I mean if you are good at picking winners with a decent win percentage, why not? Some people are very good at picking winners, but the GAMBLING ruins everything. You pick 1 or 2 winners for Sunday, but can't seem to bet just the 2 games. It's not enough action... Then you go and bet a couple more games and win your original and lose the add ons just to end up behind if not worse due to betting more from not winning any money.
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I mean if you are good at picking winners with a decent win percentage, why not? Some people are very good at picking winners, but the GAMBLING ruins everything. You pick 1 or 2 winners for Sunday, but can't seem to bet just the 2 games. It's not enough action... Then you go and bet a couple more games and win your original and lose the add ons just to end up behind if not worse due to betting more from not winning any money.
There's tons of touts,, Alot of them do very well... The problem is the average player doesnt get the same numbers once its released because books move fast...
No one is blaming touts but yourself... Yet everyone earns a living,, now if the rules of the forum is no touts,, that is the rule of this entity that you are in,, that you are using...
Touts are guaranteed profit because they take no risk... Why should they gamble? Yet some really do not need to sell it because they love that thrill of being correct and getting paid for it... I know i do...
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There's tons of touts,, Alot of them do very well... The problem is the average player doesnt get the same numbers once its released because books move fast...
No one is blaming touts but yourself... Yet everyone earns a living,, now if the rules of the forum is no touts,, that is the rule of this entity that you are in,, that you are using...
Touts are guaranteed profit because they take no risk... Why should they gamble? Yet some really do not need to sell it because they love that thrill of being correct and getting paid for it... I know i do...
And touts that last for long periods of time season after season have to deal with the stress and responsibility of releasing quality plays,, sharps that bet their own money do not have the same kind of stress...
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And touts that last for long periods of time season after season have to deal with the stress and responsibility of releasing quality plays,, sharps that bet their own money do not have the same kind of stress...
And books hate them... They hate the sharps,, especially the ones with a huge following... Now adays if you walk down the vegas strip,, its a bunch of runners betting 500 bucks to go around the system... These guys are kinda like the same guys that stand there all day slapping x rated marketing material on their wrists lol... With kids and people from all over the world to see,, there's nothing more fabricated than that.. But i love it lol.. Love those betting counters
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And books hate them... They hate the sharps,, especially the ones with a huge following... Now adays if you walk down the vegas strip,, its a bunch of runners betting 500 bucks to go around the system... These guys are kinda like the same guys that stand there all day slapping x rated marketing material on their wrists lol... With kids and people from all over the world to see,, there's nothing more fabricated than that.. But i love it lol.. Love those betting counters
I disagree 100%. Being good at picking is one thing, but if you can't be disciplined you can ruin your gift. Giving out picks leaves no loss/risk and only gain if you are good.
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Quote Originally Posted by 2Team_Parlay:
Cuz if ur any good u don't need to sell picks
I disagree 100%. Being good at picking is one thing, but if you can't be disciplined you can ruin your gift. Giving out picks leaves no loss/risk and only gain if you are good.
There's tons of touts,, Alot of them do very well... The problem is the average player doesnt get the same numbers once its released because books move fast...
No one is blaming touts but yourself... Yet everyone earns a living,, now if the rules of the forum is no touts,, that is the rule of this entity that you are in,, that you are using...
Touts are guaranteed profit because they take no risk... Why should they gamble? Yet some really do not need to sell it because they love that thrill of being correct and getting paid for it... I know i do...
NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE I STATED THAT I BLAMED TOUTS... Also there are crap touts who give 50% of the customers one side and the other 50% the other side. I AM OBVIOUSLY NOT REFERRING TO THESE JOKERS.
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Quote Originally Posted by HoldingXYZ:
There's tons of touts,, Alot of them do very well... The problem is the average player doesnt get the same numbers once its released because books move fast...
No one is blaming touts but yourself... Yet everyone earns a living,, now if the rules of the forum is no touts,, that is the rule of this entity that you are in,, that you are using...
