This is getting a little crazy now, c'mon. I know his recent comments. Is he playing possum? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless this guy always ups his game at this stage of any tournament in particular this one. His odds have gone from even money to 250 in this past week. That's a little crazy. 40 point jump yesterday alone. That means they are worried about this Soderling match. I don't know, I suppose Soderling has a shot with these new balls and with how Nadal played against Isner but Sods isn't quite the server Isner is and Nadal has seen plenty of Sods. If Rafa comes out an gives Soderling a beat down those +250 odds will tank I would think. And Djoko better be careful of Fed as Fed will now only give his all in majors.
Federer is very tough to beat 3 out of 5 for anyone including Djoko. I don't know, I realize Djoko is the MAN right now but +250 for Rafa at Roland Garros seems like incredible value....
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This is getting a little crazy now, c'mon. I know his recent comments. Is he playing possum? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless this guy always ups his game at this stage of any tournament in particular this one. His odds have gone from even money to 250 in this past week. That's a little crazy. 40 point jump yesterday alone. That means they are worried about this Soderling match. I don't know, I suppose Soderling has a shot with these new balls and with how Nadal played against Isner but Sods isn't quite the server Isner is and Nadal has seen plenty of Sods. If Rafa comes out an gives Soderling a beat down those +250 odds will tank I would think. And Djoko better be careful of Fed as Fed will now only give his all in majors.
Federer is very tough to beat 3 out of 5 for anyone including Djoko. I don't know, I realize Djoko is the MAN right now but +250 for Rafa at Roland Garros seems like incredible value....
its crazy value tomorrows match is the semis, murray or chela cannot beat nadal so you can hedge the soderling match and then its novak, i think hell beat soderling in 4 sets
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its crazy value tomorrows match is the semis, murray or chela cannot beat nadal so you can hedge the soderling match and then its novak, i think hell beat soderling in 4 sets
Cryptic comments coming into the Soderling match for Nadal...
Nadal in seven years has Never played possum, with the media, with the public, with his opponents... Never.... He is a straight forward guy, who believes in class and sportsmanship.... His goal is to win wimbledon, not the French... He has adjusted his game to perform better in events other than the French, you have to grind it out on clay and he said himself:
- "I‘m not playing well enough to win this tournament,
- If I win [Against Soderling], it will be very important. It means I'm playing well - if not, then I'm on grass the next day practising."
Shows me that even in Paris his focus is Wimbledon...
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Cryptic comments coming into the Soderling match for Nadal...
Nadal in seven years has Never played possum, with the media, with the public, with his opponents... Never.... He is a straight forward guy, who believes in class and sportsmanship.... His goal is to win wimbledon, not the French... He has adjusted his game to perform better in events other than the French, you have to grind it out on clay and he said himself:
- "I‘m not playing well enough to win this tournament,
- If I win [Against Soderling], it will be very important. It means I'm playing well - if not, then I'm on grass the next day practising."
Shows me that even in Paris his focus is Wimbledon...
Cryptic comments coming into the Soderling match for Nadal...
Nadal in seven years has Never played possum, with the media, with the public, with his opponents... Never.... He is a straight forward guy, who believes in class and sportsmanship.... His goal is to win wimbledon, not the French... He has adjusted his game to perform better in events other than the French, you have to grind it out on clay and he said himself:
- "I‘m not playing well enough to win this tournament,
- If I win [Against Soderling], it will be very important. It means I'm playing well - if not, then I'm on grass the next day practising."
Shows me that even in Paris his focus is Wimbledon...
Yes but imo you also need to consider that Nadal has never had someone standing in his way before like Djoko is now. He's never had a player beat him 4X in a row in finals, on both hard and clay.... Maybe its time for a little mind games for the first time...
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Quote Originally Posted by AgainstDaConsen:
Cryptic comments coming into the Soderling match for Nadal...
