WNFs: Beware the home-court Warrior (pun intended) here. I'll be playing #75, DT for the Pittsburgh Stillers. & DS is not much, though he is a natural Lt.Heavy coming down for this one, but he's only beaten 2 guys w/ winning rec's on 17 Pro bouts.
LA I kinda like here, but FP may be auditioning for Warriors. FP is perfect, though he's never faced any1 worth anything. Not sure yet on this one.
Vs.: I like Tye (as a fan). But is he for real? I doubt DJ gives us an answer. He's too small, & he does not step up well. Tye is also a Lefty, you know I dig that. I presume Flores is still on the card, but is he still fighting whomever?
FNF's: Tough to have more Experience than RC has. Cab Calloway might be the only Calloway w/ more. ; )
Tough call here, 2 re-treds, & RC has been icing people, but he's been icing Cruisers, not Heavy's. TS has a decent Chin, has some Experience himself, & I'm not sure what else? Though I am sure this is not a must-see kinda main-event. Unless you dearly love the sweet-science. HBO: VERY conspicuous to see the Johnny Gonzalez odds in free fall, a drop of -1100 if you are keeping score at home. You guys know I'm on my boy DPDL. Kan't go against him here. I respect RB, but he can taste the canvas, & he has a bit of a dirty rep to me.
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WNFs: Beware the home-court Warrior (pun intended) here. I'll be playing #75, DT for the Pittsburgh Stillers. & DS is not much, though he is a natural Lt.Heavy coming down for this one, but he's only beaten 2 guys w/ winning rec's on 17 Pro bouts.
LA I kinda like here, but FP may be auditioning for Warriors. FP is perfect, though he's never faced any1 worth anything. Not sure yet on this one.
Vs.: I like Tye (as a fan). But is he for real? I doubt DJ gives us an answer. He's too small, & he does not step up well. Tye is also a Lefty, you know I dig that. I presume Flores is still on the card, but is he still fighting whomever?
FNF's: Tough to have more Experience than RC has. Cab Calloway might be the only Calloway w/ more. ; )
Tough call here, 2 re-treds, & RC has been icing people, but he's been icing Cruisers, not Heavy's. TS has a decent Chin, has some Experience himself, & I'm not sure what else? Though I am sure this is not a must-see kinda main-event. Unless you dearly love the sweet-science. HBO: VERY conspicuous to see the Johnny Gonzalez odds in free fall, a drop of -1100 if you are keeping score at home. You guys know I'm on my boy DPDL. Kan't go against him here. I respect RB, but he can taste the canvas, & he has a bit of a dirty rep to me.
Like RM as well. One of my more likable, but a little bit unhearleded fighters on the U.Card. Not real sure on LA vs. FP. LA took a few years off, & that's never a good sign. LA is pretty compact/stalky, hence his Voltage edge. FP has never gone past the 18 minute mark. LA does have a major Resume` edge, & a more than 2:1 Experience advantage too boot. I'll throw LA into a parlay, but only for a min.
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Like RM as well. One of my more likable, but a little bit unhearleded fighters on the U.Card. Not real sure on LA vs. FP. LA took a few years off, & that's never a good sign. LA is pretty compact/stalky, hence his Voltage edge. FP has never gone past the 18 minute mark. LA does have a major Resume` edge, & a more than 2:1 Experience advantage too boot. I'll throw LA into a parlay, but only for a min.
Bodog opened with the o/u at 9.5 in the Greene fight. Under at -155. In about an hour, it moved to -185. Very odd to see the big discrepancy on the listed total.
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Bodog opened with the o/u at 9.5 in the Greene fight. Under at -155. In about an hour, it moved to -185. Very odd to see the big discrepancy on the listed total.
I see what you mean perricm, good looking out bro. That is odd. It's a 12 Rounder, I'm sure of this. Has to be 12, as it's for an NABA Strap. Reads like five$0.10 does not know this! Gotta like their UP for it.
