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    power ratings July 11

    Indigo999
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    Indigo999
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2018 - 10:44 PM ET #1

    My power rating as of now. 

    I am certainly NOT the be-all and end-all in WNBA hoops....many fine handicappers here and the quality of people in the WNBA is, in my opinion the highest of any of the covers' forums.  I like writing down my thoughts as it crystallizes things and helps me with my handicapping.

    This is to stimulate discussion and thought into this betting arena....there will be teams and rankings that you will disagree with, that is almost a certainty.  A different opinion from yours should not be considered  a personal attack on what you hold as your relality.

    1)  Seattle 94   I don't know if I make them the most likely team to win the title this year, as I am not convinced this team is built to win in the playoffs, but right now they are the best team.  Because Jewel Lloyd seems to disapear for huge stretches of time and Brianna I don't know how good she is in crunch time, I am a bit uneasy with this team.  Their new big has been a lifesaver for them and Sue Bird makes playing on this team a joy if you like to put the ball in the basket.

    2)  Lynx  93  They are coming back,....Maya Moore is playing much better.  Their inside game is not as dominant as it was, but this team loves to win and they have lunchpail types that do the dirty work to win games.  The rest of the league is better and they have come off a championship winning season hangover.  They are dangerous.

    3)  Sparks 93  Candace Parker is up and down and the rest of the team differs to her.  Alana Beard is a rotweiler on defense and it makes the Sparks dangerous that she can lock down on  a Sue Bird, Jewell Lloyd or Maya Moore if the situation demands it.  The other guards for them can be great or team wreckers depending on the day.

    4)  Dream 92  They just destroyed the Mystics, and maybe I have this team too high.  But, they are sooo impressive sometimes, big, athletic, good and willing defenders, the top rated defensive team in the league....Angel is the BIG wildcard for this team.   I wouldn't play her at all, I'd cut her, and when she goes into crybaby mode she sulks and she hurts the rest of the team, A LOT.  Super-talented, she is the DeMarcus Cousins of the W, I wonder what her teammates think about playing with her.  I'd give the team to Hayes and Sykes as when things go bad for them, they try harder, not less so.  This team could beat some teams that are seeded higher in the playoffs, if they even make the playoffs as with the Aces it is not out of the realm of possibility that Las Vegas catches and passes them.

    5)  Wings  91   They are young and put forth huge efforts...they do dumb things like a young team will....but Skylar goes at the bucket A LOT which I love,...make the officials call fouls and then she shoots a ton of free throws.  More players should do what she does.  They seem to shoot lots of three, which you'll have to live and die with.

     

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    My power rating as of now. 

    I am certainly NOT the be-all and end-all in WNBA hoops....many fine handicappers here and the quality of people in the WNBA is, in my opinion the highest of any of the covers' forums.  I like writing down my thoughts as it crystallizes things and helps me with my handicapping.

    This is to stimulate discussion and thought into this betting arena....there will be teams and rankings that you will disagree with, that is almost a certainty.  A different opinion from yours should not be considered  a personal attack on what you hold as your relality.

    1)  Seattle 94   I don't know if I make them the most likely team to win the title this year, as I am not convinced this team is built to win in the playoffs, but right now they are the best team.  Because Jewel Lloyd seems to disapear for huge stretches of time and Brianna I don't know how good she is in crunch time, I am a bit uneasy with this team.  Their new big has been a lifesaver for them and Sue Bird makes playing on this team a joy if you like to put the ball in the basket.

    2)  Lynx  93  They are coming back,....Maya Moore is playing much better.  Their inside game is not as dominant as it was, but this team loves to win and they have lunchpail types that do the dirty work to win games.  The rest of the league is better and they have come off a championship winning season hangover.  They are dangerous.

    3)  Sparks 93  Candace Parker is up and down and the rest of the team differs to her.  Alana Beard is a rotweiler on defense and it makes the Sparks dangerous that she can lock down on  a Sue Bird, Jewell Lloyd or Maya Moore if the situation demands it.  The other guards for them can be great or team wreckers depending on the day.

