What do you do before you decide you lay money down on a pick? What is it that's the deciding factor? What needs to line up for you in a game matchup for you to say you like one side or another? What you do during that process ultimately decides whether you are a winner or loser. I know that I have changed my outlook on what needs to be done. If you are looking at game and player stats then you have already lost IMO. There's not a stat you can uncover that won't be factored into the line, plus the line makers have access to stats and intimate team info that the avg. bettor will never know. If you think Vegas/Costa Rica Sports Books are good at what they do then there can be no advantage gained by analyzing stats. Let's face it they have software that can analyze the stats of a game way more in depth than you ever could. Knowing that a team with a bad run D is playing a good running team is not knowing anything. Let's face it, how many people can really open the newspaper, or in this day and age go to the laptop, and pick winners out of their ass 52 weeks every year? The access just isn't there fpr the avg. bettor to be that chop out winner winning fractions of units each day across all sports. Sports books are erected on the backs of the nickel and dime bettor who has nothing more than stats out of a newspaper or laptop to come to battle with.
I've always been a numbers guy, was always good in math in school. I've been studying the ATS records of both teams and bettors for just about 11 months now. I have realized a very important fact. Skewed records return to the mean. For sports with spreads, in theory, every bettor and every team should be close to 50% once enough trials have been run. I can tell you I have been collecting public opinions and entering them into software. Every bettor that has entered more than 700 opinions is somewhere between 52% and 49%. There's about a dozen people that have done so and all of them are that close to 50%. Someone who starts out at 65% over the first few weeks of NFL will have a correction period where they win only 35% of the time. I've watched it happen time and time again happen to people. And vice-versa, if someone starts out cold as ice they will have a hot streak at some point. Same goes for teams.
For Instance, using a Trend Query research tool I have developed I was able to find out that the San Diego Chargers are 7 - 2 - 1 ATS (77.78%) as a Road/Dog between 3 and 6.5 the last three seasons. I predict that a correction will start this season. I expect SD to be a Road dog between 3 and 6.5 at least 4 out of the 8 road games, maybe more. We'll see. I found lots more really skewed stats with the teams in the NFL as well. I'll list them on the boards as the season nears. I bet if you just wagered upon these corrections and left your personal opinion out of it that you would win money for the season. I really feel most bettors are standing in the way of their own success. They overrate their abilities or just go with their gut. Our opinions are useful if we had a place where we could enter them and have them go into the pot with all the other opinions that were offered and then use search and filter tools that allowed you to pull certain opinions from the community based on the ability of the handicappers, or based on who is currently hot or cold, or based upon what kind of streak individual bettors are on. It's like one thread of silk, by itself it is weak and can be torn, but put it with hundreds or thousand of other silk strands and it is impenetrable.
Right now I am near completion of software that will look for these skews and time them as well as far as when is the highest probability for them to break, also each community member will have access to tools that will allow them to sift through the opinions in every game's betting pool using a various combination of filters, and access to the Trend Query tool so you can look for the skews yourself. Upward and Downward trend data will be calculated and graphed for every user and every team. Use the data to predict corrections, look for when corrections of teams line up with the corrections of bettors. There will be many more tools as well. Nothing costs money either. The only thing you have to pay is with your opinion. Entering Your opinion gets you past the firewall and gives you access to many, many unique tools you have never seen or used before. If you are a $25 or $50 bettor and you are tired of doing what you are doing, I have an unbelievable alternative for you that will cost you nothing and certainly do much better than you will ever do on your own.
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What do you do before you decide you lay money down on a pick? What is it that's the deciding factor? What needs to line up for you in a game matchup for you to say you like one side or another? What you do during that process ultimately decides whether you are a winner or loser. I know that I have changed my outlook on what needs to be done. If you are looking at game and player stats then you have already lost IMO. There's not a stat you can uncover that won't be factored into the line, plus the line makers have access to stats and intimate team info that the avg. bettor will never know. If you think Vegas/Costa Rica Sports Books are good at what they do then there can be no advantage gained by analyzing stats. Let's face it they have software that can analyze the stats of a game way more in depth than you ever could. Knowing that a team with a bad run D is playing a good running team is not knowing anything. Let's face it, how many people can really open the newspaper, or in this day and age go to the laptop, and pick winners out of their ass 52 weeks every year? The access just isn't there fpr the avg. bettor to be that chop out winner winning fractions of units each day across all sports. Sports books are erected on the backs of the nickel and dime bettor who has nothing more than stats out of a newspaper or laptop to come to battle with.
