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True.. old timers said to me, if you didn't great controversy, the fight was only very good.

If I wanted any are all posts or even your ID removed I can do to policy and the threats you made to me... HELLO???

Your bias towards anyone related to Chavez, from his hometown or with that name... get's you all amped!

When Sweat Pea gives you a boxing clinic and Oscar dismantles your grill... TWICE, and Randall gave you more than you can handle, and you won a cheated fight when Taylor won the fight but got the life beat out of him, don't ever consider such a fighter a top 10 lbs-for-lbs.
Chavez's strong points: Great chin, excellent use of head to body punching ratio that physically would break opponents down, over-achiever as his hand speed was average but he was a technical master and he fought using a very important concept, and maybe was the best at doing this... he never threw a punch that didn't have a purpose (basically, it was though like a chess game and not a reaction to his opponent but a proactive process. As the main function and source of all matter in energy, he was able to use his precisely.
When training fighters I used many fighters for different reasons, but it is hard to show a new fighter a Roy Jones Jr 90s fight and tell him to do certain things because Roy was a natural freak. I showed film of fighter with great technique, fundamentals and fighters who properly showed how to cut off a ring, using head and body combos then switching thus confusing his opponent. Also, using his jab 1/3 of the time to do damage and cause fighters to reset (defensive as well), 1/3 of the time to set up distance measured punches, and a final 1/3 to slip in and get inside and back his opponent toward the ropes and allow him to rip 4-5 punch combo's.
That is the type of film you use as a teaching tutorial. I used about a dozen fighters, but Chavez and two others over half the film time.

Apparently you see something in the fight that is technical (not that he is Mexican) and therefore you found something in your handicapping. If that's the case, and you like Julio it's +180. If you don't like him, -200 is a small favorite and you should be betting Sergio. If the odds were +300/-400 then that is a huge differential.

Ragin Bull was GREAT!!! Gotta love when Jake goes down stairs when his brother and family are eating dinner and Jake's wife flipped and said she sucked his brother and etc... and he went down and beat the Fuk out of him.
Chavez wasn't forced out of welterweight because he was so good. Chavez's greatest and most dominating years weren't filmed.
Robinson rematched and defeated every fighter who beat him. He fought LaMotta, lost, fought another great opponent and won, rematched Lamotta within 21 days (that's 3 fights) he beat him despite the size differential. No one comes close to the real Sugar with wins, dominance, consistency...etc. People forgot he mentally lost passion after he had dreams off killing his next opponent. After wanting the delaying the of the fight, finally he was influenced to fight... and he killed the guy.
Remember the fact that with mob betting that many fighters had to throw fights and losses before a title show. Now, take the fact how hard it was for black fighters!
You saw the list of HOF fighters Robinson fought and several times and won in dominant fashion, as Chavez never faced the likes of such talent.

The idea a certain guy has the greatest chin ever is stupid. Either they have phenomenal, great, good, average, bad or a glass jaw or china chin.

The first step to recovery is dropping DENIAL! You are on VIVA MEXICO fighter's S@LTY-NUTS@C%...
I was raised on the streets since 13 so I know how to scrap, and I'm so hardcore I was at a fight before I was born!!! LOL!

LET ME BOLD IN BIG LETTERS AND TYPE ESPANOL SO PEOPLE KNOW ME AS HONDURAS!!!!

You backed out and insinuated you wouldn't get political in the boxing forum. Fine. Post your answer to my question in the Political Forum. Wasn't that your excuse for not answering me???

Nice way to back down. Feel free to post it in Politic Forum.
Also, the is the boxing forum, not the Idol Worship, or Icon only posting forum. If you have anything to add besides Chavez Corona or his son, post it in Fantasy Sports as your quote about Jr breaking papa's records is Fantasy. In reality, Jr has fought and fights tough and the best opponents.
Or a good spot would be ARCHIVES for Sr... it's been a long time since he was fighting tomato cans in the local Mexican HS gym!
Although it's not the Political Forum... I like how you started your fancy sentence..." Anti-Neofuedalistic eugenics based planetary finance capitol controlled colonialism or World government run by private banking cartels to establish a deindustrialized serf based colonialism AKA Hell on Earth".

