Longtime lurker here. Been following and tailing him since 2015. He went 72-58 (55%) last year for +11.15 units. I even made some units extra off his futures recommendations.
Bash me but I didn't hesitate to sign up for his new site. I will always pay a fair price for good picks and great analysis. He got a lot of good stuff on his site.
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Longtime lurker here. Been following and tailing him since 2015. He went 72-58 (55%) last year for +11.15 units. I even made some units extra off his futures recommendations.
Bash me but I didn't hesitate to sign up for his new site. I will always pay a fair price for good picks and great analysis. He got a lot of good stuff on his site.
Longtime lurker here. Been following and tailing him since 2015. He went 72-58 (55%) last year for +11.15 units. I even made some units extra off his futures recommendations.Bash me but I didn't hesitate to sign up for his new site. I will always pay a fair price for good picks and great analysis. He got a lot of good stuff on his site.
So he's charging for his write-ups now?
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Quote Originally Posted by two4thecash:
Longtime lurker here. Been following and tailing him since 2015. He went 72-58 (55%) last year for +11.15 units. I even made some units extra off his futures recommendations.Bash me but I didn't hesitate to sign up for his new site. I will always pay a fair price for good picks and great analysis. He got a lot of good stuff on his site.
Longtime lurker here. Been following and tailing him since 2015. He went 72-58 (55%) last year for +11.15 units. I even made some units extra off his futures recommendations.
Bash me but I didn't hesitate to sign up for his new site. I will always pay a fair price for good picks and great analysis. He got a lot of good stuff on his site.
Thank you for that disappointing information.
Most of my bets are under $10, so I will NEVER pay for picks.
Suuma spends a LOT of time and energy analyzing game films, so I can understand his desire to be compensated for his diligent efforts, but I like the idea of the Internet being mainly free for everybody, including those with limited or no income.
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Quote Originally Posted by two4thecash:
Longtime lurker here. Been following and tailing him since 2015. He went 72-58 (55%) last year for +11.15 units. I even made some units extra off his futures recommendations.
Bash me but I didn't hesitate to sign up for his new site. I will always pay a fair price for good picks and great analysis. He got a lot of good stuff on his site.
Thank you for that disappointing information.
Most of my bets are under $10, so I will NEVER pay for picks.
Suuma spends a LOT of time and energy analyzing game films, so I can understand his desire to be compensated for his diligent efforts, but I like the idea of the Internet being mainly free for everybody, including those with limited or no income.
Longtime lurker here. Been following and tailing him since 2015. He went 72-58 (55%) last year for +11.15 units. I even made some units extra off his futures recommendations.
Bash me but I didn't hesitate to sign up for his new site. I will always pay a fair price for good picks and great analysis. He got a lot of good stuff on his site.
Are you sure that's correct, I remember him having a tough stretch last year. Anyway 55% minus whatever fees he charges you would probably be down money.
Also he only started capping college last year, usually didnt post his picks but was sometimes tailing people. And he only started doing that because like I said his NFL picks were struggling.
NO ONE goes tout because they're a winner. They just realize it's easier to take money off the gambling fools and unlike being a bookie they don't need a bankroll to get started. All of them are jokers who WILL GET YOU BURIED.
How I see it, Suuma had a good year and his threads got really popular. Then last year the results were not as good. He got trolled by some twits and he tried to ignore it but that combined with the dip in results was tough to take and he went to the dark side. At least a bookie gives you a chance to win. Touts take your money either way most of them, and even if they give refunds on losers you still lost. Say tomorrow night a tour gives you a pick, you actually we're liking the other side but you trust the mighty touts expert opinion. The pick he gives loses. So he refunds you. But you owe your bookie money, when you would have won without his 'help'.
Say the pick he gives wins. Happy days, now your glad you didn't stick with your own pick. This guy knows his stuff, you say. The next pick he gives you, you actually agreed with. So combined with the last pick winning, you are full of confidence. So you make a bigger bet, double down. And the pick loses. So now you've lost 2 units, plus the tout fee for the first pick.
These are the scenarios you will see most tout customers run into. Your money management will be ruined by making bigger bets in order to offset the fees, and by the false confidence of 'guaranteed winners'.
Touts are scum. Avoid.
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Quote Originally Posted by two4thecash:
Longtime lurker here. Been following and tailing him since 2015. He went 72-58 (55%) last year for +11.15 units. I even made some units extra off his futures recommendations.
Bash me but I didn't hesitate to sign up for his new site. I will always pay a fair price for good picks and great analysis. He got a lot of good stuff on his site.
Are you sure that's correct, I remember him having a tough stretch last year. Anyway 55% minus whatever fees he charges you would probably be down money.
Also he only started capping college last year, usually didnt post his picks but was sometimes tailing people. And he only started doing that because like I said his NFL picks were struggling.
