This is a bad match up for federer, murray defense will force a lot of errors from federer tonight. The only way I see him losing is if federer serves a stellar match similar to the match he had against joker in the french semis a couple of year back. I think he will need to hit about 13+ aces to win this
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This is a bad match up for federer, murray defense will force a lot of errors from federer tonight. The only way I see him losing is if federer serves a stellar match similar to the match he had against joker in the french semis a couple of year back. I think he will need to hit about 13+ aces to win this
the odds for murray in 3 should be 25/1...and don't start talking about the olympics...federer wasn't on court in that match. likelyhood of this happening again is slim.
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the odds for murray in 3 should be 25/1...and don't start talking about the olympics...federer wasn't on court in that match. likelyhood of this happening again is slim.
the truth of the matter is that murray's game is not that far off from joker's game all that was missing is his mental weakness, he has had the game to win majors the past 3 years just hasn't bc he was mentally weak vs the top players, I think that monkey was clearly removed starting with the olympics and then continuing in the US Open, this is not grass either. Hard court considerable better for murray. And if you watched the federer tsonga match, quite frankly I thought tsonga was better just choked in tie breaks, I would not be surprised at all if murray wins in 3
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the truth of the matter is that murray's game is not that far off from joker's game all that was missing is his mental weakness, he has had the game to win majors the past 3 years just hasn't bc he was mentally weak vs the top players, I think that monkey was clearly removed starting with the olympics and then continuing in the US Open, this is not grass either. Hard court considerable better for murray. And if you watched the federer tsonga match, quite frankly I thought tsonga was better just choked in tie breaks, I would not be surprised at all if murray wins in 3
btw xbelili you are living in the past if you think federer should be favorite for this match
you are living in the future :)) Federer is here to stay for another 3-4 years. He is going to beat Murray on GS at least 3-4 times more. Federer is relaxed and motivated - he is joking constantly about how old he is. I bet he wants to prove a point. 3:1 to fed, I'll do you a favor and tell you that the odds for Murray aren't worth taking.
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Quote Originally Posted by cowboys173418:
btw xbelili you are living in the past if you think federer should be favorite for this match
you are living in the future :)) Federer is here to stay for another 3-4 years. He is going to beat Murray on GS at least 3-4 times more. Federer is relaxed and motivated - he is joking constantly about how old he is. I bet he wants to prove a point. 3:1 to fed, I'll do you a favor and tell you that the odds for Murray aren't worth taking.
you are living in the future :)) Federer is here to stay for another 3-4 years. He is going to beat Murray on GS at least 3-4 times more. Federer is relaxed and motivated - he is joking constantly about how old he is. I bet he wants to prove a point. 3:1 to fed, I'll do you a favor and tell you that the odds for Murray aren't worth taking.
if you think that he will be factor going past the quarters for the next 3-4 years, you are nuts,
i am a huge fan of fed just like i am of nadal, but you have to realized that fed has just ONE grand slam finals victory out of the last 11 slams. ELEVEN!!
in that too at wimbledon 2012 he was fortunate not to run into nadal who became his kryptonite on fed's beloved grass as well
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Quote Originally Posted by zippar:
you are living in the future :)) Federer is here to stay for another 3-4 years. He is going to beat Murray on GS at least 3-4 times more. Federer is relaxed and motivated - he is joking constantly about how old he is. I bet he wants to prove a point. 3:1 to fed, I'll do you a favor and tell you that the odds for Murray aren't worth taking.
if you think that he will be factor going past the quarters for the next 3-4 years, you are nuts,
i am a huge fan of fed just like i am of nadal, but you have to realized that fed has just ONE grand slam finals victory out of the last 11 slams. ELEVEN!!
in that too at wimbledon 2012 he was fortunate not to run into nadal who became his kryptonite on fed's beloved grass as well
Federer has to be the public play and yet he's the underdog? Against a guy he's 3-0 in GS tournaments?
There's really no explanation for Murray to be favored unless he's simply better. There's plenty of reasons why this should've been a pick 'em bet at worst.
I'm taking Murray at -140 b/c, well, it just seems way too high under the circumstances.
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Federer has to be the public play and yet he's the underdog? Against a guy he's 3-0 in GS tournaments?
