CoCo matches are a joke. I know alot of matches "have outside forces at work" if you understand but this is getting out of hand with her matches.
Make her a better player. Imagine players making 40 + errors for you match after match on 5th grade level feeder balls for you. My god that must suck for CoCo as well. Knowing this is where your at as a player and being force fed to the public as a good player to those that know nothing about Tennis. I feel bad for her. Your not doing her any favors. Let her deal with sucking and make her earn her way out of this. It will be better in the long run.
Carlos / Shapo set betting. Carlos 2-1 tonight + 300.
Anyways good luck tennis match makers, fix this nonsense with her
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CoCo matches are a joke. I know alot of matches "have outside forces at work" if you understand but this is getting out of hand with her matches.
Make her a better player. Imagine players making 40 + errors for you match after match on 5th grade level feeder balls for you. My god that must suck for CoCo as well. Knowing this is where your at as a player and being force fed to the public as a good player to those that know nothing about Tennis. I feel bad for her. Your not doing her any favors. Let her deal with sucking and make her earn her way out of this. It will be better in the long run.
Carlos / Shapo set betting. Carlos 2-1 tonight + 300.
Anyways good luck tennis match makers, fix this nonsense with her
I didn't watch the match today but she was playing Sakkari. I did watch the first match and Coco was awful. But these days Sakkari will spray errors like you mentioned against any opponent, without prejudice.
Yes Gauff can be erratic as hell and she came here riding a 3 match losing streak but she can also put it together sometimes and be really good.
Most important question: Do you think Riyadh was rigged?
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I didn't watch the match today but she was playing Sakkari. I did watch the first match and Coco was awful. But these days Sakkari will spray errors like you mentioned against any opponent, without prejudice.
Yes Gauff can be erratic as hell and she came here riding a 3 match losing streak but she can also put it together sometimes and be really good.
Most important question: Do you think Riyadh was rigged?
CoCo matches are a joke. I know alot of matches "have outside forces at work" if you understand but this is getting out of hand with her matches. Make her a better player. Imagine players making 40 + errors for you match after match on 5th grade level feeder balls for you. My god that must suck for CoCo as well. Knowing this is where your at as a player and being force fed to the public as a good player to those that know nothing about Tennis. I feel bad for her. Your not doing her any favors. Let her deal with sucking and make her earn her way out of this. It will be better in the long run. Carlos / Shapo set betting. Carlos 2-1 tonight + 300. Anyways good luck tennis match makers, fix this nonsense with her
Been saying this for a year now. Most overrated top 5 player I ever seen. No idea how she got there but damn. She deserves be out of Top 10 soon, Yeah she beat Sakkari, but lets see what happens when she plays a battle-tested contender, again
To be THE MAN, you got to BEAT the man
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Quote Originally Posted by lone-wolf-24:
CoCo matches are a joke. I know alot of matches "have outside forces at work" if you understand but this is getting out of hand with her matches. Make her a better player. Imagine players making 40 + errors for you match after match on 5th grade level feeder balls for you. My god that must suck for CoCo as well. Knowing this is where your at as a player and being force fed to the public as a good player to those that know nothing about Tennis. I feel bad for her. Your not doing her any favors. Let her deal with sucking and make her earn her way out of this. It will be better in the long run. Carlos / Shapo set betting. Carlos 2-1 tonight + 300. Anyways good luck tennis match makers, fix this nonsense with her
Been saying this for a year now. Most overrated top 5 player I ever seen. No idea how she got there but damn. She deserves be out of Top 10 soon, Yeah she beat Sakkari, but lets see what happens when she plays a battle-tested contender, again
Coco won't be out of the top 10 for a long long time......she is a fantastic athlete.....the fastest player on tour....and is still very young.....she is also a very hard worker....which will help her overcome some of her issues over time
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Coco won't be out of the top 10 for a long long time......she is a fantastic athlete.....the fastest player on tour....and is still very young.....she is also a very hard worker....which will help her overcome some of her issues over time
Coco won't be out of the top 10 for a long long time......she is a fantastic athlete.....the fastest player on tour....and is still very young.....she is also a very hard worker....which will help her overcome some of her issues over time
Gauff’s biggest huddles are mentally - which age and experience often help with - but no matter how fast she is - it doesn’t change that fact - maybe she will first get a handle on it when she is too old to be running fast - the problem is that the market treats her like she is in top 5 of the best in the world and this is tennis - it is not 1000 m sprints - she is easily in top 3 of the most overrated players on tour by the bookmakers