Nadal in seven years has Never played possum, with the media, with the public, with his opponents... Never.... He is a straight forward guy, who believes in class and sportsmanship.... His goal is to win wimbledon, not the French... He has adjusted his game to perform better in events other than the French, you have to grind it out on clay and he said himself:
- "I‘m not playing well enough to win this tournament,
- If I win [Against Soderling], it will be very important. It means I'm playing well - if not, then I'm on grass the next day practising."
Shows me that even in Paris his focus is Wimbledon...
Yes but imo you also need to consider that Nadal has never had someone standing in his way before like Djoko is now. He's never had a player beat him 4X in a row in finals, on both hard and clay.... Maybe its time for a little mind games for the first time...
He's struggling with his confidence right now Larry, if he plays passively with no shot depth like he did against Ljubicic in the first set Soderling will surely bludgeon him to death with deep, heavy shots. There's room for optimism though as Nadal found the range for the end of the second and all of the third set. Definitely has to improve the serve, but the important part is he's winning while playing well below his standards. Soderling's not even playing that well and is possibly getting too much respect for a best of 5 match? Everyone's expecting Nadal to lose which is a dangerous mentality and Robin doesn't exactly handle expectations too well. He had absolutely nothing to lose in 2009 when he had the monumental upset but when they met again in the final last year and boasted to being a threat he surrendered meekly.
I also think Federer can sneak past Djokovic for whatever reason, just a gut feeling on that one.
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He's struggling with his confidence right now Larry, if he plays passively with no shot depth like he did against Ljubicic in the first set Soderling will surely bludgeon him to death with deep, heavy shots. There's room for optimism though as Nadal found the range for the end of the second and all of the third set. Definitely has to improve the serve, but the important part is he's winning while playing well below his standards. Soderling's not even playing that well and is possibly getting too much respect for a best of 5 match? Everyone's expecting Nadal to lose which is a dangerous mentality and Robin doesn't exactly handle expectations too well. He had absolutely nothing to lose in 2009 when he had the monumental upset but when they met again in the final last year and boasted to being a threat he surrendered meekly.
I also think Federer can sneak past Djokovic for whatever reason, just a gut feeling on that one.
He's struggling with his confidence right now Larry, if he plays passively with no shot depth like he did against Ljubicic in the first set Soderling will surely bludgeon him to death with deep, heavy shots. There's room for optimism though as Nadal found the range for the end of the second and all of the third set. Definitely has to improve the serve, but the important part is he's winning while playing well below his standards. Soderling's not even playing that well and is possibly getting too much respect for a best of 5 match? Everyone's expecting Nadal to lose which is a dangerous mentality and Robin doesn't exactly handle expectations too well. He had absolutely nothing to lose in 2009 when he had the monumental upset but when they met again in the final last year and boasted to being a threat he surrendered meekly.
I also think Federer can sneak past Djokovic for whatever reason, just a gut feeling on that one.
I'm with ya on everything you said bro.
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Quote Originally Posted by n3gative:
He's struggling with his confidence right now Larry, if he plays passively with no shot depth like he did against Ljubicic in the first set Soderling will surely bludgeon him to death with deep, heavy shots. There's room for optimism though as Nadal found the range for the end of the second and all of the third set. Definitely has to improve the serve, but the important part is he's winning while playing well below his standards. Soderling's not even playing that well and is possibly getting too much respect for a best of 5 match? Everyone's expecting Nadal to lose which is a dangerous mentality and Robin doesn't exactly handle expectations too well. He had absolutely nothing to lose in 2009 when he had the monumental upset but when they met again in the final last year and boasted to being a threat he surrendered meekly.
I also think Federer can sneak past Djokovic for whatever reason, just a gut feeling on that one.
Yes but imo you also need to consider that Nadal has never had someone standing in his way before like Djoko is now. He's never had a player beat him 4X in a row in finals, on both hard and clay.... Maybe its time for a little mind games for the first time...