    4)  Dream 92  They just destroyed the Mystics, and maybe I have this team too high.  But, they are sooo impressive sometimes, big, athletic, good and willing defenders, the top rated defensive team in the league....Angel is the BIG wildcard for this team.   I wouldn't play her at all, I'd cut her, and when she goes into crybaby mode she sulks and she hurts the rest of the team, A LOT.  Super-talented, she is the DeMarcus Cousins of the W, I wonder what her teammates think about playing with her.  I'd give the team to Hayes and Sykes as when things go bad for them, they try harder, not less so.  This team could beat some teams that are seeded higher in the playoffs, if they even make the playoffs as with the Aces it is not out of the realm of possibility that Las Vegas catches and passes them.

    5)  Wings  91   They are young and put forth huge efforts...they do dumb things like a young team will....but Skylar goes at the bucket A LOT which I love,...make the officials call fouls and then she shoots a ton of free throws.  More players should do what she does.  They seem to shoot lots of three, which you'll have to live and die with.

     

     
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    6)  Mystics  90   I don't like this team much and of course they just got their butts handed to them.  Kristi Tolliver is pretty fun to watch, but I don't think they play enough defense and or rebound to match their abilities.   They play pretty ball and sometimes you have to win ugly, which I don't know if they're capable of.

    7)  Sun 90    Their coach plays too many players and the wrong ones.....sit Banham, Stricklen and Laney down, put Jonquel Jones out at the three point line and let Thomas and  Ogwumike work in the paint.  I liked Miller for a long time, as he gets his players to play hard and to share the ball, but it is far easier to get a bad team to average than taking an average team to championship  level.  Now that Alyssa  is back they can be dangerous,........pay someone a lot of money to teach Thomas how to shoot, like me.

    8)  Mercury 89   Like a few others here, I don't think they'll do much the rest of the way....it's a toss up between the Mercury and Dream of who the biggest Jeckyl and Hyde team is in the W.

    9)  Aces 89   They are coming on, as the Bill Laimbeer factor is taking effect.  Lovely now to have this team getting points, you're reasonably sure that they'll outwork and out-defense their opponents, Kelsey Plum has gone from below average to an average guard now....I would think the Moriah Jefferson would get some of her minutes as she gets back in the groove.  A'Ja is probably already the best big in the W.  They are not very athletic besides her, but they do what teams with good coaches do...they overachieve.

    10)  Sky 87  This team has some serious talent, but can't be depended on.  Coaching is an issue, they can be fun to watch.  I'd expect that if they retain the coach (which if I am the GM, she's gone after this year) that they'll part ways with Vandersloot and Quigley within the next year.

    11)  Liberty 87  What a difference a year makes....Kia Stokes should not  be in the league, they don't play defense or play with intensity this year.  They'll have to find a coach.

    12)  86  Fever    Young team with talent....I don't see how Pokey Chapman keeps getting pro coaching jobs.

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    6)  Mystics  90   I don't like this team much and of course they just got their butts handed to them.  Kristi Tolliver is pretty fun to watch, but I don't think they play enough defense and or rebound to match their abilities.   They play pretty ball and sometimes you have to win ugly, which I don't know if they're capable of.

    7)  Sun 90    Their coach plays too many players and the wrong ones.....sit Banham, Stricklen and Laney down, put Jonquel Jones out at the three point line and let Thomas and  Ogwumike work in the paint.  I liked Miller for a long time, as he gets his players to play hard and to share the ball, but it is far easier to get a bad team to average than taking an average team to championship  level.  Now that Alyssa  is back they can be dangerous,........pay someone a lot of money to teach Thomas how to shoot, like me.

    8)  Mercury 89   Like a few others here, I don't think they'll do much the rest of the way....it's a toss up between the Mercury and Dream of who the biggest Jeckyl and Hyde team is in the W.

    9)  Aces 89   They are coming on, as the Bill Laimbeer factor is taking effect.  Lovely now to have this team getting points, you're reasonably sure that they'll outwork and out-defense their opponents, Kelsey Plum has gone from below average to an average guard now....I would think the Moriah Jefferson would get some of her minutes as she gets back in the groove.  A'Ja is probably already the best big in the W.  They are not very athletic besides her, but they do what teams with good coaches do...they overachieve.

    10)  Sky 87  This team has some serious talent, but can't be depended on.  Coaching is an issue, they can be fun to watch.  I'd expect that if they retain the coach (which if I am the GM, she's gone after this year) that they'll part ways with Vandersloot and Quigley within the next year.