NO ONE goes tout because they're a winner. They just realize it's easier to take money off the gambling fools and unlike being a bookie they don't need a bankroll to get started. All of them are jokers who WILL GET YOU BURIED.
How I see it, Suuma had a good year and his threads got really popular. Then last year the results were not as good. He got trolled by some twits and he tried to ignore it but that combined with the dip in results was tough to take and he went to the dark side. At least a bookie gives you a chance to win. Touts take your money either way most of them, and even if they give refunds on losers you still lost. Say tomorrow night a tour gives you a pick, you actually we're liking the other side but you trust the mighty touts expert opinion. The pick he gives loses. So he refunds you. But you owe your bookie money, when you would have won without his 'help'.
Say the pick he gives wins. Happy days, now your glad you didn't stick with your own pick. This guy knows his stuff, you say. The next pick he gives you, you actually agreed with. So combined with the last pick winning, you are full of confidence. So you make a bigger bet, double down. And the pick loses. So now you've lost 2 units, plus the tout fee for the first pick.
These are the scenarios you will see most tout customers run into. Your money management will be ruined by making bigger bets in order to offset the fees, and by the false confidence of 'guaranteed winners'.
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yeah he had interesting write ups every week, happy that he's finally getting paid but blows for the overall covers community
but someone will take his place ... eventually .. whoever that is bol
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yeah he had interesting write ups every week, happy that he's finally getting paid but blows for the overall covers community
but someone will take his place ... eventually .. whoever that is bol
Suuma seems to me a smart guy but that does not mean he or any touts could win. If they are sure they could win there will be no sale for their picks. I'd spend $160 for NFL game pass to replay the games and find some reasons to back my picks.
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Suuma seems to me a smart guy but that does not mean he or any touts could win. If they are sure they could win there will be no sale for their picks. I'd spend $160 for NFL game pass to replay the games and find some reasons to back my picks.
I don't know which games he picked, but, in his recently updated Twitter bio, he claimed to go 3-2 in 2017 NFL week one, picking up +0.9u. I can't verify this, but he's always seemed to be honest. --- If he was trying to scam people with his record, he'd probably not admit to being 3-2.
If you trust him, and you're betting at least a few hundred a game, then his $10 a week fees are worth it, in my opinion. I imagine he'll finish the season up around 10 units (after the vig). At $550 per bet (to win 500), you'd make approximately 5 grand over the course of a season blindly following him (assuming you had the self-control to only do his plays). A quasi-guaranteed 5-grand profit over 4 months, for the mere cost of $160? Seems like a good bargain to me.
Also, FWIW, lots of generally profitable cappers on here (CMjohnson1, PhantomCapper, Nickelbets, BirdsonBat, Pipedoctor) had rather unprofitable week 1s (based on my tracking).
Suuma, IMO, isn't going to delivery anything astonishing (60%+), but, as I said earlier, I'm fairly confident that he'll deliver at least a 10-unit profit this season.
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I don't know which games he picked, but, in his recently updated Twitter bio, he claimed to go 3-2 in 2017 NFL week one, picking up +0.9u. I can't verify this, but he's always seemed to be honest. --- If he was trying to scam people with his record, he'd probably not admit to being 3-2.
If you trust him, and you're betting at least a few hundred a game, then his $10 a week fees are worth it, in my opinion. I imagine he'll finish the season up around 10 units (after the vig). At $550 per bet (to win 500), you'd make approximately 5 grand over the course of a season blindly following him (assuming you had the self-control to only do his plays). A quasi-guaranteed 5-grand profit over 4 months, for the mere cost of $160? Seems like a good bargain to me.
Also, FWIW, lots of generally profitable cappers on here (CMjohnson1, PhantomCapper, Nickelbets, BirdsonBat, Pipedoctor) had rather unprofitable week 1s (based on my tracking).
Suuma, IMO, isn't going to delivery anything astonishing (60%+), but, as I said earlier, I'm fairly confident that he'll deliver at least a 10-unit profit this season.
Are you sure that's correct, I remember him having a tough stretch last year. Anyway 55% minus whatever fees he charges you would probably be down money.
Also he only started capping college last year, usually didnt post his picks but was sometimes tailing people. And he only started doing that because like I said his NFL picks were struggling.
NO ONE goes tout because they're a winner. They just realize it's easier to take money off the gambling fools and unlike being a bookie they don't need a bankroll to get started. All of them are jokers who WILL GET YOU BURIED.
How I see it, Suuma had a good year and his threads got really popular. Then last year the results were not as good. He got trolled by some twits and he tried to ignore it but that combined with the dip in results was tough to take and he went to the dark side. At least a bookie gives you a chance to win. Touts take your money either way most of them, and even if they give refunds on losers you still lost. Say tomorrow night a tour gives you a pick, you actually we're liking the other side but you trust the mighty touts expert opinion. The pick he gives loses. So he refunds you. But you owe your bookie money, when you would have won without his 'help'.