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I see what you mean perricm, good looking out bro. That is odd. It's a 12 Rounder, I'm sure of this. Has to be 12, as it's for an NABA Strap. Reads like five$0.10 does not know this! Gotta like their UP for it.
Got 1 parlay thru, one blown up on the Francisco upset, (textbook upper & then the very rare left-hook to the left side of the face). PROPs to any FP backers.
Tye has cut 13 lbs. for 2nite's possible Hasim Vegas-Title audition on Vs. That's a good sign, as Fields still has a 46 lb. Weight edge, but he's in good-shape for it.
Both Clottey outcome Props pay well. I like Josh here. Flores is fairly tough & durable, could make for an UP or a Josh by Decision side.
Not sure on the ESPN2 line? RC might be worth a sniff at nearly 5:1, I did not expect that line to be that high. I gonna get the Toledo Results 1st, b/c I wanna see if RC has added weight for this match-up.
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Got 1 parlay thru, one blown up on the Francisco upset, (textbook upper & then the very rare left-hook to the left side of the face). PROPs to any FP backers.
Tye has cut 13 lbs. for 2nite's possible Hasim Vegas-Title audition on Vs. That's a good sign, as Fields still has a 46 lb. Weight edge, but he's in good-shape for it.
Both Clottey outcome Props pay well. I like Josh here. Flores is fairly tough & durable, could make for an UP or a Josh by Decision side.
Not sure on the ESPN2 line? RC might be worth a sniff at nearly 5:1, I did not expect that line to be that high. I gonna get the Toledo Results 1st, b/c I wanna see if RC has added weight for this match-up.
I have been out of the loop guys, didn't even get to see any odds on last night's WNF card. I had to attend a dinner function with the wife after work and got home as they were announcing MJG as the winner, that would have been a sure fire under bet for me. What were the odds on the Azille fight? Did they offer an O/U for the Marquez bout? You had to know he would get rid of the ancient Pina.
Looking at what I want to do tonight.
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I have been out of the loop guys, didn't even get to see any odds on last night's WNF card. I had to attend a dinner function with the wife after work and got home as they were announcing MJG as the winner, that would have been a sure fire under bet for me. What were the odds on the Azille fight? Did they offer an O/U for the Marquez bout? You had to know he would get rid of the ancient Pina.
All plays and units wagered posted 2006 Results (March-July): +19.2 units (+$1,920)
Last Week: -.88 of a unit
2007 to date: +8.86 units (+$886)
Hard to believe that Jenkins can last 7 with Fields when he stopped by highly skilled, but light hitting mini heavy Chambers in 5 rounds.
I'm with you Bigeiii, I think Clottey wins a decision tonight. Clottey is not a one punch KO guy and he did have hand problems in his last two bouts; major ones in the Margarito fight. Flores is durable minus the fluky Corley KO.
.90 of a unit on under 6.5 rounds (-180) in Fields-Jenkins 1 unit on Clottey by 10 round decision (+109)
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All plays and units wagered posted 2006 Results (March-July): +19.2 units (+$1,920)
Last Week: -.88 of a unit
2007 to date: +8.86 units (+$886)
Hard to believe that Jenkins can last 7 with Fields when he stopped by highly skilled, but light hitting mini heavy Chambers in 5 rounds.
I'm with you Bigeiii, I think Clottey wins a decision tonight. Clottey is not a one punch KO guy and he did have hand problems in his last two bouts; major ones in the Margarito fight. Flores is durable minus the fluky Corley KO.
.90 of a unit on under 6.5 rounds (-180) in Fields-Jenkins 1 unit on Clottey by 10 round decision (+109)
.90 of a unit on under 6.5 rounds (-180) in Fields-Jenkins 1 unit on Clottey by 10 round decision (+109)
Jenkins looked ready to quit the last 3 rounds and it finally happened 1:30 too late. His corner must have had a few bucks on the over. Fields better just keep fighting club guys, as long as Rahman is below 300 lbs he should knock out Tye. The guy is so sloppy and hittable it's rediculous. Releford would have knocked him out last time on Versus if he would have had any power at all. Clottey looked as good in a stay busy bout, I really like Clottey's hand speed. I may be in the minority, but I would like to see him fight Margarito again. Tiny profit tonight.