I've always been a numbers guy, was always good in math in school. I've been studying the ATS records of both teams and bettors for just about 11 months now. I have realized a very important fact. Skewed records return to the mean. For sports with spreads, in theory, every bettor and every team should be close to 50% once enough trials have been run. I can tell you I have been collecting public opinions and entering them into software. Every bettor that has entered more than 700 opinions is somewhere between 52% and 49%. There's about a dozen people that have done so and all of them are that close to 50%. Someone who starts out at 65% over the first few weeks of NFL will have a correction period where they win only 35% of the time. I've watched it happen time and time again happen to people. And vice-versa, if someone starts out cold as ice they will have a hot streak at some point. Same goes for teams.
For Instance, using a Trend Query research tool I have developed I was able to find out that the San Diego Chargers are 7 - 2 - 1 ATS (77.78%) as a Road/Dog between 3 and 6.5 the last three seasons. I predict that a correction will start this season. I expect SD to be a Road dog between 3 and 6.5 at least 4 out of the 8 road games, maybe more. We'll see. I found lots more really skewed stats with the teams in the NFL as well. I'll list them on the boards as the season nears. I bet if you just wagered upon these corrections and left your personal opinion out of it that you would win money for the season. I really feel most bettors are standing in the way of their own success. They overrate their abilities or just go with their gut. Our opinions are useful if we had a place where we could enter them and have them go into the pot with all the other opinions that were offered and then use search and filter tools that allowed you to pull certain opinions from the community based on the ability of the handicappers, or based on who is currently hot or cold, or based upon what kind of streak individual bettors are on. It's like one thread of silk, by itself it is weak and can be torn, but put it with hundreds or thousand of other silk strands and it is impenetrable.
Right now I am near completion of software that will look for these skews and time them as well as far as when is the highest probability for them to break, also each community member will have access to tools that will allow them to sift through the opinions in every game's betting pool using a various combination of filters, and access to the Trend Query tool so you can look for the skews yourself. Upward and Downward trend data will be calculated and graphed for every user and every team. Use the data to predict corrections, look for when corrections of teams line up with the corrections of bettors. There will be many more tools as well. Nothing costs money either. The only thing you have to pay is with your opinion. Entering Your opinion gets you past the firewall and gives you access to many, many unique tools you have never seen or used before. If you are a $25 or $50 bettor and you are tired of doing what you are doing, I have an unbelievable alternative for you that will cost you nothing and certainly do much better than you will ever do on your own.
You've peaked my interest. So you're developing a software that will take other cappers pick and arrive at some consensus? Or use SDQL Databases to discover active trends?
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You've peaked my interest. So you're developing a software that will take other cappers pick and arrive at some consensus? Or use SDQL Databases to discover active trends?
I am currently using some rends but only ones that pertain to Coaches as they are the only ones who can be followed across a span of seasons, their tendencies anyway. The rest is BS, teams change consistently and so their trends break.
I myself am a software engineer and a fairly knowledgeable NFL analyst/capper. I'm using Python and Java to develop a program that gives me a custom Offensive, Defensive, and Overall Power Ranking; along with team tendencies which I can then digest into an extremely accurate pick. I look forward to this season.
I saw you say we can never get close with our stats as they have all of them. All I can say is sometimes too many cooks spoil the stew, I use only the most pertinent stats and in a way Vegas does not, heavily leaning on Consistency and team strengths, weaknesses and tendencies. This is all without weighing the betting bias the books must take into account and the closer you get to an accurate number the more teasers become an even deadlier tool to break the book.
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I am currently using some rends but only ones that pertain to Coaches as they are the only ones who can be followed across a span of seasons, their tendencies anyway. The rest is BS, teams change consistently and so their trends break.
I myself am a software engineer and a fairly knowledgeable NFL analyst/capper. I'm using Python and Java to develop a program that gives me a custom Offensive, Defensive, and Overall Power Ranking; along with team tendencies which I can then digest into an extremely accurate pick. I look forward to this season.