Say the pick he gives wins. Happy days, now your glad you didn't stick with your own pick. This guy knows his stuff, you say. The next pick he gives you, you actually agreed with. So combined with the last pick winning, you are full of confidence. So you make a bigger bet, double down. And the pick loses. So now you've lost 2 units, plus the tout fee for the first pick.
These are the scenarios you will see most tout customers run into. Your money management will be ruined by making bigger bets in order to offset the fees, and by the false confidence of 'guaranteed winners'.
Touts are scum. Avoid.
He had his tough stretch during the second half of the season. At some point around week 10/11 he was over 60%.
I respect your opinion but I differ between good and bad touts. For $160 you get his picks, analysis, Power Rating (which seems to be spot on so far) and a forum to discuss anything you want. I think no service offers all that for $160.
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Quote Originally Posted by PhillyBrown:
Are you sure that's correct, I remember him having a tough stretch last year. Anyway 55% minus whatever fees he charges you would probably be down money.
Also he only started capping college last year, usually didnt post his picks but was sometimes tailing people. And he only started doing that because like I said his NFL picks were struggling.
NO ONE goes tout because they're a winner. They just realize it's easier to take money off the gambling fools and unlike being a bookie they don't need a bankroll to get started. All of them are jokers who WILL GET YOU BURIED.
How I see it, Suuma had a good year and his threads got really popular. Then last year the results were not as good. He got trolled by some twits and he tried to ignore it but that combined with the dip in results was tough to take and he went to the dark side. At least a bookie gives you a chance to win. Touts take your money either way most of them, and even if they give refunds on losers you still lost. Say tomorrow night a tour gives you a pick, you actually we're liking the other side but you trust the mighty touts expert opinion. The pick he gives loses. So he refunds you. But you owe your bookie money, when you would have won without his 'help'.
Say the pick he gives wins. Happy days, now your glad you didn't stick with your own pick. This guy knows his stuff, you say. The next pick he gives you, you actually agreed with. So combined with the last pick winning, you are full of confidence. So you make a bigger bet, double down. And the pick loses. So now you've lost 2 units, plus the tout fee for the first pick.
These are the scenarios you will see most tout customers run into. Your money management will be ruined by making bigger bets in order to offset the fees, and by the false confidence of 'guaranteed winners'.
Touts are scum. Avoid.
He had his tough stretch during the second half of the season. At some point around week 10/11 he was over 60%.
I respect your opinion but I differ between good and bad touts. For $160 you get his picks, analysis, Power Rating (which seems to be spot on so far) and a forum to discuss anything you want. I think no service offers all that for $160.
He went 2-4 after hitting the Texas on Thursday. One of his two hits was a half point win (u47.5, KC/PHI), which many of his subscribers might've gotten a push or a u46.5 loss. One of his losses was a half-point loss (GB/ATL u56.5).
Win
HOU +6
KC/PHI u47.5
DEN +2.5
Lose
CLE +7.5
SEA -12.5
LAC -4
GB / ATL u56.5
It's easy to say the following in hindsight, but that Seattle -12.5 pick was a TERRIBLE pick. Any NFL team with that atrocious of an offense and offensive line should not be laying 12.5, no matter who the opponent is. It really is that simple.
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Rough week 2 for him...
He went 2-4 after hitting the Texas on Thursday. One of his two hits was a half point win (u47.5, KC/PHI), which many of his subscribers might've gotten a push or a u46.5 loss. One of his losses was a half-point loss (GB/ATL u56.5).
Win
HOU +6
KC/PHI u47.5
DEN +2.5
Lose
CLE +7.5
SEA -12.5
LAC -4
GB / ATL u56.5
It's easy to say the following in hindsight, but that Seattle -12.5 pick was a TERRIBLE pick. Any NFL team with that atrocious of an offense and offensive line should not be laying 12.5, no matter who the opponent is. It really is that simple.
Lol i see he sitll loves to play the Chargers despite them never covering when he does.
and how does it feel to be sold a pick on the Cleveland Browns?
seriously can't imagine paying someone to tell me the Browns are going to win and then paying my bookie when they inevitably lose and thinking 'yeah this is a great deal.'
i'm telling you, no one goes tout because they win. do you think he's betting on the Browns with the money you pay him? nope, he's cashing that check and letting you lose your shirt.
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Lol i see he sitll loves to play the Chargers despite them never covering when he does.
and how does it feel to be sold a pick on the Cleveland Browns?
seriously can't imagine paying someone to tell me the Browns are going to win and then paying my bookie when they inevitably lose and thinking 'yeah this is a great deal.'
i'm telling you, no one goes tout because they win. do you think he's betting on the Browns with the money you pay him? nope, he's cashing that check and letting you lose your shirt.
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