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Quote Originally Posted by vinnyherbert:
Coco won't be out of the top 10 for a long long time......she is a fantastic athlete.....the fastest player on tour....and is still very young.....she is also a very hard worker....which will help her overcome some of her issues over time
Gauff’s biggest huddles are mentally - which age and experience often help with - but no matter how fast she is - it doesn’t change that fact - maybe she will first get a handle on it when she is too old to be running fast - the problem is that the market treats her like she is in top 5 of the best in the world and this is tennis - it is not 1000 m sprints - she is easily in top 3 of the most overrated players on tour by the bookmakers
It is true that the betting market consistently over rates her because she is heavily marketed and has a large fanbase that bets on her so the value of betting on her is always reduced. But to act like she doesn't deserve to be in the top 10 is ridiculous. A players ranking is based upon the points they have EARNED. When she stops earning enough points to maintain a top 10 ranking that will be when she DESERVES to be out of the top 10.
I have been as critical of Gauff at times as anyone but credit must be given where credit is due. When her brain is firing on all cylinders she is elite. Most of the criticisms I see about her people say something like "I thought this was supposed to be the next Serena Williams?", which is a ridiculous comparison. There was a black girl on my high school tennis team many years ago and she was pretty decent but somehow she didn't end up being the next Serena either. So weird.
Nobody has answered my questions about Riyadh either, where she was playing with all the best current players in the world and won the most money in WTA history. This was only a few months ago. Am I the only one who saw this? Were her opponents spraying errors everywhere just to let her win?
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It is true that the betting market consistently over rates her because she is heavily marketed and has a large fanbase that bets on her so the value of betting on her is always reduced. But to act like she doesn't deserve to be in the top 10 is ridiculous. A players ranking is based upon the points they have EARNED. When she stops earning enough points to maintain a top 10 ranking that will be when she DESERVES to be out of the top 10.
I have been as critical of Gauff at times as anyone but credit must be given where credit is due. When her brain is firing on all cylinders she is elite. Most of the criticisms I see about her people say something like "I thought this was supposed to be the next Serena Williams?", which is a ridiculous comparison. There was a black girl on my high school tennis team many years ago and she was pretty decent but somehow she didn't end up being the next Serena either. So weird.
Nobody has answered my questions about Riyadh either, where she was playing with all the best current players in the world and won the most money in WTA history. This was only a few months ago. Am I the only one who saw this? Were her opponents spraying errors everywhere just to let her win?
Why wouldn’t the market treat her like a top 5 player she wins 76% of her matches which is the 3rd highest amongst women
The better ranking you got the longer you go in each tournament before you meet any meaningful competition - which is good for both your ranking and your win rate - and which makes your ranking even better - so it is a viscous cycle - she shouldn’t be priced as a top 5 player because she is way to inconsistent - it is the same reason the market more often price Alcaraz wrong compared to Sinner for instance - the bigger difference there are between their top level and bottom level the harder they are to price correctly - so the market either overrate them or underrate them - with Gauff they almost always overrate her - the interesting part isn’t her win rate - it is if you would have been profitable betting against her or with her - betting all her matches - that would be interesting if I didn’t already know the answer
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Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97:
Why wouldn’t the market treat her like a top 5 player she wins 76% of her matches which is the 3rd highest amongst women
The better ranking you got the longer you go in each tournament before you meet any meaningful competition - which is good for both your ranking and your win rate - and which makes your ranking even better - so it is a viscous cycle - she shouldn’t be priced as a top 5 player because she is way to inconsistent - it is the same reason the market more often price Alcaraz wrong compared to Sinner for instance - the bigger difference there are between their top level and bottom level the harder they are to price correctly - so the market either overrate them or underrate them - with Gauff they almost always overrate her - the interesting part isn’t her win rate - it is if you would have been profitable betting against her or with her - betting all her matches - that would be interesting if I didn’t already know the answer
With that idiot leading your guys country it is probably not that distant a future where we are enemies - but right now I said it only with good intents I don’t really care if we agree or not - so not trying to start an argument here
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Quote Originally Posted by wgomel21:
The Dane vs the American this is getting good.