Touts are guaranteed profit because they take no risk... Why should they gamble? Yet some really do not need to sell it because they love that thrill of being correct and getting paid for it... I know i do...
NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE I STATED THAT I BLAMED TOUTS... Also there are crap touts who give 50% of the customers one side and the other 50% the other side. I AM OBVIOUSLY NOT REFERRING TO THESE JOKERS.
I disagree...If you are a good bettor and consistently win betting sports there are many reasons to attempt to capitalize on your intellectual property. If you flat bet your own plays at $1000 per wager with the occasional $2000 play that warrants a larger investment and you consistently average 56-59% you will make a nice chunk of change over the course of a year.
I personally stick to NFL, NBA, and NCAAF. Waste of my time focusing on other sports. I would rather be very good at those 3 than try to dabble and spend energy on MLB, CBB, or NHL...must eliminate the Pareto principle (80/20 rule) in life and business.
If I can create a website and share my ability to win long-term, I ask why not? It is work I am already doing. Yes there is time spent responding to people and emailing/posting plays but that is time well spent. I look at it like if I can help the average bettor have fun and make an extra few hundred or thousand (obviously depending on bankroll) bucks a month then that is creating value for others and not just myself. You can make a lot more money helping others than just helping yourself. If you had just 100 members paying an average of $100 monthly that comes to $10k per month. So the whole "people that truly win don't need to sell "picks"" argument has never been valid to me.
Now I completely hate the industry norm of pick sellers that are full of hype, prey on people, release bad lines, sell opposite sides, and create alias'. It is possible to bring value to others through solid handicapping. It is all about honesty and transparency, something you rarely see these days.
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2 Team_Parlay....
I disagree...If you are a good bettor and consistently win betting sports there are many reasons to attempt to capitalize on your intellectual property. If you flat bet your own plays at $1000 per wager with the occasional $2000 play that warrants a larger investment and you consistently average 56-59% you will make a nice chunk of change over the course of a year.
I personally stick to NFL, NBA, and NCAAF. Waste of my time focusing on other sports. I would rather be very good at those 3 than try to dabble and spend energy on MLB, CBB, or NHL...must eliminate the Pareto principle (80/20 rule) in life and business.
If I can create a website and share my ability to win long-term, I ask why not? It is work I am already doing. Yes there is time spent responding to people and emailing/posting plays but that is time well spent. I look at it like if I can help the average bettor have fun and make an extra few hundred or thousand (obviously depending on bankroll) bucks a month then that is creating value for others and not just myself. You can make a lot more money helping others than just helping yourself. If you had just 100 members paying an average of $100 monthly that comes to $10k per month. So the whole "people that truly win don't need to sell "picks"" argument has never been valid to me.
Now I completely hate the industry norm of pick sellers that are full of hype, prey on people, release bad lines, sell opposite sides, and create alias'. It is possible to bring value to others through solid handicapping. It is all about honesty and transparency, something you rarely see these days.
Because when most posters go tout, they become dodgy car salesmen.
Gone are YTDs and accurate tracking. In come the '4-0 Last 8 Days!!' bullshit selective-reporting posts.
In come the blue bird posts from fake and affiliated accounts with garbage like 'wow Tout Balls is so hot right now, bookies are crying, glad I got on the cash train toot toot'
And Axiom -- what you describe is generally not how any of them act. You're talking about supplemental income in a consulting role. That isn't what touts do. Touts become solely obsessed with selling subscriptions, and to do that they have to keep making bullshit records or, as above, selective records ie. "3-1 Last 4 Plays get on board homies!"... or start picking -250 faves to try and maintain an 'exciting win rate' to tout to buyers.
It's a seedy industry and that's why they are reviled here and anywhere accurate records and profit/loss accountability is held in importance.
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Because when most posters go tout, they become dodgy car salesmen.
Gone are YTDs and accurate tracking. In come the '4-0 Last 8 Days!!' bullshit selective-reporting posts.
