer service on the phone so you go on tilt, to slow paying you, to limiting you, they will do anything they can to keep you gambling and get you upset so you make poor decisions. View Post \| View Thread	BigBacon75	16	March 31, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Bookmaker back2card payouts delayed??? in Gaming Industry - US Quote Originally Posted by cuwgolfer: Been using Bookmaker for several years now and have never ran into any problems. A big reason why I play here is for the quick payouts, but this past experience has me questioning them which is sad. I currently have two back2card payouts that were approved and processed on March 1st and 8th. It is now march 25th and I have not recieved any payments yet. I have contacted them many times checking in constantly, but they keep telling me that their 3rd party processor is going through updates and it has delayed payouts for a few weeks. I have also been getting answers saying it's holy week so the payments are being delayed due to that as well. I can't really complain too much because they have always been good in the past, but I am getting frustrated waiting for money that should be in my account already. Anyone else having problems with payouts from bookmaker? I've been reading a few things that make it seem like a few people are experiencing the same thing..... They told you it was because of holy week? Hahahahaha. Diamond Sports book (BookMaker/BetDSI) are the absolute worst. I requested a pay2card payout last month and it took 11 business days to get to my card because it was "chinese new years". I made a thread advising people to get all of their money out of Diamond sports book asap and go some place else. They shut down all bitcoin payouts for everybody yet they still take bitcoin deposits. The amount of lies they've told me on the phone is absolutely ridiculous. With the problems 5dimes is having and Diamond sportsbook and the FBI investigation into WU being used by offshore sports books causing all bookies to stop paying out through WU I'd say it's only going to get worse. Also this whole bank statement issue is a delay trick that BM/BetDSI will pull after 10 business days or so they can act like they are trying to figure out why you haven't gotten your money yet. I argued with them on the phone about it, I said why do I need to give you copies of my bank statements in order for you to request the trace ID from your processor so they can track the money? Your processor knows where the money is with or without my bank statements as they can track it....but BetDSI said I couldn't get the trace ID so I can track it myself by asking my bank where the money is if its in their system unless I gave them my bank statements which makes no sense. I had to "prove" the money wasn't in my account before they would ask their processor for the trace ID to see where it is lol. Stay away from BookMaker/BETDSI! View Post \| View Thread	cuwgolfer	20	March 31, 2016 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Scammed by Bovada, absolute thievery in Gaming Industry - US You can see similiar complaints to mine over on SBR, many players are having problems with Bovada. https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3122425-sbr-should-downgrade-bodog.html https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3123631-bovada-problems-wager-grading-since-friday-july-24th-2015-a.html https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3123563-bovada-s-new-website-players-chime.html View Post \| View Thread	starry	7	July 29, 2015 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic Scammed by Bovada, absolute thievery in Gaming Industry - US There needs to be a major alert on Bovada before more people get outright robbed by them on this. I am a seasoned gambler and decided that Bovada with all there tennis lines would be a better fit for me as my previous bookie (BetOnline) doesn't provide ITF or Challengers or even doubles. I placed a $200 wager this morning to cover the spread - 1.5 for the match. I'm not going to say for which player because I have cussed out this scam operation over the phone all morning. However they graded my WIN a loss because they are scamming people into putting money on a line that is actually not a match point spread but a set point spread. Yes you heard me right, they are putting PROP BETS on the main line and not telling you. The point spread on the new UI is for a prop bet / set only. Here is what it looked like and what I saw when I made my bet and the MAIN screen of the tennis lines. These are the lines offered on the main screen of the tennis section, notice how it doesn't say prop bet or anything of the sort. You click on tennis and this is what you get. https://i.imgur.com/tGhSbNe.png Then this is what the wagering slip looks like. Notice there is absolutely no mention of this being a prop bet or for only a set. And if it was for a set what set would it be for!? How could you place a prop bet on a set point spread when you can't even specify what set you are betting on? Mind you this was a pregame wager and not a live bet! It looks just like any regular point spread wager. It indeed is any regular point spread wager by all appearances. https://imgur.com/9x96JJg,tGhSbNe#0 I placed my wager and printed out my wagering slip and indeed on the slip it says TENNIS - POINT SPREAD and then lists the players involved and the line I took (player name here - 1.5 (+175). Absolutely zero mention what so ever of a set spread or a prop bet. The lady on the phone even told me that the wagering slip won't say its a set spread but it does say these lines are set spreads only in there rules section! This is out right thievery at its finest. They are absolutely stealing from people. There claim "its in the rules" is absolutely bogus and every one of us hereknows this is complete fraud. I never clicked on any other section besides tennis and looked at the lines and put down $200 on a point spread just as you would do on any normal match or game wager. This company is without a doubt the most criminal and sleazebag operation in sportsbetting! View Post \| View Thread	starry	7	July 29, 2015 View Post \| View Thread

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