With that idiot leading your guys country it is probably not that distant a future where we are enemies - but right now I said it only with good intents I don’t really care if we agree or not - so not trying to start an argument here
Why is Andreeva serving up bagels when her opponent clearly prefers a cheese danish? (That's what we call them here, pretty sure the Danes have another word)
Lol just messing with you @Calde13
Also wgomel is well known to be a major Gauff fanboy so please don't offend him too bad, he's real sensitive about it
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@wgomel21
Ok fine I'll say it.....
Why is Andreeva serving up bagels when her opponent clearly prefers a cheese danish? (That's what we call them here, pretty sure the Danes have another word)
Lol just messing with you @Calde13
Also wgomel is well known to be a major Gauff fanboy so please don't offend him too bad, he's real sensitive about it
@wgomel21 Ok fine I'll say it..... Why is Andreeva serving up bagels when her opponent clearly prefers a cheese danish? (That's what we call them here, pretty sure the Danes have another word) Lol just messing with you @Calde13 Also wgomel is well known to be a major Gauff fanboy so please don't offend him too bad, he's real sensitive about it
:) hehe I bet you guys do - we have gotten a lot of free credit by you guys - the Danish (pastry) is always from Vienna (Austria) and not Denmark etc. - but we all good
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Quote Originally Posted by bringit:
@wgomel21 Ok fine I'll say it..... Why is Andreeva serving up bagels when her opponent clearly prefers a cheese danish? (That's what we call them here, pretty sure the Danes have another word) Lol just messing with you @Calde13 Also wgomel is well known to be a major Gauff fanboy so please don't offend him too bad, he's real sensitive about it
:) hehe I bet you guys do - we have gotten a lot of free credit by you guys - the Danish (pastry) is always from Vienna (Austria) and not Denmark etc. - but we all good
Ha, I had no idea. The danish is a continental breakfast staple at every cheap hotel in America and an essential part of a fast and cheap gas station breakfast.
On another note, did you watch the Siniakova Townsend match yesterday? It was awesome.
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@Calde13
Ha, I had no idea. The danish is a continental breakfast staple at every cheap hotel in America and an essential part of a fast and cheap gas station breakfast.
On another note, did you watch the Siniakova Townsend match yesterday? It was awesome.
@Calde13 Ha, I had no idea. The danish is a continental breakfast staple at every cheap hotel in America and an essential part of a fast and cheap gas station breakfast. On another note, did you watch the Siniakova Townsend match yesterday? It was awesome.
Hehe :) No :( I don’t have a channel that shows double matches -_- - cool, “awesome” because it was close or ? Now I feel awful I freaking love Siniakova :(
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Quote Originally Posted by bringit:
@Calde13 Ha, I had no idea. The danish is a continental breakfast staple at every cheap hotel in America and an essential part of a fast and cheap gas station breakfast. On another note, did you watch the Siniakova Townsend match yesterday? It was awesome.
Hehe :) No :( I don’t have a channel that shows double matches -_- - cool, “awesome” because it was close or ? Now I feel awful I freaking love Siniakova :(
Yeah atleast they are famous for it because in the 1700 century Tulips were their price standard like we have oil and gold now We have invented Lego, we were the first country to legalise pornography (so we kind of invented porn as we have it today) and amusement parks - I think those three are the only ones widely spread “inventions” we had
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Quote Originally Posted by bringit:
@Calde13 Thought that was the Dutch?