    11)  Liberty 87  What a difference a year makes....Kia Stokes should not  be in the league, they don't play defense or play with intensity this year.  They'll have to find a coach.

    12)  86  Fever    Young team with talent....I don't see how Pokey Chapman keeps getting pro coaching jobs.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2018 - 11:51 PM ET #3

    im high on the dream now that they have bentley and got rid of that slowpoke clarendon.  maybe not as high as you but i can see them make anice run the rest of the way.  sun got outchoached by katie smith yesterday down the stretch.  lmao.  i caan see another first game exit again.  if they even make the playoffs.  

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    im high on the dream now that they have bentley and got rid of that slowpoke clarendon.  maybe not as high as you but i can see them make anice run the rest of the way.  sun got outchoached by katie smith yesterday down the stretch.  lmao.  i caan see another first game exit again.  if they even make the playoffs.  

     
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    great read, thanks Indigo...it would be nice to see how the playoff seeding and schedules will work this year as that will have an impact on how teams play coming down the stretch...from what I remember the top 2 teams get a double bye and the lower teams are single elimination... which I despise as it should be best 2 out of 3

    best of luck
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    great read, thanks Indigo...it would be nice to see how the playoff seeding and schedules will work this year as that will have an impact on how teams play coming down the stretch...from what I remember the top 2 teams get a double bye and the lower teams are single elimination... which I despise as it should be best 2 out of 3

    best of luck
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightWagers:

    great read, thanks Indigo...it would be nice to see how the playoff seeding and schedules will work this year as that will have an impact on how teams play coming down the stretch...from what I remember the top 2 teams get a double bye and the lower teams are single elimination... which I despise as it should be best 2 out of 3

    best of luck

    First round (single elimination)
    5 vs 8
    6 vs 7

    Second round (single elimination)
    3rd seed plays the lowest seed winner from the first round
    4th seed plays the other winner of the first round.

    Third round (5 game series)
    1st seed plays the lowest seed winner from 2nd round.
    2nd seed plays the other winner from 2nd round

    Fourth round (5 game series)
    WNBA Finals. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightWagers:

    great read, thanks Indigo...it would be nice to see how the playoff seeding and schedules will work this year as that will have an impact on how teams play coming down the stretch...from what I remember the top 2 teams get a double bye and the lower teams are single elimination... which I despise as it should be best 2 out of 3

    best of luck

    First round (single elimination)
    5 vs 8
    6 vs 7

    Second round (single elimination)
    3rd seed plays the lowest seed winner from the first round
    4th seed plays the other winner of the first round.

    Third round (5 game series)
    1st seed plays the lowest seed winner from 2nd round.
    2nd seed plays the other winner from 2nd round

    Fourth round (5 game series)
    WNBA Finals. 
     
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    Nice read Indigo as usual mate. 

    I won't even mention the Fever in my PR's because they are just awful and you know they are awful when they have to reach out for Cappie to come join them. She is washed up and has been horrible for almost 2 years now. Time for her to retire. We are talking wins here, not ATS wins for us bettors. They will be lucky to win 7 games all season which is pathetic. 

    I don't have numbers so to speak like you do but will give my valid input.

    Lynx
    You can never rule this team out and just like GSW, if they do not finish top seed, as long as they finish top 4 they have a great shot. Depth has been an issue this season but tonight they just signed Larkins to a 7 day roster and I expect that to be extended if they can see how healthy she is. She suffered an injury overseas this year hence why she has been held back but she just adds another big off the bench when Sylvia needs a rest. Come playoff time, we don't see many mins from the bench apart from maybe 2-3 benchies and the Lynx have those now in place with Larkins and Robinson. Whalen looks to be finally settling into her 2 new gigs, player and coach really. 

    Sparks
    Top 4 finish coming their way. Why? Because they are well coached and have the players and talent. Parker looks lost at times but as long as Nneka is suiting up, they have every chance moving forward. They should finish top 4 as well given the fact that they can really win anywhere in this league if their mind is on the job. Good bench and great starting 5.

