i believe that the ITF is trying to keep the atp tour "clean" by hiding some stories... probably a lot actualy.
but what's the point here of putting nadal out for drug, without anyone knowing about it, so he can come back even stronger and juicing even more ?
his knee injury was no fake to me, and i believe that guy is taking horses pain killer (and more) to keep his body going !
Does making it public actually clean the sport? The message needs to be sent to the players, not to the viewers. Tennis has an image of being clean and by putting it out in the open, will ruin the sports image as well as a major public figure for the sport. No one would care about Nadal as an individual but if he goes, so do the viewers who like the clean sport. Public shamming doesn't have as bad an impact on the individuals as people might think, and it has major effects on the sport.
By keeping it on the DL, the message can still be sent to the players, "We caught Nadal, we took him out. He's co-operating so here's what's gonna happen."
The players still get the message and the sport looks clean to the public.
Quote Originally Posted by joebueno:
hum, dont think so...
i believe that the ITF is trying to keep the atp tour "clean" by hiding some stories... probably a lot actualy.
but what's the point here of putting nadal out for drug, without anyone knowing about it, so he can come back even stronger and juicing even more ?
his knee injury was no fake to me, and i believe that guy is taking horses pain killer (and more) to keep his body going !
Does making it public actually clean the sport? The message needs to be sent to the players, not to the viewers. Tennis has an image of being clean and by putting it out in the open, will ruin the sports image as well as a major public figure for the sport. No one would care about Nadal as an individual but if he goes, so do the viewers who like the clean sport. Public shamming doesn't have as bad an impact on the individuals as people might think, and it has major effects on the sport.
By keeping it on the DL, the message can still be sent to the players, "We caught Nadal, we took him out. He's co-operating so here's what's gonna happen."
The players still get the message and the sport looks clean to the public.
No one else seems to think this is viable? Can't blame ya. Well... I guess I'll just list the other signs to me. No one of these is a crime but it is the amalgamation of them all that make me wonder at least:
He's a Spaniard - No secret that Spain safe houses their athletes and do not condone their juicers. It's where international athletes train and drug up because the doctors will help conceal the usage.
His Come Back - It took Del Potro a year and a half to recover from
his injury. When he did come back, it took him till this year to find
his form again. Nadal recovered in 6 months, holds the best record on tour and hoists 8 trophies and 2 finalists.
Recurring Knee Injury - This is a symptom/side effect of using.
These are a few things that just made me think. When you have one point, it's just a dot. But when you add up a bunch of points and connect the dots... the picture unfolds!
Hahaha... I should write for t.v. with lines like that!
No one else seems to think this is viable? Can't blame ya. Well... I guess I'll just list the other signs to me. No one of these is a crime but it is the amalgamation of them all that make me wonder at least:
He's a Spaniard - No secret that Spain safe houses their athletes and do not condone their juicers. It's where international athletes train and drug up because the doctors will help conceal the usage.
His Come Back - It took Del Potro a year and a half to recover from
his injury. When he did come back, it took him till this year to find
his form again. Nadal recovered in 6 months, holds the best record on tour and hoists 8 trophies and 2 finalists.
Recurring Knee Injury - This is a symptom/side effect of using.
These are a few things that just made me think. When you have one point, it's just a dot. But when you add up a bunch of points and connect the dots... the picture unfolds!
Hahaha... I should write for t.v. with lines like that!
I think this is very viable. After all, when Nadal missed significant time with his "knee injury" years ago, it was highly reported behind the scenes that it was actually because of steroids.
I think this is very viable. After all, when Nadal missed significant time with his "knee injury" years ago, it was highly reported behind the scenes that it was actually because of steroids.
Also, with the whole Rafa and steroid issue......remember when Rafa used to wear cutoff shirts EVERY match????? Well, that seems to be illegal now ever since his mysterious "knee injury" years ago. Also, Rafa self proclaims that he "hates the gym" and "never lifts weights". Dunno how u get built like him without steroids without ever lifting weights. These are all just thoughts. I love Rafa as a player and person but I think uncle Tony had something to do with all this. There used to be a really good article on the whole "mysterious knee injury" from years ago. You still might be able to google it. It was all speculating with pretty real facts that it was indeed an actual steroid suspension on the DL
Also, with the whole Rafa and steroid issue......remember when Rafa used to wear cutoff shirts EVERY match????? Well, that seems to be illegal now ever since his mysterious "knee injury" years ago. Also, Rafa self proclaims that he "hates the gym" and "never lifts weights". Dunno how u get built like him without steroids without ever lifting weights. These are all just thoughts. I love Rafa as a player and person but I think uncle Tony had something to do with all this. There used to be a really good article on the whole "mysterious knee injury" from years ago. You still might be able to google it. It was all speculating with pretty real facts that it was indeed an actual steroid suspension on the DL
Its an obvious possibility that Nadal can be doping. Its seems any amazing athlete these days are all doping. Even the no name losers are doping as well. LOL. I wouldnt be shocked if Federer or Djokovic was doping too. Even in other sports I wouldnt be shocked if Tiger Woods was doping either. Its just the day the sport world has turned these days with the advancemnt in technology these days.