Yeah atleast they are famous for it because in the 1700 century Tulips were their price standard like we have oil and gold now We have invented Lego, we were the first country to legalise pornography (so we kind of invented porn as we have it today) and amusement parks - I think those three are the only ones widely spread “inventions” we had
So they won the first two games, then proceeded to lose 5 straight games including 3 of them on deciding point and lost the first set 3-6.
In set two they danished them...sorry I mean bageled them. Won 65% of the points and the crowd was going wild because of the home support for Taylor. More than enough to drown out the annoying Brazilian fans lol.
Then in match tiebreak at the first changeover they were down 1-5. Then they won 9 of the next 11 points to take it 10-7. There was one ball that was in the front corner of the court right at the net and Siniakova sprinted to it and somehow got to it and hit a winner and immediately had to pull an amazing juke move to avoid a massive collision with the umpires chair. Very fun match to watch.
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@Calde13
So they won the first two games, then proceeded to lose 5 straight games including 3 of them on deciding point and lost the first set 3-6.
In set two they danished them...sorry I mean bageled them. Won 65% of the points and the crowd was going wild because of the home support for Taylor. More than enough to drown out the annoying Brazilian fans lol.
Then in match tiebreak at the first changeover they were down 1-5. Then they won 9 of the next 11 points to take it 10-7. There was one ball that was in the front corner of the court right at the net and Siniakova sprinted to it and somehow got to it and hit a winner and immediately had to pull an amazing juke move to avoid a massive collision with the umpires chair. Very fun match to watch.
Yeah if nothing else just watch the match tiebreak. The Siniakova shot was when they were down 1-5 so it completely changed the trajectory of the match. She was at the net and hit a volley with her foot touching the other sideline, Siegemund immediately hits a drop volley back on the other sideline where Taylor had no chance of sprinting forward to get it, and out of nowhere Kat sprints straight across the court and hits a winner around the net to the back of the court. You have to watch it.
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@Calde13
Yeah if nothing else just watch the match tiebreak. The Siniakova shot was when they were down 1-5 so it completely changed the trajectory of the match. She was at the net and hit a volley with her foot touching the other sideline, Siegemund immediately hits a drop volley back on the other sideline where Taylor had no chance of sprinting forward to get it, and out of nowhere Kat sprints straight across the court and hits a winner around the net to the back of the court. You have to watch it.
Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: Why wouldn’t the market treat her like a top 5 player she wins 76% of her matches which is the 3rd highest amongst women The better ranking you got the longer you go in each tournament before you meet any meaningful competition - which is good for both your ranking and your win rate - and which makes your ranking even better - so it is a viscous cycle - she shouldn’t be priced as a top 5 player because she is way to inconsistent - it is the same reason the market more often price Alcaraz wrong compared to Sinner for instance - the bigger difference there are between their top level and bottom level the harder they are to price correctly - so the market either overrate them or underrate them - with Gauff they almost always overrate her - the interesting part isn’t her win rate - it is if you would have been profitable betting against her or with her - betting all her matches - that would be interesting if I didn’t already know the answer
again you say she's inconsistent even after I said she wins 76% of her matches that's only lower than the 2 players ranked above her, iga and saba. was she inconsistent when she won the united cup earlier this year winning all matches in straights and beating iga in the finals? or when she won the master's cup last fall or beijing or is she inconsistent because she doesn't win every single match she plays. I think you simply lost money on her and you're sour, I get it, I get that way to about some of these chicks. your other analysis makes no sense either. of course the higher ranked players have easier draws that's in every sport, what you're leaving out is that it wasn't handed to her, she had to play her way to get in position to have that luxury.