    Mercury
    You cant replace Sancho. Im sorry you just cant unless they bring someone in now. DT is hot and cold, their bench is terrible apart from Leilani Mitchell and BG is soft as tissues at times and just gets man handled by other bigs that are 330 pounds heavier then her. Bonner is back this season and its another player to get some points but the other Little (Camille) is a liability and they should be starting Yvonne Turner but anyways, I think they drop big time now and teams will be swooping on them.

    Sun
    Schedule is on their side. Williams and Thomas back and last night was a teething game  having these 2 players back. Personally have them finishing top 4 because they have 2 of the best inside players in the league and once Williams and Thomas get back to themselves, they will push hard and with 10 games at home from the last 14, look for a big finish to the season.

    Dream
    Yes yes they scored 100+ against the Mystics but looking back, I shouldn't have taken the Mystics because they just came back from the West and then played a day game against the Dream. They still have liabilities on offense and they can grind games out with their defense but against good opposition they will fall away. They suck on the road most season and their schedule doesn't get much easier 

    Wings
    They are my big underdogs this season and if they can keep pushing like they have recently, they will be a massive threat with Cambage inside. Personally she is in the top 3 of the world in her position. Skylar is carrying the team as well and she has enough experience now to play at this level consistently. Gray is a bit of a liability of late but as long as Glory Johnson plays as well, they have a chance every game. 

    Storm
    I agree with you, Loyd cannot be trusted to show up but this season is different. They have the other players that can step up if she is having a poor night. Bird and Stewart are a great combination and Canada is a great surprise off the bench. If they can hold down 1st seed they will defintely have a great chance of winning this league this season because they have the coach, players and talent to do so. They just need to hold down 1st spot if possible because home court is so important.

    Mystics
    Young Atkins is fantastic and deserves ROY so far. EDD will always be a threat but Toliver is the liability. Shows up once every 3-4 games, goes missing in action some nights and isn't a great defender. Their bench looks decent on paper but has been really poor of late. I think with their schedule they begin to fall away now and finish 5-8th position because they have plenty of road games coming up and they wasted their chance of having a good season by not being brutal at home.


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    Nice read Indigo as usual mate. 

    I won't even mention the Fever in my PR's because they are just awful and you know they are awful when they have to reach out for Cappie to come join them. She is washed up and has been horrible for almost 2 years now. Time for her to retire. We are talking wins here, not ATS wins for us bettors. They will be lucky to win 7 games all season which is pathetic. 

    I don't have numbers so to speak like you do but will give my valid input.

    Lynx
    You can never rule this team out and just like GSW, if they do not finish top seed, as long as they finish top 4 they have a great shot. Depth has been an issue this season but tonight they just signed Larkins to a 7 day roster and I expect that to be extended if they can see how healthy she is. She suffered an injury overseas this year hence why she has been held back but she just adds another big off the bench when Sylvia needs a rest. Come playoff time, we don't see many mins from the bench apart from maybe 2-3 benchies and the Lynx have those now in place with Larkins and Robinson. Whalen looks to be finally settling into her 2 new gigs, player and coach really. 

    Sparks
    Top 4 finish coming their way. Why? Because they are well coached and have the players and talent. Parker looks lost at times but as long as Nneka is suiting up, they have every chance moving forward. They should finish top 4 as well given the fact that they can really win anywhere in this league if their mind is on the job. Good bench and great starting 5.

    Mercury
    You cant replace Sancho. Im sorry you just cant unless they bring someone in now. DT is hot and cold, their bench is terrible apart from Leilani Mitchell and BG is soft as tissues at times and just gets man handled by other bigs that are 330 pounds heavier then her. Bonner is back this season and its another player to get some points but the other Little (Camille) is a liability and they should be starting Yvonne Turner but anyways, I think they drop big time now and teams will be swooping on them.

    Sun
    Schedule is on their side. Williams and Thomas back and last night was a teething game  having these 2 players back. Personally have them finishing top 4 because they have 2 of the best inside players in the league and once Williams and Thomas get back to themselves, they will push hard and with 10 games at home from the last 14, look for a big finish to the season.

    Dream
    Yes yes they scored 100+ against the Mystics but looking back, I shouldn't have taken the Mystics because they just came back from the West and then played a day game against the Dream. They still have liabilities on offense and they can grind games out with their defense but against good opposition they will fall away. They suck on the road most season and their schedule doesn't get much easier 

    Wings
    They are my big underdogs this season and if they can keep pushing like they have recently, they will be a massive threat with Cambage inside. Personally she is in the top 3 of the world in her position. Skylar is carrying the team as well and she has enough experience now to play at this level consistently. Gray is a bit of a liability of late but as long as Glory Johnson plays as well, they have a chance every game. 