Now coming from a guy that used to cycles of Steroids and HGH to name just a few. You cannot gain and be cut like Nadal unless u workout hard. Infact its useless. Doping or not or even if he hates the gym or not you cant get Nadals body and the guns without going to the gym.
The last question is. Is it really cheating if everyone is doing it? Hahaha. Its funny when u hear on the news sometimes when u hear no name players getting suspended for doping. Its like they cheat and still suck.
Its an obvious possibility that Nadal can be doping. Its seems any amazing athlete these days are all doping. Even the no name losers are doping as well. LOL. I wouldnt be shocked if Federer or Djokovic was doping too. Even in other sports I wouldnt be shocked if Tiger Woods was doping either. Its just the day the sport world has turned these days with the advancemnt in technology these days.
Now coming from a guy that used to cycles of Steroids and HGH to name just a few. You cannot gain and be cut like Nadal unless u workout hard. Infact its useless. Doping or not or even if he hates the gym or not you cant get Nadals body and the guns without going to the gym.
The last question is. Is it really cheating if everyone is doing it? Hahaha. Its funny when u hear on the news sometimes when u hear no name players getting suspended for doping. Its like they cheat and still suck.
Hahahah Ted! And you're correct in the fact u still need to workout hard to get muscles like him but considering the face he hates the gym and has said he never lifts weights, all he needs is to lift a little amount and the rounds can do the rest. You can tell when he takes his shirt off that he doesn't really have a lot of muscle definition in his chest and back. And training and the amount of cardio he does us why he's so cut
Hahahah Ted! And you're correct in the fact u still need to workout hard to get muscles like him but considering the face he hates the gym and has said he never lifts weights, all he needs is to lift a little amount and the rounds can do the rest. You can tell when he takes his shirt off that he doesn't really have a lot of muscle definition in his chest and back. And training and the amount of cardio he does us why he's so cut
The last question is. Is it really cheating if everyone is doing it? Hahaha. Its funny when u hear on the news sometimes when u hear no name players getting suspended for doping. Its like they cheat and still suck.
I have no idea why they don't create a juiced division or league. Everyone wants to see the maximum human potential, why not make it public and accept it into the league. It is cheating because it's against the rules bottom line.
My final input is, why does it matter? For me, I feel more comfortable betting on a guy who's been suspended for 6 months for doping and betting on him rather than betting on a guy who's been out on an injury and coming back prematurely. This was why I took Nadal at the US open as early as possible. The perception has been his legs no good, but my gut says he's totally fine. Look at his record! He's having a carrier year in what should be a recovering year.
Quote Originally Posted by TedHJLee:
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The last question is. Is it really cheating if everyone is doing it? Hahaha. Its funny when u hear on the news sometimes when u hear no name players getting suspended for doping. Its like they cheat and still suck.
I have no idea why they don't create a juiced division or league. Everyone wants to see the maximum human potential, why not make it public and accept it into the league. It is cheating because it's against the rules bottom line.
My final input is, why does it matter? For me, I feel more comfortable betting on a guy who's been suspended for 6 months for doping and betting on him rather than betting on a guy who's been out on an injury and coming back prematurely. This was why I took Nadal at the US open as early as possible. The perception has been his legs no good, but my gut says he's totally fine. Look at his record! He's having a carrier year in what should be a recovering year.
Its an obvious possibility that Nadal can be doping. Its seems any amazing athlete these days are all doping. Even the no name losers are doping as well. LOL. I wouldnt be shocked if Federer or Djokovic was doping too. Even in other sports I wouldnt be shocked if Tiger Woods was doping either. Its just the day the sport world has turned these days with the advancemnt in technology these days.
Now coming from a guy that used to cycles of Steroids and HGH to name just a few. You cannot gain and be cut like Nadal unless u workout hard. Infact its useless. Doping or not or even if he hates the gym or not you cant get Nadals body and the guns without going to the gym.
The last question is. Is it really cheating if everyone is doing it? Hahaha. Its funny when u hear on the news sometimes when u hear no name players getting suspended for doping. Its like they cheat and still suck.