In come the blue bird posts from fake and affiliated accounts with garbage like 'wow Tout Balls is so hot right now, bookies are crying, glad I got on the cash train toot toot'
And Axiom -- what you describe is generally not how any of them act. You're talking about supplemental income in a consulting role. That isn't what touts do. Touts become solely obsessed with selling subscriptions, and to do that they have to keep making bullshit records or, as above, selective records ie. "3-1 Last 4 Plays get on board homies!"... or start picking -250 faves to try and maintain an 'exciting win rate' to tout to buyers.
It's a seedy industry and that's why they are reviled here and anywhere accurate records and profit/loss accountability is held in importance.
Because when most posters go tout, they become dodgy car salesmen.
Gone are YTDs and accurate tracking. In come the '4-0 Last 8 Days!!' bullshit selective-reporting posts.
In come the blue bird posts from fake and affiliated accounts with garbage like 'wow Tout Balls is so hot right now, bookies are crying, glad I got on the cash train toot toot'
And Axiom -- what you describe is generally not how any of them act. You're talking about supplemental income in a consulting role. That isn't what touts do. Touts become solely obsessed with selling subscriptions, and to do that they have to keep making bullshit records or, as above, selective records ie. "3-1 Last 4 Plays get on board homies!"... or start picking -250 faves to try and maintain an 'exciting win rate' to tout to buyers.
It's a seedy industry and that's why they are reviled here and anywhere accurate records and profit/loss accountability is held in importance.
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Quote Originally Posted by Johnny-Utah:
Because when most posters go tout, they become dodgy car salesmen.
Gone are YTDs and accurate tracking. In come the '4-0 Last 8 Days!!' bullshit selective-reporting posts.
In come the blue bird posts from fake and affiliated accounts with garbage like 'wow Tout Balls is so hot right now, bookies are crying, glad I got on the cash train toot toot'
And Axiom -- what you describe is generally not how any of them act. You're talking about supplemental income in a consulting role. That isn't what touts do. Touts become solely obsessed with selling subscriptions, and to do that they have to keep making bullshit records or, as above, selective records ie. "3-1 Last 4 Plays get on board homies!"... or start picking -250 faves to try and maintain an 'exciting win rate' to tout to buyers.
It's a seedy industry and that's why they are reviled here and anywhere accurate records and profit/loss accountability is held in importance.
Because when most posters go tout, they become dodgy car salesmen.
Gone are YTDs and accurate tracking. In come the '4-0 Last 8 Days!!' bullshit selective-reporting posts.
In come the blue bird posts from fake and affiliated accounts with garbage like 'wow Tout Balls is so hot right now, bookies are crying, glad I got on the cash train toot toot'
And Axiom -- what you describe is generally not how any of them act. You're talking about supplemental income in a consulting role. That isn't what touts do. Touts become solely obsessed with selling subscriptions, and to do that they have to keep making bullshit records or, as above, selective records ie. "3-1 Last 4 Plays get on board homies!"... or start picking -250 faves to try and maintain an 'exciting win rate' to tout to buyers.
It's a seedy industry and that's why they are reviled here and anywhere accurate records and profit/loss accountability is held in importance.
They are probably reviled here cuz they charge while everyone on here wants free.
Have you bought picks from touts?
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Quote Originally Posted by Johnny-Utah:
Because when most posters go tout, they become dodgy car salesmen.
Gone are YTDs and accurate tracking. In come the '4-0 Last 8 Days!!' bullshit selective-reporting posts.
In come the blue bird posts from fake and affiliated accounts with garbage like 'wow Tout Balls is so hot right now, bookies are crying, glad I got on the cash train toot toot'
And Axiom -- what you describe is generally not how any of them act. You're talking about supplemental income in a consulting role. That isn't what touts do. Touts become solely obsessed with selling subscriptions, and to do that they have to keep making bullshit records or, as above, selective records ie. "3-1 Last 4 Plays get on board homies!"... or start picking -250 faves to try and maintain an 'exciting win rate' to tout to buyers.