I saw you say we can never get close with our stats as they have all of them. All I can say is sometimes too many cooks spoil the stew, I use only the most pertinent stats and in a way Vegas does not, heavily leaning on Consistency and team strengths, weaknesses and tendencies. This is all without weighing the betting bias the books must take into account and the closer you get to an accurate number the more teasers become an even deadlier tool to break the book.
You raise an interesting point here, but my contention is that not all lines are fungible, meaning they cannot be readily compared to one another. SD as a 6.5 point road dog to the 2013 Broncos was a lot different than a 5.5 line to the 2015 Broncos. I use R myself to present data in ways that are easy to interpret, but I have no developed a system yet. I'm largely still a feel better that is good with coding and has a thing for numbers.
Ex. Inadequate coaching and poor scheme choice can be a huge factor in discovering hidden value in lines. Sticking with the Chargers, Mike McCoy has no sense of game theory. If the game plan doesn't work let Rivers run the offense is basically the charger's philosophy. This can fail miserably against a well-coached & talented defense like the Broncos.
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You raise an interesting point here, but my contention is that not all lines are fungible, meaning they cannot be readily compared to one another. SD as a 6.5 point road dog to the 2013 Broncos was a lot different than a 5.5 line to the 2015 Broncos. I use R myself to present data in ways that are easy to interpret, but I have no developed a system yet. I'm largely still a feel better that is good with coding and has a thing for numbers.
Ex. Inadequate coaching and poor scheme choice can be a huge factor in discovering hidden value in lines. Sticking with the Chargers, Mike McCoy has no sense of game theory. If the game plan doesn't work let Rivers run the offense is basically the charger's philosophy. This can fail miserably against a well-coached & talented defense like the Broncos.
Yes. What I am saying is, what if we threw 1,000 opinions or 10,0000 opinions into a hat, and we were able to weight these opinions based on historical ability, current season ability, correction averages, sport ability, game situation ability, current status - Hot or Cold. Would we be able to come away from the process with the team with the higher probability of covering the spread.
The software is a one of a kind handicapping tracker that keeps stats on the games and stats on the bettors. We calculate avg. upward and downward trend averages so the system knows how long to expect winning and losing streaks to last for each bettor, then users will have the controls to retrieve such information. Meaning, let's say 1,000 people enter opinions. You can view a consensus that contains all opinions on all games that you can then search through by historical ability. So you can isolate all NFL bettors who are between 40 - 49% correct on their picks and just see a consensus that holds their info, or you can filter the consensus in a way that allows you to isolate all bettors in the game pools that are past their avg. upward trend, meaning people mathematically due for a correction downward, let's say that's 15 people out of the 1000, then you can see a consensus for each game that holds just the opinions of those 15 people.
What would you do or how would you feel if you saw ten or more of those 15 on one side of a game? I know what I would do, and I would have math on my side as all 15 of these people are on borrowed time for their win streak.
You will have access to databases of information on teams and bettors themselves and be able to look for spots where let's say a team is due for a correction and it just so happens most of the 57.5% or over bettors in the sport are also on that correction. We are looking for situations where probability is on our side to win and trying to line up these situation as they tend to bettors and teams cause then we exponentially increase the probability of winning.
It's really gonna be a one of a kind community. The only cost to it will be your opinion, everything else will be free access to a half dozen different tools and all the consensus filters.
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Yes. What I am saying is, what if we threw 1,000 opinions or 10,0000 opinions into a hat, and we were able to weight these opinions based on historical ability, current season ability, correction averages, sport ability, game situation ability, current status - Hot or Cold. Would we be able to come away from the process with the team with the higher probability of covering the spread.
The software is a one of a kind handicapping tracker that keeps stats on the games and stats on the bettors. We calculate avg. upward and downward trend averages so the system knows how long to expect winning and losing streaks to last for each bettor, then users will have the controls to retrieve such information. Meaning, let's say 1,000 people enter opinions. You can view a consensus that contains all opinions on all games that you can then search through by historical ability. So you can isolate all NFL bettors who are between 40 - 49% correct on their picks and just see a consensus that holds their info, or you can filter the consensus in a way that allows you to isolate all bettors in the game pools that are past their avg. upward trend, meaning people mathematically due for a correction downward, let's say that's 15 people out of the 1000, then you can see a consensus for each game that holds just the opinions of those 15 people.
What would you do or how would you feel if you saw ten or more of those 15 on one side of a game? I know what I would do, and I would have math on my side as all 15 of these people are on borrowed time for their win streak.