I dont.... want to live on this planet anymore. Are u friggin kidding me dude? 1st of all, Rafael Nadal has not got and amazing body, im not taking anything away from him AT ALL, but he doesnt even care about his body. His body is shaped to play Tennis, not to lift or participate in a bodybuilding competition or anything in that matter. Tennis and having an amazing body is two different sides of the coin. Yeah he may have a great body if u compare to other Tennis players, but compared to people training for muscle mass his body is really bad. At the age of 16 i had more muscle mass than Rafa has got now. And when i started juicing it at the age of 21 it has really not been a contest.
Heres an example of a comparison after 4 years of training, and trust me, i believe Rafael Nadal worked much harder and cared much more since he had to be #1 in his field - my goals have never been to become #1 anywhere:
I dont need any comments like: "I think nadal looks better!!!" because thats not my point. we are talking about muscle mass and comparing that to the use of roids, my point is nadals body is easy obtainable without roids after a few years of training, and with juicing it its not really a contest.
Quote Originally Posted by TedHJLee:
Its an obvious possibility that Nadal can be doping. Its seems any amazing athlete these days are all doping. Even the no name losers are doping as well. LOL. I wouldnt be shocked if Federer or Djokovic was doping too. Even in other sports I wouldnt be shocked if Tiger Woods was doping either. Its just the day the sport world has turned these days with the advancemnt in technology these days.
Now coming from a guy that used to cycles of Steroids and HGH to name just a few. You cannot gain and be cut like Nadal unless u workout hard. Infact its useless. Doping or not or even if he hates the gym or not you cant get Nadals body and the guns without going to the gym.
The last question is. Is it really cheating if everyone is doing it? Hahaha. Its funny when u hear on the news sometimes when u hear no name players getting suspended for doping. Its like they cheat and still suck.
I dont.... want to live on this planet anymore. Are u friggin kidding me dude? 1st of all, Rafael Nadal has not got and amazing body, im not taking anything away from him AT ALL, but he doesnt even care about his body. His body is shaped to play Tennis, not to lift or participate in a bodybuilding competition or anything in that matter. Tennis and having an amazing body is two different sides of the coin. Yeah he may have a great body if u compare to other Tennis players, but compared to people training for muscle mass his body is really bad. At the age of 16 i had more muscle mass than Rafa has got now. And when i started juicing it at the age of 21 it has really not been a contest.
Heres an example of a comparison after 4 years of training, and trust me, i believe Rafael Nadal worked much harder and cared much more since he had to be #1 in his field - my goals have never been to become #1 anywhere:
I dont need any comments like: "I think nadal looks better!!!" because thats not my point. we are talking about muscle mass and comparing that to the use of roids, my point is nadals body is easy obtainable without roids after a few years of training, and with juicing it its not really a contest.
I dont.... want to live on this planet anymore. Are u friggin kidding me dude? 1st of all, Rafael Nadal has not got and amazing body, im not taking anything away from him AT ALL, but he doesnt even care about his body. His body is shaped to play Tennis, not to lift or participate in a bodybuilding competition or anything in that matter. Tennis and having an amazing body is two different sides of the coin. Yeah he may have a great body if u compare to other Tennis players, but compared to people training for muscle mass his body is really bad. At the age of 16 i had more muscle mass than Rafa has got now. And when i started juicing it at the age of 21 it has really not been a contest.
Heres an example of a comparison after 4 years of training, and trust me, i believe Rafael Nadal worked much harder and cared much more since he had to be #1 in his field - my goals have never been to become #1 anywhere:
I dont need any comments like: "I think nadal looks better!!!" because thats not my point. we are talking about muscle mass and comparing that to the use of roids, my point is nadals body is easy obtainable without roids after a few years of training, and with juicing it its not really a contest.
But Nadal isn't going for Home Runs of the year. I don't think He's on HGH but I do find it interesting he's not only the fastest guy on the court, he's also the biggest guy (mass wise, compared to tennis players) and quickest to recover guy on the court, (the main reason cyclists use drugs is to recover.) He's not amazing in a body builder fashion, but he's big in the world of tennis champions!!! Borg, McEnroe, Conners, Sampras, Lendl, Emerson, Fed... HELL!... Stich, Rafter, Forget and.... everyone!
Like I said... no one thing is a crime. It's not a crime to be the strongest, most buff tennis player. But to be it, along with the fastest, against what some people would argue the greatest and all the other things listed.... hmmmmmm....
Quote Originally Posted by Asomugha:
I dont.... want to live on this planet anymore. Are u friggin kidding me dude? 1st of all, Rafael Nadal has not got and amazing body, im not taking anything away from him AT ALL, but he doesnt even care about his body. His body is shaped to play Tennis, not to lift or participate in a bodybuilding competition or anything in that matter. Tennis and having an amazing body is two different sides of the coin. Yeah he may have a great body if u compare to other Tennis players, but compared to people training for muscle mass his body is really bad. At the age of 16 i had more muscle mass than Rafa has got now. And when i started juicing it at the age of 21 it has really not been a contest.