    Storm
    I agree with you, Loyd cannot be trusted to show up but this season is different. They have the other players that can step up if she is having a poor night. Bird and Stewart are a great combination and Canada is a great surprise off the bench. If they can hold down 1st seed they will defintely have a great chance of winning this league this season because they have the coach, players and talent to do so. They just need to hold down 1st spot if possible because home court is so important.

    Mystics
    Young Atkins is fantastic and deserves ROY so far. EDD will always be a threat but Toliver is the liability. Shows up once every 3-4 games, goes missing in action some nights and isn't a great defender. Their bench looks decent on paper but has been really poor of late. I think with their schedule they begin to fall away now and finish 5-8th position because they have plenty of road games coming up and they wasted their chance of having a good season by not being brutal at home.


     
    Indigo999
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2018 - 8:41 AM ET #8

    Thanks for the feedback guys, lovin' it.

    I have a futures play on Seattle at 16.667 to 1 to win the title, bought after they destroyed LA in Los Angeles by 35.

    My sportsbook is offering me a 2 to 1 payday to cash out right now.  They do go on the road for a long road trip coming up, but my inclination is to see if they get number 1 or 2 seed...if that eventuates the odds of them winning it will shorten and my book's offer will improve.

    I have another title  future on the Sun, but they are, as Ricky said, more likely to miss the playoffs than win the title.

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    Thanks for the feedback guys, lovin' it.

    I have a futures play on Seattle at 16.667 to 1 to win the title, bought after they destroyed LA in Los Angeles by 35.

    My sportsbook is offering me a 2 to 1 payday to cash out right now.  They do go on the road for a long road trip coming up, but my inclination is to see if they get number 1 or 2 seed...if that eventuates the odds of them winning it will shorten and my book's offer will improve.

    I have another title  future on the Sun, but they are, as Ricky said, more likely to miss the playoffs than win the title.

     
     
    Casey163
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    Posted: Jul. 12, 2018 - 3:38 PM ET #9

    Nice write up, Indigo.
     
    I have :

    1. Lynx
    2. Sparks
    3. Storm
    4. Merc
    5. Wings
    6. Mystic
    7. Sun
    8. Dream
    9. Aces
    10.  Sky
    11. Lib
    12. Fever

    As much as it pained me to put Minn #1, they've been playing as well as anyone and you can attribute their last 2 losses as a look-ahead/let-down game from their LA Sparks victory.
    Def not as high on ATL, but they have been playing good too, and finally are injury free, so they look to continue to be hot. 
    These are from Monday, so I will prob drop Phx down, even though DT only played a few minutes vs. Dallas (not sure if that is a good or bad thing for Phx). 
    Lastly, hopefully Conn get and their heads out of their fools and pull it together... Not sure how you start so hot, then just completely fall a part.  They're FINALLY healthy, but still somehow managed to lose to NYL.  If that game was played in Week 2, they would've won by 35.  Don't know what their deal is. 
    Anyway, good Luck!
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    Nice write up, Indigo.
     
    I have :

    1. Lynx
    2. Sparks
    3. Storm
    4. Merc
    5. Wings
    6. Mystic
    7. Sun
    8. Dream
    9. Aces
    10.  Sky
    11. Lib
    12. Fever

    As much as it pained me to put Minn #1, they've been playing as well as anyone and you can attribute their last 2 losses as a look-ahead/let-down game from their LA Sparks victory.
    Def not as high on ATL, but they have been playing good too, and finally are injury free, so they look to continue to be hot. 
    These are from Monday, so I will prob drop Phx down, even though DT only played a few minutes vs. Dallas (not sure if that is a good or bad thing for Phx). 
    Lastly, hopefully Conn get and their heads out of their fools and pull it together... Not sure how you start so hot, then just completely fall a part.  They're FINALLY healthy, but still somehow managed to lose to NYL.  If that game was played in Week 2, they would've won by 35.  Don't know what their deal is. 
    Anyway, good Luck!
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