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.90 of a unit on under 6.5 rounds (-180) in Fields-Jenkins 1 unit on Clottey by 10 round decision (+109)
Jenkins looked ready to quit the last 3 rounds and it finally happened 1:30 too late. His corner must have had a few bucks on the over. Fields better just keep fighting club guys, as long as Rahman is below 300 lbs he should knock out Tye. The guy is so sloppy and hittable it's rediculous. Releford would have knocked him out last time on Versus if he would have had any power at all. Clottey looked as good in a stay busy bout, I really like Clottey's hand speed. I may be in the minority, but I would like to see him fight Margarito again. Tiny profit tonight.
Josh has some real live hand-quicks. Dude and be pretty rapid fire on Offense when he wants. But he chops & sometimes nearly slaps w/ his shots. So they don't always get there w/ a lotta intent, though they can get there quickly. I presume he's just trying to protect his mits. But he does have a very impoverished mans F.May.Jr. feel to him re: his hand-speed & fragility.
Tye is almost a carnival act to me. He's huge. He will give you a high work rate. But keeping his hands that low will get him iced by any decent Top-20 Heavy. I wanna see his high workrate go fight Tua. That would be fun. Only hope I might see is a BIGname Trainer stepping in, but I'm not sure the raw skillz are there either? Tye looks like a big ole H.S. kid who tears it up in football on his size, then gets his technique exposed at the next level.
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Josh has some real live hand-quicks. Dude and be pretty rapid fire on Offense when he wants. But he chops & sometimes nearly slaps w/ his shots. So they don't always get there w/ a lotta intent, though they can get there quickly. I presume he's just trying to protect his mits. But he does have a very impoverished mans F.May.Jr. feel to him re: his hand-speed & fragility.
Tye is almost a carnival act to me. He's huge. He will give you a high work rate. But keeping his hands that low will get him iced by any decent Top-20 Heavy. I wanna see his high workrate go fight Tua. That would be fun. Only hope I might see is a BIGname Trainer stepping in, but I'm not sure the raw skillz are there either? Tye looks like a big ole H.S. kid who tears it up in football on his size, then gets his technique exposed at the next level.
I'm (surprisingly) fenced for a 1:6 fave, & a 4:1 dog (opening lines, if Ginko serves). Normally I'd find some nice pallid erasers & clap them for that. But I don't see a Side or a Total I like for FNF's.
Do you??? TIA if you can Fbs.
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I'm (surprisingly) fenced for a 1:6 fave, & a 4:1 dog (opening lines, if Ginko serves). Normally I'd find some nice pallid erasers & clap them for that. But I don't see a Side or a Total I like for FNF's.
Yeah, this main event doesn't do much for me either. I made a value/for kicks bet on Calloway by decision at thegreek. He is fighting on his home turf and has been getting better sparring in. Calloway isn't at much of a level of a club fighter at heavyweight, but I got a feeling he may get the benefit of hometown verdict if he hustles.
.25 of a unit on Calloway by decision (+600) .20 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (+305) in Ornelas-McKart
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Yeah, this main event doesn't do much for me either. I made a value/for kicks bet on Calloway by decision at thegreek. He is fighting on his home turf and has been getting better sparring in. Calloway isn't at much of a level of a club fighter at heavyweight, but I got a feeling he may get the benefit of hometown verdict if he hustles.
.25 of a unit on Calloway by decision (+600) .20 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (+305) in Ornelas-McKart
Fbs: Ok, thx, & I played the same on Cab or whichever Calloway this is.
Why the LOW on Bronc & E.Ornelas Fbs?