Heres an example of a comparison after 4 years of training, and trust me, i believe Rafael Nadal worked much harder and cared much more since he had to be #1 in his field - my goals have never been to become #1 anywhere:
I dont need any comments like: "I think nadal looks better!!!" because thats not my point. we are talking about muscle mass and comparing that to the use of roids, my point is nadals body is easy obtainable without roids after a few years of training, and with juicing it its not really a contest.
But Nadal isn't going for Home Runs of the year. I don't think He's on HGH but I do find it interesting he's not only the fastest guy on the court, he's also the biggest guy (mass wise, compared to tennis players) and quickest to recover guy on the court, (the main reason cyclists use drugs is to recover.) He's not amazing in a body builder fashion, but he's big in the world of tennis champions!!! Borg, McEnroe, Conners, Sampras, Lendl, Emerson, Fed... HELL!... Stich, Rafter, Forget and.... everyone!
Like I said... no one thing is a crime. It's not a crime to be the strongest, most buff tennis player. But to be it, along with the fastest, against what some people would argue the greatest and all the other things listed.... hmmmmmm....
That's absolutely right! That's the whole point. I'm posing the question, was Nadal out on injury or for drug use?
Question: Do you bet on someone recovering from a leg injury or someone on drugs that help improve their performance?
I agree with you. I'll take the guy on drugs. I'm curious though, is Nadal on drugs or an over exerted athlete? Wouldn't it change your preception on your wager?
That's absolutely right! That's the whole point. I'm posing the question, was Nadal out on injury or for drug use?
Question: Do you bet on someone recovering from a leg injury or someone on drugs that help improve their performance?
I agree with you. I'll take the guy on drugs. I'm curious though, is Nadal on drugs or an over exerted athlete? Wouldn't it change your preception on your wager?
That's absolutely right! That's the whole point. I'm posing the question, was Nadal out on injury or for drug use?
Question: Do you bet on someone recovering from a leg injury or someone on drugs that help improve their performance?
I agree with you. I'll take the guy on drugs. I'm curious though, is Nadal on drugs or an over exerted athlete? Wouldn't it change your preception on your wager?
Although I never thought about it until now, you certainly have a point. Every time I bet on Nadal these days my wife says, "Why are you betting on him, isn't he injured or something?"
Quote Originally Posted by AverageAllstar:
That's absolutely right! That's the whole point. I'm posing the question, was Nadal out on injury or for drug use?
Question: Do you bet on someone recovering from a leg injury or someone on drugs that help improve their performance?
I agree with you. I'll take the guy on drugs. I'm curious though, is Nadal on drugs or an over exerted athlete? Wouldn't it change your preception on your wager?
Although I never thought about it until now, you certainly have a point. Every time I bet on Nadal these days my wife says, "Why are you betting on him, isn't he injured or something?"
But Nadal isn't going for Home Runs of the year. I don't think He's on HGH but I do find it interesting he's not only the fastest guy on the court, he's also the biggest guy (mass wise, compared to tennis players) and quickest to recover guy on the court, (the main reason cyclists use drugs is to recover.) He's not amazing in a body builder fashion, but he's big in the world of tennis champions!!! Borg, McEnroe, Conners, Sampras, Lendl, Emerson, Fed... HELL!... Stich, Rafter, Forget and.... everyone!
Like I said... no one thing is a crime. It's not a crime to be the strongest, most buff tennis player. But to be it, along with the fastest, against what some people would argue the greatest and all the other things listed.... hmmmmmm....
Yeah i can much better relate to the points u just stated, other than "Nadal is so big, no1 can become so big without roids" or crap like that.
Quote Originally Posted by AverageAllstar:
But Nadal isn't going for Home Runs of the year. I don't think He's on HGH but I do find it interesting he's not only the fastest guy on the court, he's also the biggest guy (mass wise, compared to tennis players) and quickest to recover guy on the court, (the main reason cyclists use drugs is to recover.) He's not amazing in a body builder fashion, but he's big in the world of tennis champions!!! Borg, McEnroe, Conners, Sampras, Lendl, Emerson, Fed... HELL!... Stich, Rafter, Forget and.... everyone!
Like I said... no one thing is a crime. It's not a crime to be the strongest, most buff tennis player. But to be it, along with the fastest, against what some people would argue the greatest and all the other things listed.... hmmmmmm....
Yeah i can much better relate to the points u just stated, other than "Nadal is so big, no1 can become so big without roids" or crap like that.
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