It's a seedy industry and that's why they are reviled here and anywhere accurate records and profit/loss accountability is held in importance.
They are probably reviled here cuz they charge while everyone on here wants free.
Johnny Utah...love that name by the way...great movie...
You make some great points and are absolutely correct. You went into detail on some stuff I said earlier about the "industry norm". I personally dislike the term "tout" but I understand why it is used because most cappers are doing exactly what you stated with the "3-0 last three plays" crap. There are so many tricks they use its sickening.
The terms I probably hate the most:
Locks
Hammer
Monster
Killer
Cash Train (stole that from you but I've seen it around..lol)
Cash out
Game of the year of the west division in the MAC (not even sure that exists)
There a few such as Dr.Bob, RAS, and myself that I would never call a tout but unfortunately it is a blanket label used for anyone that sells plays and information. I have personally never stated "runs" or records for short periods of time. Every update I do reflects the full record. I just happen to be a guy that has personally been doing this successfully for a long time. I was making consistent returns, helped some friends and family make some money and eventually decided to try and set myself apart from the "industry norm" by creating my own site. Not everyone selling sports investments (bc yes that is how it should be approached) is seedy. Honesty and transparency is one of the most important things to me in life and in all aspects of business.
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Johnny Utah...love that name by the way...great movie...
You make some great points and are absolutely correct. You went into detail on some stuff I said earlier about the "industry norm". I personally dislike the term "tout" but I understand why it is used because most cappers are doing exactly what you stated with the "3-0 last three plays" crap. There are so many tricks they use its sickening.
The terms I probably hate the most:
Locks
Hammer
Monster
Killer
Cash Train (stole that from you but I've seen it around..lol)
Cash out
Game of the year of the west division in the MAC (not even sure that exists)
There a few such as Dr.Bob, RAS, and myself that I would never call a tout but unfortunately it is a blanket label used for anyone that sells plays and information. I have personally never stated "runs" or records for short periods of time. Every update I do reflects the full record. I just happen to be a guy that has personally been doing this successfully for a long time. I was making consistent returns, helped some friends and family make some money and eventually decided to try and set myself apart from the "industry norm" by creating my own site. Not everyone selling sports investments (bc yes that is how it should be approached) is seedy. Honesty and transparency is one of the most important things to me in life and in all aspects of business.
It's called distribution. If you can get your information to 100, 1000, or 10,000 people who are willing to PAY for it... then there is no risk, just profit.
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Quote Originally Posted by 2Team_Parlay:
Cuz if ur any good u don't need to sell picks
It's called distribution. If you can get your information to 100, 1000, or 10,000 people who are willing to PAY for it... then there is no risk, just profit.
I went Tout as of Aug. 1st this year.......I did it because I posted plays for 10 years and only a few really appreciated it.........I also made a huge bet for a friend who couldn't get in his self and it was my play..........I carried the money to the book and then when the play Won, I had to collect the money and take to the guy........This was a very Big bet now, he said Thanks and didn't give me one red cent...........I posted my record for 10 years and Won 47 seasons and loss 7............Never have I had a losing season in baseball and can prove all of this............I started charging $100 a month and those who really Appreciated what I did, they are all with me...........$100 a month is nothing but no one has left me since we started.........I hate posting free plays because I'm a jinx to the free play but I've offered anyone to follow me for a couple of weeks and just see what I can do..........I will just email you the plays every day and no hassle at all, I PROMISE that.........I don't like tonight's game at all but I do have a play for the NBA tomorrow night............In NCAAF since Aug. 1st and this is after my first bad weekend this past weekend...........We're 82-70 and a $100 player is plus $3125............In the NFL, we're 65-58 and plus $1450...........I've been betting since 1975 and I play a lot of games compared to most...........I play 90% Dogs and I think I'm better than any tout out there..........Those who followed me this year in baseball ended up making right at $15,000 for a $100 player........I can prove this easily at another site..........Anyway, let me prove myself for Free...........I might have a play later for the night but not right now...........I've got 3 books in different parts of the country I will call later and get a feel for what everyone is doing......My Strongest bet yesterday was Pitt followed by N.O............We had a bad week last week in the NFL and not a great one yesterday.....Real quick, everyone of the Guys playing with me.......They know I will win them at least $20,000 by next Aug. 1st............I've averaged over that for the last 10 years posting......Guy emails me yesterday, said Wayne Root had the same plays you played this week........NO, Cinn, Pitt and Car.....I told him, Root has copied my plays for the last 10 years.........I give my plays out before the sharps hit'em so my people can get the Best lines..........Thanks so much for your time, would love to get an email from you and start giving free plays........What have you got to lose??? Knockonwood3@yahoo.com.........Thanks, Knock!