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Didn't get the the first part of the post.
The under was a loser, but to answer your question I went with it because Ornelas has a very shaky set of whiskers (see his 3rd round trip to the canvas tonight) and I thought there may be a possibility that McKart's usual sturdy chin may be failing him also.
Also, the 9.5 number at large + odds on the under had been hitting over the last couple of weeks against conventional wisdom. First, Bobo-Davis which I lost on and then last week I cashed on the Concepcion under at near 3-1 odds.
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Fbs: Ok, thx, & I played the same on Cab or whichever Calloway this is.
Why the LOW on Bronc & E.Ornelas Fbs?
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Didn't get the the first part of the post.
The under was a loser, but to answer your question I went with it because Ornelas has a very shaky set of whiskers (see his 3rd round trip to the canvas tonight) and I thought there may be a possibility that McKart's usual sturdy chin may be failing him also.
Also, the 9.5 number at large + odds on the under had been hitting over the last couple of weeks against conventional wisdom. First, Bobo-Davis which I lost on and then last week I cashed on the Concepcion under at near 3-1 odds.
.25 of a unit on Calloway by decision (+600) .20 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (+305) in Ornelas-McKart
I always love hitting a 6-1 dog no matter how small. Scary last round, I felt like my account was about to be hit with a last minute heist. Fight went like I stated above, Calloway simply did more and the last second KD in the 8th definitely helped. Calloway is not much as a heavy, a tad above a club guy, but I would be willing to put him in the top 20 at cruiser which he can easily make. He's a cutesy type guy who has learned a lot of tricks during his long, but less than stellar career.
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.25 of a unit on Calloway by decision (+600) .20 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (+305) in Ornelas-McKart
I always love hitting a 6-1 dog no matter how small. Scary last round, I felt like my account was about to be hit with a last minute heist. Fight went like I stated above, Calloway simply did more and the last second KD in the 8th definitely helped. Calloway is not much as a heavy, a tad above a club guy, but I would be willing to put him in the top 20 at cruiser which he can easily make. He's a cutesy type guy who has learned a lot of tricks during his long, but less than stellar career.
Cab Calloway=BIGtime jazz guy, preWWII, & beyond. The: Minnie the Moucher guy.
Anywho, I sure enjoyed 2nites Calloway & that Decision clinching over-hand Right connect to close the 8th. I had it 7-3 Ro.Cab. But that's really 8-2 for the 10-8 in the 8th on the KD (I did not see what TA saw for a 10-8 1oth for Smith). Maybe human genome gu'ru's can marry Tye & RC & somehow knit enough DNA together to have a legit Top-10 heavy??? RC is somewhere's between a C+ and a B- Heavy. Much closer to the C+ in my book. RC is nice, he can Box a bit, but he needs to drop down to Cruiser, where whatever giga-watt voltage he has might have, has some kinda 1-shot effect. Terry Smith? Welcome to club fighting 101. Travel expenses on you.
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Cab Calloway=BIGtime jazz guy, preWWII, & beyond. The: Minnie the Moucher guy.
Anywho, I sure enjoyed 2nites Calloway & that Decision clinching over-hand Right connect to close the 8th. I had it 7-3 Ro.Cab. But that's really 8-2 for the 10-8 in the 8th on the KD (I did not see what TA saw for a 10-8 1oth for Smith). Maybe human genome gu'ru's can marry Tye & RC & somehow knit enough DNA together to have a legit Top-10 heavy??? RC is somewhere's between a C+ and a B- Heavy. Much closer to the C+ in my book. RC is nice, he can Box a bit, but he needs to drop down to Cruiser, where whatever giga-watt voltage he has might have, has some kinda 1-shot effect. Terry Smith? Welcome to club fighting 101. Travel expenses on you.