Michael Wilbon : I know he is a sports commentator, which usually means that most are clueless, even in their sport of expertise. They comment, not analyze or handicap. Often they are the worst source of information regarding a sports matchup. I think it was the late Bob McCune (long time handicapper and one of the first to produce any good handicapping material. He once wrote, listening to sports commentators or broadcasters as they breakdown a sports matchup appears to be one of the daggers to the avid handicapper. Usually they are only privy to info they are given my a network, and thus can lead a handicapper that's on the fence for a game over to the wrong side. He wrote that before others were on the bandwagon!

Most top athletes are not cowards, especially anyone who steps in to the ring. Mayweather has been considered the #1 lbs4lbs fighter (or somewhere in 99% peoples top ten) for many years almost nearing a decade. I don't think a coward would be that able to accomplish that!

If you are not considering Mayweather not fighting Manny a reason to call him a coward, what is your basis on the man's basis for being a coward?

Your Location says Texas...hmmm. OK. I asked a question and you answered it, but added a bunch of BS to accomplish.... oh, nothing as usual. If Martinez loses, back on your knees for the Chavez family with the groupies, and not for prayer! You played hoops in USA?

A Serious Question for a man posting big statements:
If Mexico is so great (so many Viva Mexico chants from people), why does the USA have a major immigration problems mainly from Mexico? If it is so great, why do they risk their lives and sneak over the border?
If what you say is true, then 2+2 no longer equals 4.
This is not a question to downgrade people, but a question to a supporter and believer in Mexico.
I'm not a racial person. I have close friends from every continent and very diverse backgrounds and beliefs, so my intent is far from being a joke or an insult.

3 Months later you reply. Are you in a time warp...lol! BTW- Your quote about JCC Jr saying he doesn't want to be the son of JCC, I want to be the new Julio Cesar Chavez. He copied Mayweather who said that over a year ago regarding that he is not Floyd Mayweather Jr... he is Floyd Mayweather... period.
Also, you consistency to wait 3 months to reply to posts or conversations we had is a fact that you have serious problems. Either you stalk and wait 1 minute, or months later.
Also, you said JCC Jr could break all his fathers records... LOL. His father beat up tomato cans half his life so he more or less manufactured a large winning record. As for his son, he takes on who ever is best regardless.

I'm curious you being such a Mexican fan and also it appears you have more love and respect for Mexico than the States.
My question is... why don't you live there?

Do you post Icons to increase your number of posts? You seem to even reply to your own threads up to 10 times in a row? The $20 to $20k HONDA BOY. Born after Taylor beat Chavez but he was live at the fight.
You worship an alcoholic over-achiever. He got beat by Sweat Pea, Randall, and Oscar Demolished a face that was in need of reconstructive surgery. Oscar never beat a premiere champion in his career mainly as his weight class should have stayed lower but money was at welter and middle that time. He made each bout close, except he got the Strum decision as a $100 million PPV event was riding on the win. Fighting B-Hop was all hype as he had no chance.
With all the trouble with Mosley, Tito, Strum, Manny, Floyd.. HOW DID HE DESTROY CHAVEZ WITH SUCH EASE? I actually felt bad as he won the Randall rematch, he avenged the Taylor loss, 7 straight wins after his first technical record loss, and at 33 he was looking sharp stopping 5 out of his last 7 bouts.

You think Chavez got paid to lose? I guess after all the talk of Oscar being soft as he wasn't a true Mexican fighter and Chavez was the symbol of what Mexican fighters were all about. Apparently the joke was on us, because the real Mexican warrior not only spanked an over-rated Hero, but he did it again for fun.

These are not opinions... I can send you YOUTUBE links like you do, but it's an embarrassment to Modern Mexican Warriors Like Marquez, Morales, Barrera, Lopez...

I guess all the years beating tomato cans to pump his stats, then beating average champion fighters, it was a matter of time when the music stopped playing and it was Milli Vanilli all over again... cause YES YOU KNOW ITS TRUE!

They all got shutdown last April... and FullTilt screwed its own players. I use to play PlanetPoker in late 90s, Paradise, Party, UB, PokerStars, many euro sites... now getting a 3rd party cash company for transfers is not legal in US. They are starting to legalize. The $50 story was a kid starting on PokerStars.

