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    Professional Gamblers are average handicappers, but

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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2013 - 7:04 PM ET #1

    I did find this interesting and some what true. 

    If you and a professional bettor both bet the same team and you push your bet, chances are the professional bettor will have won theirs just by shopping for a better number and lower juice.

    Simply put, most professional bettors are average handicappers, but active shoppers, which makes a huge difference in a bettor's bottom line. 

    Note: I guess my wife would be a great Professional, she shops all the time.

    On top of that, the professional bettor will practice solid money management techniques, which also adds to the bottom line, while the recreational bettor is more apt to make money management blunders, which will cost them money over the long haul.

    I am really talking about professional gamblers and not most the hacks selling picks. "Those who can, do; those who can't teach".


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    I did find this interesting and some what true. 

    If you and a professional bettor both bet the same team and you push your bet, chances are the professional bettor will have won theirs just by shopping for a better number and lower juice.

    Simply put, most professional bettors are average handicappers, but active shoppers, which makes a huge difference in a bettor's bottom line. 

    Note: I guess my wife would be a great Professional, she shops all the time.

    On top of that, the professional bettor will practice solid money management techniques, which also adds to the bottom line, while the recreational bettor is more apt to make money management blunders, which will cost them money over the long haul.

    I am really talking about professional gamblers and not most the hacks selling picks. "Those who can, do; those who can't teach".


     
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    Posted: Feb. 27, 2013 - 7:51 PM ET #2

    I don't see why one can't be both. I am a profitable sport better, but mostly because I developed programs to handicap sports to give myself an advantage. 

    I do also line shop actively. But I disagree that professional bettors are average handicappers, or that if I decide to go tout that I am one of those who 'can't'.
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    I don't see why one can't be both. I am a profitable sport better, but mostly because I developed programs to handicap sports to give myself an advantage. 

    I do also line shop actively. But I disagree that professional bettors are average handicappers, or that if I decide to go tout that I am one of those who 'can't'.
     
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    Professional Gamblers don't play that many games. They wait for they right play and go big on it, instead of putting little on large volume of bets. I used to wager on 10-15 games a week last year and had a losing year. This year I bet around $500 a game and make about 2-4 picks a week. With basketball, tennis, mlb, and football, finding 2-4 games is nothing. You can easily make $1000 a week. Gambling isn't that hard if you have discipline.
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    Professional Gamblers don't play that many games. They wait for they right play and go big on it, instead of putting little on large volume of bets. I used to wager on 10-15 games a week last year and had a losing year. This year I bet around $500 a game and make about 2-4 picks a week. With basketball, tennis, mlb, and football, finding 2-4 games is nothing. You can easily make $1000 a week. Gambling isn't that hard if you have discipline.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pazim:

    Professional Gamblers don't play that many games. They wait for they right play and go big on it, instead of putting little on large volume of bets. I used to wager on 10-15 games a week last year and had a losing year. This year I bet around $500 a game and make about 2-4 picks a week. With basketball, tennis, mlb, and football, finding 2-4 games is nothing. You can easily make $1000 a week. Gambling isn't that hard if you have discipline.

    Dont think only 2-4 pick is enough to mae it really profitable long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pazim:

    Professional Gamblers don't play that many games. They wait for they right play and go big on it, instead of putting little on large volume of bets. I used to wager on 10-15 games a week last year and had a losing year. This year I bet around $500 a game and make about 2-4 picks a week. With basketball, tennis, mlb, and football, finding 2-4 games is nothing. You can easily make $1000 a week. Gambling isn't that hard if you have discipline.

    Dont think only 2-4 pick is enough to mae it really profitable long run.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2013 - 4:19 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by pazim:

    Professional Gamblers don't play that many games. They wait for they right play and go big on it, instead of putting little on large volume of bets. I used to wager on 10-15 games a week last year and had a losing year. This year I bet around $500 a game and make about 2-4 picks a week. With basketball, tennis, mlb, and football, finding 2-4 games is nothing. You can easily make $1000 a week. Gambling isn't that hard if you have discipline.

    At ~4 picks a week while betting $500 per bet you'd be going 3-1 every week to make $1000 per week. ~$1,000 a week for one year is ~$52,000 and at ~4 picks a week over a year that's ~208 picks and your record would have to be ~156-52. An incredible record, to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pazim:

    Professional Gamblers don't play that many games. They wait for they right play and go big on it, instead of putting little on large volume of bets. I used to wager on 10-15 games a week last year and had a losing year. This year I bet around $500 a game and make about 2-4 picks a week. With basketball, tennis, mlb, and football, finding 2-4 games is nothing. You can easily make $1000 a week. Gambling isn't that hard if you have discipline.

    At ~4 picks a week while betting $500 per bet you'd be going 3-1 every week to make $1000 per week. ~$1,000 a week for one year is ~$52,000 and at ~4 picks a week over a year that's ~208 picks and your record would have to be ~156-52. An incredible record, to say the least.
     
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    If you and a professional bettor both bet the same team and you push your bet, chances are the professional bettor will have won theirs just by shopping for a better number and lower juice.


    I'm finding it very difficult to understand how this is possible.

    Example:

    A pro bettor and I both bet the K.C./San Diego NFL total to go over 41.  The pro gets a price of -103 for the total and I get a price of -110.  The hypothetical score at the end of the game is 21-20.  

    How can I push, but the professional somehow wins just by shopping for and getting a better price?


    On a side note, I'm all for shopping to get the best price - it's an aspect that's greatly overlooked and very valuable.

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    If you and a professional bettor both bet the same team and you push your bet, chances are the professional bettor will have won theirs just by shopping for a better number and lower juice.


    I'm finding it very difficult to understand how this is possible.

    Example:

    A pro bettor and I both bet the K.C./San Diego NFL total to go over 41.  The pro gets a price of -103 for the total and I get a price of -110.  The hypothetical score at the end of the game is 21-20.  

    How can I push, but the professional somehow wins just by shopping for and getting a better price?


    On a side note, I'm all for shopping to get the best price - it's an aspect that's greatly overlooked and very valuable.

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 26, 2013 - 8:01 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by atlheatholder:

    If you and a professional bettor both bet the same team and you push your bet, chances are the professional bettor will have won theirs just by shopping for a better number and lower juice.


    I'm finding it very difficult to understand how this is possible.

    Example:

    A pro bettor and I both bet the K.C./San Diego NFL total to go over 41.  The pro gets a price of -103 for the total and I get a price of -110.  The hypothetical score at the end of the game is 21-20.  

    How can I push, but the professional somehow wins just by shopping for and getting a better price?


    On a side note, I'm all for shopping to get the best price - it's an aspect that's greatly overlooked and very valuable.


    I'm sure he means the pro would have shopped around and got 40.5 while you pushed on 41. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by atlheatholder:

    If you and a professional bettor both bet the same team and you push your bet, chances are the professional bettor will have won theirs just by shopping for a better number and lower juice.


    I'm finding it very difficult to understand how this is possible.

    Example:

    A pro bettor and I both bet the K.C./San Diego NFL total to go over 41.  The pro gets a price of -103 for the total and I get a price of -110.  The hypothetical score at the end of the game is 21-20.  

    How can I push, but the professional somehow wins just by shopping for and getting a better price?


    On a side note, I'm all for shopping to get the best price - it's an aspect that's greatly overlooked and very valuable.


    I'm sure he means the pro would have shopped around and got 40.5 while you pushed on 41. 
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