You will have access to databases of information on teams and bettors themselves and be able to look for spots where let's say a team is due for a correction and it just so happens most of the 57.5% or over bettors in the sport are also on that correction. We are looking for situations where probability is on our side to win and trying to line up these situation as they tend to bettors and teams cause then we exponentially increase the probability of winning.
It's really gonna be a one of a kind community. The only cost to it will be your opinion, everything else will be free access to a half dozen different tools and all the consensus filters.
I'd like to see this thing in action, I am curious to see how long the "average" streak is. Tho they can vary greatly so I'm not sure how much use that may be
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I'd like to see this thing in action, I am curious to see how long the "average" streak is. Tho they can vary greatly so I'm not sure how much use that may be
That's why an avg. is computed for each individual bettor. Someone with a downward trend avg. of 7.2 and another with an avg. of 9.1 can both be over their averages at the same time.
This is going to be the first comprehensive, complete, public tracker where those who submit opinions into it are permitted use of the many tools it offers for research.
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That's why an avg. is computed for each individual bettor. Someone with a downward trend avg. of 7.2 and another with an avg. of 9.1 can both be over their averages at the same time.
This is going to be the first comprehensive, complete, public tracker where those who submit opinions into it are permitted use of the many tools it offers for research.
A lot of people are leery about the registration. Make up a name and address, I don't care. All that matters is you enter your opinion on sports. It's somewhere for bettors to plug themselves into. Especially anyone who needs a life line.
And your current routine is still part of it, I still want you to do whatever it is you do before deciding to put money behind a selection, but instead of betting on it I want you to enter it into the tracker and just wait, when game time approaches research the betting pool and see who do your peers have? Who do the hottest people in the community have? Who do the coldest have in the game? How do those due for a correction statistically fair in the game?
Using this filterable consensus you are going to know how exactly every demographic of bettor fairs in the game. You will have a complete psychological breakdown of the betting pool. That will point to the team the system thinks has the higher probability of winning. You take that answer and you go to the trend query and look up the teams ATS record in the game situation to see where they are in their streak timeline. Just starting one? Middle of one? End of one? Or on borrowed time? You hope to get a match somewhere. You then look at the streak tables and see if the team itself is on there or its opponent. If one of them is, you hope you get a match there as well. If you do, you have a team with a very high probability pf winning, so says the software.
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A lot of people are leery about the registration. Make up a name and address, I don't care. All that matters is you enter your opinion on sports. It's somewhere for bettors to plug themselves into. Especially anyone who needs a life line.
And your current routine is still part of it, I still want you to do whatever it is you do before deciding to put money behind a selection, but instead of betting on it I want you to enter it into the tracker and just wait, when game time approaches research the betting pool and see who do your peers have? Who do the hottest people in the community have? Who do the coldest have in the game? How do those due for a correction statistically fair in the game?
Using this filterable consensus you are going to know how exactly every demographic of bettor fairs in the game. You will have a complete psychological breakdown of the betting pool. That will point to the team the system thinks has the higher probability of winning. You take that answer and you go to the trend query and look up the teams ATS record in the game situation to see where they are in their streak timeline. Just starting one? Middle of one? End of one? Or on borrowed time? You hope to get a match somewhere. You then look at the streak tables and see if the team itself is on there or its opponent. If one of them is, you hope you get a match there as well. If you do, you have a team with a very high probability pf winning, so says the software.
I think this software would get faster results on mlb, nhl or nba. Every single day there's games, and quite a few.
The nfl only 17 weeks, 16 games per team. How long is a hot or cold streak when betting on nfl? Maybe your software only finds a few matches the whole season.
GL
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I think this software would get faster results on mlb, nhl or nba. Every single day there's games, and quite a few.
The nfl only 17 weeks, 16 games per team. How long is a hot or cold streak when betting on nfl? Maybe your software only finds a few matches the whole season.
Yes, the everyday sports will compile stats faster. In the NFL and in COL Football streaks in certain situations will lost more than a season and sometimes even two. That's why I've entered the last three seasons of NFL into the database so we are not starting from zero.
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Quote Originally Posted by TonyTotals:
Yes, the everyday sports will compile stats faster. In the NFL and in COL Football streaks in certain situations will lost more than a season and sometimes even two. That's why I've entered the last three seasons of NFL into the database so we are not starting from zero.
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