There's really no explanation for Murray to be favored unless he's simply better. There's plenty of reasons why this should've been a pick 'em bet at worst.
I'm taking Murray at -140 b/c, well, it just seems way too high under the circumstances.
if you think that he will be factor going past the quarters for the next 3-4 years, you are nuts,
i am a huge fan of fed just like i am of nadal, but you have to realized that fed has just ONE grand slam finals victory out of the last 11 slams. ELEVEN!!
in that too at wimbledon 2012 he was fortunate not to run into nadal who became his kryptonite on fed's beloved grass as well
And look what happened in the year where it mattered most(he got to number 1, won a GS and a silver at the Olympics). He is clearly in much better shape than 2012(his own words). He has trained a lot and it shows.
Bottom line is that Fed is the much better tennis player when it matters and when he has put the offseason work. Murray may be more relaxed after winning a GS but he is no Djokovic....he still loses concentration and does stupid things on court. Plus, his movement is lacking, yes he is fast but not that flexible and mobile.
You can compare their games and you would understand that when both in form, Murray loses in 60-70% of all the dimensions. He should not be favored.
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Quote Originally Posted by gridironguy:
if you think that he will be factor going past the quarters for the next 3-4 years, you are nuts,
i am a huge fan of fed just like i am of nadal, but you have to realized that fed has just ONE grand slam finals victory out of the last 11 slams. ELEVEN!!
in that too at wimbledon 2012 he was fortunate not to run into nadal who became his kryptonite on fed's beloved grass as well
And look what happened in the year where it mattered most(he got to number 1, won a GS and a silver at the Olympics). He is clearly in much better shape than 2012(his own words). He has trained a lot and it shows.
Bottom line is that Fed is the much better tennis player when it matters and when he has put the offseason work. Murray may be more relaxed after winning a GS but he is no Djokovic....he still loses concentration and does stupid things on court. Plus, his movement is lacking, yes he is fast but not that flexible and mobile.
You can compare their games and you would understand that when both in form, Murray loses in 60-70% of all the dimensions. He should not be favored.
the thing is in the end, facts are facts....Federer is up 3-0 in grand slam matches, and 2-0 in australia...only losing 1 set to Murray even....I agree Fed has fallen off only winning 1 of last 11 grand slams...but to be honest I do see the value of Murray in 3...if it goes past 3 though i give the edge to Federer, and 5 set i really give the edge to team Fed cause he has proved so many times that pressure does not get to him....Yes I do believe Murray has certainly made strides since he got a new coach and won the olympics and is up 10-9 in total matches against Roger but Federer has proved time and time again that he comes up big when its needed most...I like Federer here, and also believe besides being battle tested his entire career, he was battle tested this entire tournament where Murray has had one of the easiest runs to the semis. Murray is the one with all the pressure on him here, as he still has to prove he can come up big when it is needed most. I like Federer here in 4 or 5.....but if i were betting Murray i would take him in 3 because his confidence will grow if he can win the first 2 sets against Federer, also Murray has played great defense in this tournament.......most of all I wish for a great, classic, match.....and BOL to everyone betting!!!
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the thing is in the end, facts are facts....Federer is up 3-0 in grand slam matches, and 2-0 in australia...only losing 1 set to Murray even....I agree Fed has fallen off only winning 1 of last 11 grand slams...but to be honest I do see the value of Murray in 3...if it goes past 3 though i give the edge to Federer, and 5 set i really give the edge to team Fed cause he has proved so many times that pressure does not get to him....Yes I do believe Murray has certainly made strides since he got a new coach and won the olympics and is up 10-9 in total matches against Roger but Federer has proved time and time again that he comes up big when its needed most...I like Federer here, and also believe besides being battle tested his entire career, he was battle tested this entire tournament where Murray has had one of the easiest runs to the semis. Murray is the one with all the pressure on him here, as he still has to prove he can come up big when it is needed most. I like Federer here in 4 or 5.....but if i were betting Murray i would take him in 3 because his confidence will grow if he can win the first 2 sets against Federer, also Murray has played great defense in this tournament.......most of all I wish for a great, classic, match.....and BOL to everyone betting!!!
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