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Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:
Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: Why wouldn’t the market treat her like a top 5 player she wins 76% of her matches which is the 3rd highest amongst women The better ranking you got the longer you go in each tournament before you meet any meaningful competition - which is good for both your ranking and your win rate - and which makes your ranking even better - so it is a viscous cycle - she shouldn’t be priced as a top 5 player because she is way to inconsistent - it is the same reason the market more often price Alcaraz wrong compared to Sinner for instance - the bigger difference there are between their top level and bottom level the harder they are to price correctly - so the market either overrate them or underrate them - with Gauff they almost always overrate her - the interesting part isn’t her win rate - it is if you would have been profitable betting against her or with her - betting all her matches - that would be interesting if I didn’t already know the answer
again you say she's inconsistent even after I said she wins 76% of her matches that's only lower than the 2 players ranked above her, iga and saba. was she inconsistent when she won the united cup earlier this year winning all matches in straights and beating iga in the finals? or when she won the master's cup last fall or beijing or is she inconsistent because she doesn't win every single match she plays. I think you simply lost money on her and you're sour, I get it, I get that way to about some of these chicks. your other analysis makes no sense either. of course the higher ranked players have easier draws that's in every sport, what you're leaving out is that it wasn't handed to her, she had to play her way to get in position to have that luxury.
Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: Why wouldn’t the market treat her like a top 5 player she wins 76% of her matches which is the 3rd highest amongst women The better ranking you got the longer you go in each tournament before you meet any meaningful competition - which is good for both your ranking and your win rate - and which makes your ranking even better - so it is a viscous cycle - she shouldn’t be priced as a top 5 player because she is way to inconsistent - it is the same reason the market more often price Alcaraz wrong compared to Sinner for instance - the bigger difference there are between their top level and bottom level the harder they are to price correctly - so the market either overrate them or underrate them - with Gauff they almost always overrate her - the interesting part isn’t her win rate - it is if you would have been profitable betting against her or with her - betting all her matches - that would be interesting if I didn’t already know the answer again you say she's inconsistent even after I said she wins 76% of her matches that's only lower than the 2 players ranked above her, iga and saba. was she inconsistent when she won the united cup earlier this year winning all matches in straights and beating iga in the finals? or when she won the master's cup last fall or beijing or is she inconsistent because she doesn't win every single match she plays. I think you simply lost money on her and you're sour, I get it, I get that way to about some of these chicks. your other analysis makes no sense either. of course the higher ranked players have easier draws that's in every sport, what you're leaving out is that it wasn't handed to her, she had to play her way to get in position to have that luxury.
Mate we will never agree on this and that is fine Don't waste more time on this since I hardly read your answers anyway - because I really don’t care if we agree or not - and we can easily pretend you are right if that gives you peace of mind
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Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97:
Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: Why wouldn’t the market treat her like a top 5 player she wins 76% of her matches which is the 3rd highest amongst women The better ranking you got the longer you go in each tournament before you meet any meaningful competition - which is good for both your ranking and your win rate - and which makes your ranking even better - so it is a viscous cycle - she shouldn’t be priced as a top 5 player because she is way to inconsistent - it is the same reason the market more often price Alcaraz wrong compared to Sinner for instance - the bigger difference there are between their top level and bottom level the harder they are to price correctly - so the market either overrate them or underrate them - with Gauff they almost always overrate her - the interesting part isn’t her win rate - it is if you would have been profitable betting against her or with her - betting all her matches - that would be interesting if I didn’t already know the answer again you say she's inconsistent even after I said she wins 76% of her matches that's only lower than the 2 players ranked above her, iga and saba. was she inconsistent when she won the united cup earlier this year winning all matches in straights and beating iga in the finals? or when she won the master's cup last fall or beijing or is she inconsistent because she doesn't win every single match she plays. I think you simply lost money on her and you're sour, I get it, I get that way to about some of these chicks. your other analysis makes no sense either. of course the higher ranked players have easier draws that's in every sport, what you're leaving out is that it wasn't handed to her, she had to play her way to get in position to have that luxury.
Mate we will never agree on this and that is fine Don't waste more time on this since I hardly read your answers anyway - because I really don’t care if we agree or not - and we can easily pretend you are right if that gives you peace of mind
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