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I went Tout as of Aug. 1st this year.......I did it because I posted plays for 10 years and only a few really appreciated it.........I also made a huge bet for a friend who couldn't get in his self and it was my play..........I carried the money to the book and then when the play Won, I had to collect the money and take to the guy........This was a very Big bet now, he said Thanks and didn't give me one red cent...........I posted my record for 10 years and Won 47 seasons and loss 7............Never have I had a losing season in baseball and can prove all of this............I started charging $100 a month and those who really Appreciated what I did, they are all with me...........$100 a month is nothing but no one has left me since we started.........I hate posting free plays because I'm a jinx to the free play but I've offered anyone to follow me for a couple of weeks and just see what I can do..........I will just email you the plays every day and no hassle at all, I PROMISE that.........I don't like tonight's game at all but I do have a play for the NBA tomorrow night............In NCAAF since Aug. 1st and this is after my first bad weekend this past weekend...........We're 82-70 and a $100 player is plus $3125............In the NFL, we're 65-58 and plus $1450...........I've been betting since 1975 and I play a lot of games compared to most...........I play 90% Dogs and I think I'm better than any tout out there..........Those who followed me this year in baseball ended up making right at $15,000 for a $100 player........I can prove this easily at another site..........Anyway, let me prove myself for Free...........I might have a play later for the night but not right now...........I've got 3 books in different parts of the country I will call later and get a feel for what everyone is doing......My Strongest bet yesterday was Pitt followed by N.O............We had a bad week last week in the NFL and not a great one yesterday.....Real quick, everyone of the Guys playing with me.......They know I will win them at least $20,000 by next Aug. 1st............I've averaged over that for the last 10 years posting......Guy emails me yesterday, said Wayne Root had the same plays you played this week........NO, Cinn, Pitt and Car.....I told him, Root has copied my plays for the last 10 years.........I give my plays out before the sharps hit'em so my people can get the Best lines..........Thanks so much for your time, would love to get an email from you and start giving free plays........What have you got to lose??? Knockonwood3@yahoo.com.........Thanks, Knock!
Forgot, my goal is to always get you playing with the books money.......That's why those who started Aug. 1st, they will have at least $20,000 to let's really make some money for them........Good time to start with the NBA (hate the NBA but love to bet) and College Hoops........I grew up a Duke fan and really know the ACC.......Anyway, Thanks for your time.........Woody
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Forgot, my goal is to always get you playing with the books money.......That's why those who started Aug. 1st, they will have at least $20,000 to let's really make some money for them........Good time to start with the NBA (hate the NBA but love to bet) and College Hoops........I grew up a Duke fan and really know the ACC.......Anyway, Thanks for your time.........Woody
Guys we're 7-5 in the NBA, plus $350..........We did go 4-0 last night.........Going into NCAAF today we're 84-70, plus $3525....This would be a $100 player.........I seem to be a jinx to the free play but I'll give 1 our bigger plays today...........Vir. plus 3-!!!
Guys we're 7-5 in the NBA, plus $350..........We did go 4-0 last night.........Going into NCAAF today we're 84-70, plus $3525....This would be a $100 player.........I seem to be a jinx to the free play but I'll give 1 our bigger plays today...........Vir. plus 3-!!!
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