You gotta give him credit, he has become the king of the Midwestern white club fighter. Talk about an overachiever. You gotta admire a guy like Calloway who has been at it for so long on a month to month basis fighting for small paydays against guys who are of the same variety or losing to higher caliber guys as an opponent. I hope he gets a decent cash out fight at cruiser. I would think his largest payday came when he made the trip to fight Chagaev in Germany.
Did you do anything else tonight Bigeiii? I know you like chalk, hope you didn't play Ornelas. What do you like tomorrow? I know you are probably going with your man crush and betting DPDL. I can't wait till he gets outboxed again, some think Penalosa did it last time out, those were some strange scores. I don't know if this is the best place for the fade though, Bautista's chin is a major question mark for me after seeing the Medina fight.
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Cheers on Calloway Bigeiii
You gotta give him credit, he has become the king of the Midwestern white club fighter. Talk about an overachiever. You gotta admire a guy like Calloway who has been at it for so long on a month to month basis fighting for small paydays against guys who are of the same variety or losing to higher caliber guys as an opponent. I hope he gets a decent cash out fight at cruiser. I would think his largest payday came when he made the trip to fight Chagaev in Germany.
Did you do anything else tonight Bigeiii? I know you like chalk, hope you didn't play Ornelas. What do you like tomorrow? I know you are probably going with your man crush and betting DPDL. I can't wait till he gets outboxed again, some think Penalosa did it last time out, those were some strange scores. I don't know if this is the best place for the fade though, Bautista's chin is a major question mark for me after seeing the Medina fight.
Yah; you know I'm jocking my boy DPDL. He, Cotto, & La Araña, & I win together, or give the House some chips together. I touched nothing else. Not b/c I'm so good, I just could not match-up a Side to start. Which is where I begin, then I can slide to an Outcome Prop or a Total. I do have Johnny closing something out from last week Parlay wise, & D if he has not gone over like the Hindenberg piggy-backing a trans-Atlantic lift on the Titanic. -1700 to -500 is one of the larger free-falls I've seen. I guess this is a Toledo concern on Johnny. But; I'm n0t real wound up about that. GP is the one climbing up in Wt.Class.
GP is a Lefty, checks in w/ at least a B- quality Chin. But he only fields one quality "W", maybe 2 in my book. Has been beaten stepping up, & his Power seems to have installed a lower fuse in the circuit breaker since 2003. Some1 must see what I don't to bet JG down like this.
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Yah; you know I'm jocking my boy DPDL. He, Cotto, & La Araña, & I win together, or give the House some chips together. I touched nothing else. Not b/c I'm so good, I just could not match-up a Side to start. Which is where I begin, then I can slide to an Outcome Prop or a Total. I do have Johnny closing something out from last week Parlay wise, & D if he has not gone over like the Hindenberg piggy-backing a trans-Atlantic lift on the Titanic. -1700 to -500 is one of the larger free-falls I've seen. I guess this is a Toledo concern on Johnny. But; I'm n0t real wound up about that. GP is the one climbing up in Wt.Class.
GP is a Lefty, checks in w/ at least a B- quality Chin. But he only fields one quality "W", maybe 2 in my book. Has been beaten stepping up, & his Power seems to have installed a lower fuse in the circuit breaker since 2003. Some1 must see what I don't to bet JG down like this.
Yah; you know I'm jocking my boy DPDL. He, Cotto, & La Araña, & I win together, or give the House some chips together. I touched nothing else. Not b/c I'm so good, I just could not match-up a Side to start. Which is where I begin, then I can slide to an Outcome Prop or a Total. I do have Johnny closing something out from last week Parlay wise, & D if he has not gone over like the Hindenberg piggy-backing a trans-Atlantic lift on the Titanic. -1700 to -500 is one of the larger free-falls I've seen. I guess this is a Toledo concern on Johnny. But; I'm n0t real wound up about that. GP is the one climbing up in Wt.Class.
GP is a Lefty, checks in w/ at least a B- quality Chin. But he only fields one quality "W", maybe 2 in my book. Has been beaten stepping up, & his Power seems to have installed a lower fuse in the circuit breaker since 2003. Some1 must see what I don't to bet JG down like this.