One thing I do know is that these victories mean a hell of alot to Joker as for NADAL those finals win or lose meant absolutely nothing.. For all you know he was trying out different shit in order to understand Jokers game better... Guys like Fed and Nadal, who are probably the two best players ever, dont care about any of these bullshit tournaments... IF the ATP didnt make them Nadal and Fed would only play 6-7 tournaments a year
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Quote Originally Posted by melroselarry:
Yes but imo you also need to consider that Nadal has never had someone standing in his way before like Djoko is now. He's never had a player beat him 4X in a row in finals, on both hard and clay.... Maybe its time for a little mind games for the first time...
One thing I do know is that these victories mean a hell of alot to Joker as for NADAL those finals win or lose meant absolutely nothing.. For all you know he was trying out different shit in order to understand Jokers game better... Guys like Fed and Nadal, who are probably the two best players ever, dont care about any of these bullshit tournaments... IF the ATP didnt make them Nadal and Fed would only play 6-7 tournaments a year
One thing I do know is that these victories mean a hell of alot to Joker as for NADAL those finals win or lose meant absolutely nothing.. For all you know he was trying out different shit in order to understand Jokers game better... Guys like Fed and Nadal, who are probably the two best players ever, dont care about any of these bullshit tournaments... IF the ATP didnt make them Nadal and Fed would only play 6-7 tournaments a year
On the contrary Nadal is on record saying he wants Agassi's masters title record (which I think he broke or tied recently) and believe me you never want to lose a final to a rival especially in a masters tourney and he lost 4X in row to Djoko. Tennis is a big head to head sport. It's those "bullshit" tournament wins that will have Djoko laying 150 at least to Nadal in the final assuming they both make it. One thing I will say is that I'll be surprised and blown away by Djoko if he wins the French, that would really be something. Shit maybe even I'll go gluten-free after that!
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Quote Originally Posted by AgainstDaConsen:
One thing I do know is that these victories mean a hell of alot to Joker as for NADAL those finals win or lose meant absolutely nothing.. For all you know he was trying out different shit in order to understand Jokers game better... Guys like Fed and Nadal, who are probably the two best players ever, dont care about any of these bullshit tournaments... IF the ATP didnt make them Nadal and Fed would only play 6-7 tournaments a year
On the contrary Nadal is on record saying he wants Agassi's masters title record (which I think he broke or tied recently) and believe me you never want to lose a final to a rival especially in a masters tourney and he lost 4X in row to Djoko. Tennis is a big head to head sport. It's those "bullshit" tournament wins that will have Djoko laying 150 at least to Nadal in the final assuming they both make it. One thing I will say is that I'll be surprised and blown away by Djoko if he wins the French, that would really be something. Shit maybe even I'll go gluten-free after that!
I think they might be forced to start the men's final Saturday instead of Sunday and hope they can finish the match. Sunday/Monday is looking unplayable. Big storm about to hit Paris
Weather report for the weekend looks awesome.
Windy conditions again for Friday 20+ km/h and the start of isolated showers for the afternoon 40% POP Chance of Thunderstorms on Saturday 10mm of rain 90% POP Chance of Thunderstorms on Sunday 20-30mm of rain
90% POP Thunderstorms on Monday 10-15mm of rain 80% POP Thunderstorms on Tuesday 10+mm of rain
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I think they might be forced to start the men's final Saturday instead of Sunday and hope they can finish the match. Sunday/Monday is looking unplayable. Big storm about to hit Paris
Weather report for the weekend looks awesome.
Windy conditions again for Friday 20+ km/h and the start of isolated showers for the afternoon 40% POP Chance of Thunderstorms on Saturday 10mm of rain 90% POP Chance of Thunderstorms on Sunday 20-30mm of rain
90% POP Thunderstorms on Monday 10-15mm of rain 80% POP Thunderstorms on Tuesday 10+mm of rain
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