You like quotes... meaning you have no thoughts of your own.
fab14: (to DeFago) you need to get help someone who talks about the same shit over & over needs to get there head checked

nc1capper: record books say floyd won- deal with it

Ktrain:  Scorecards determine the winner since castillio couldn't Knock him out, de joto

jasonperry91: So what's your point? bonds is not the home run king? bro I feel your mex/ Latin pride, but don't let your pride blind you!

mohjo: Dehoyos is obviously not smart either

These are all from one thread...LOL. There are people who like, dis-like, or don't care... you seem to have a following of dislikes. Nice try KID. He is right about Pride... that's all you have and BS stories of a fight you went to before you were born! What a joke! You should think before you lie as dummies confuse themselves. I know 20k is a life savings to you, but I won just under 100k on Holyfield over Tyson in my early 20's. At 30 I was playing poker in games that the average pot was 60k. So your point about 20k is all about relevance. If it helped support you for years...great. In my 20's these amount made a huge different... by 30 I had enough investments they were just tools for further investments and not life changing events.
As for your $20 to 20k... My friend placed top 5 in the main even WSOP for 3mil... he started with $50 online. What I didn't mention was he started with $50 almost 10 years prior to that score as he was playing the biggest games in the world in Macau once he turned 21! So your 20k story might impress you and your MEX/LAT pride, but I've seen it. Never for me, as I grinded my way up day-to-day, month-to-month, year to year! No big time lotto for me!

Do you deny that they changed the outcome after the fight?

My post...
For many years the leading record books, including both Pugilato and The Ring Record Book, recorded the first loss of Julio Cesar Chavez as being by disqualification. This has since been changed to a knockout victory for Chavez, based on

confirmation from the local boxing commission in Culiacan. The very interesting part is this... Ramon Felix, manager of Chavez, happened to be a member of the Culiacan commission at the time.

True or False?
I did not say JCC was beat before FR won.
You agreed Sweat Pea beat JCC but it was a draw. Therefore I could have said Chavez was 87-1 instead of 87-0-1. Although technically wrong, you would have no gripe as you stated Pernell won in your eyes. So stop the lolly-gagn and find a real Hero... not a has been Father-Son Alcoholic team. Chavez has been finished nearing two decades.

His son is currently active. So we can read all the history, but let's keep it to Jr as he is the talk now because HE FIGHTS!!!!

The thread "MAYWEATHER IS NOT UNDEFEATED BY THE WAY!!!!!!" has been going on for almost a year. First it has a false claim on its title. Secondly, it's continuation doesn't even follow the relevance of the title. This thread should be frozen or removed.
Also, the person who started the thread is the only person who keeps it going with icons, sometimes bashing and threats, etc. Everything that keeps this forum from flourishing. This is the type of nonsense that caused so many good handicappers to leave.
For the moderators, at some point it becomes clear when a member has no positive intentions and lacks any valid information besides a thread title that misleads claiming Mayweather is not undefeated.
Making a thread that implies they feel he lost is much different. There remains many others, but when you get a member who posts icons so his threads continue is a good sign of a downhill slide.
There are still a few very good cappers but even they can only take so much.
Thanks for your support!

6 weeks later you keep a thread going that is dead and should be taken off as first off it is technically wrong, and all you do is add to it to keep it going as it remain your greatest accomplishment to date.

Why do you quote sentences taken out of context and follow up with Icons?
More than 2 weeks goes by and now you decide to continue a thread in which was basically nothing more to add. Maybe you just need attention, but unfortunately, this moment I don't have time to read and respond NONSENSE that no one cares to read.
One thing maybe was established, people made quotes I was instigating these threads of bad mouthing... but it may seem clear now that weeks after we are finished on a thread, you need to keep it going with Icons and repetitive info and bashing.
GL with you life online!

More than 2 weeks goes by and now you decide to continue a thread in which was basically nothing more to add. Maybe you just need attention, but unfortunately, this moment I don't have time to read and respond NONSENSE that no one cares to read.
One thing maybe was established, people made quotes I was instigating these threads of bad mouthing... but it may seem clear now that weeks after we are finished on a thread, you need to keep it going with Icons and repetitive info and bashing.
GL with you life online!