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GP is actually coming down from his last bout with DPDL at 122. He hasn't fought at 115 since 2004.
He may have been beaten stepping up like you said, but I saw the 2nd
Cho fight as well as the 2nd Tokuyama fight and I felt he was on the
receiving end of a bad decision in both. I don't know if this is any
indication of his 1st fight against each, but I suspect it may be.
I agree with you that Gonzalez may be fighting the scale a bit. The
odd shift no doubt was because Gonzalez was vastly overpriced. Plus, I
think Penalosa has been getting in some very nice work in at Wild
Card. The one California guy that I talk to occasionally said a couple
of weeks ago that he heard Gerry was looking stellar in the gym and
B'Hop'esque, looking fresh as a daisy at the bantamweight translation
of ancient. Wish I would have hit Penalosa for a bit when he was +800
setting up a no risk upset play.
I challenge anyone to watch his fight with DPDL and try to come up with
the official cards. I don't see how anyone could give DPDL more than 7
rounds unless you are simply awarding points on throwing punches. I
think behind Kid Diamond's gift it ranks as the 2nd worst decision of
the year, not that it was a robbery DPDL won, but instead the way those
scorecards read. That was the first fight I had ever seen where a
fighter who many people felt won was shutout on one scorecard and
119-109'ed on the other two. I had DPDL winning 115-113 and bet on him so you know how that goes, as unbiased as I try to be I always find myself giving a razor thin round to my guy. Watching it a second time I scored it a draw.
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Yah; you know I'm jocking my boy DPDL. He, Cotto, & La Araña, & I win together, or give the House some chips together. I touched nothing else. Not b/c I'm so good, I just could not match-up a Side to start. Which is where I begin, then I can slide to an Outcome Prop or a Total. I do have Johnny closing something out from last week Parlay wise, & D if he has not gone over like the Hindenberg piggy-backing a trans-Atlantic lift on the Titanic. -1700 to -500 is one of the larger free-falls I've seen. I guess this is a Toledo concern on Johnny. But; I'm n0t real wound up about that. GP is the one climbing up in Wt.Class.
GP is a Lefty, checks in w/ at least a B- quality Chin. But he only fields one quality "W", maybe 2 in my book. Has been beaten stepping up, & his Power seems to have installed a lower fuse in the circuit breaker since 2003. Some1 must see what I don't to bet JG down like this.
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GP is actually coming down from his last bout with DPDL at 122. He hasn't fought at 115 since 2004.
He may have been beaten stepping up like you said, but I saw the 2nd
Cho fight as well as the 2nd Tokuyama fight and I felt he was on the
receiving end of a bad decision in both. I don't know if this is any
indication of his 1st fight against each, but I suspect it may be.
I agree with you that Gonzalez may be fighting the scale a bit. The
odd shift no doubt was because Gonzalez was vastly overpriced. Plus, I
think Penalosa has been getting in some very nice work in at Wild
Card. The one California guy that I talk to occasionally said a couple
of weeks ago that he heard Gerry was looking stellar in the gym and
B'Hop'esque, looking fresh as a daisy at the bantamweight translation
of ancient. Wish I would have hit Penalosa for a bit when he was +800
setting up a no risk upset play.
I challenge anyone to watch his fight with DPDL and try to come up with
the official cards. I don't see how anyone could give DPDL more than 7
rounds unless you are simply awarding points on throwing punches. I
think behind Kid Diamond's gift it ranks as the 2nd worst decision of
the year, not that it was a robbery DPDL won, but instead the way those
scorecards read. That was the first fight I had ever seen where a
fighter who many people felt won was shutout on one scorecard and
119-109'ed on the other two. I had DPDL winning 115-113 and bet on him so you know how that goes, as unbiased as I try to be I always find myself giving a razor thin round to my guy. Watching it a second time I scored it a draw.
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