Floyd vs Pac man

does anyone think this will ever happen or is it just a dream

maybe

McNutly,

The question is will Pacquiao ever accept 60/40 and OST?

Look at it like this, Manny is scared of the OST [Olympic Style Testing] because he's scared of being tested…literally and figuratively.

His last real test was in the rematch with Marquez. Juan was on a 4 fight winning streak [and arguably a 19 fight streak depending on how one views the loss to Chris John; many people say it was home cooking. I've only seen clips so I can't really say either way] and hadn't clearly lost to anyone in almost 10 years.

Anyway, if I wasn't so lazy I would dig through my thousands of bookmarks to locate press row [Filipino] scorecards that had Marquez winning the fight. Not only that, lets just say the majority of critics who actually scored the fight are wrong and that Pacquiao really won...it was definitely by the skin of his dick. Too close for comfort. 

Many fighters don't want to have fights like that back to back, shortens longevity. If Manny stuck around at that weight he would surely have to fight Juan again. So I don't really give Manny shit for fighting a soft touch in his next fight, being David Diaz.

So he fights Soft Touch Diaz, STD if you will and his next fight is, yup you called it...another soft touch. How does McNulty get to the idea that Oscar was a soft touch when he fought Pacquiao and was this visible before the fight? To answer the latter, yes it was visible and I will give examples for both.

Oscar started at 135. Imo, 154 was too high a weight for him. He should have stayed at 147. The best guy he beat at 154 was Vargas and it was more of a size issue than talent issue regarding the problems Oscar had in that fight, which were many. Vargas got brought up too quick and was like 22-1. I'm just saying Vargas never reached his full potential. He was good, but not like a dazzling threat imo.

Anyway, Hoya fights old man Campas for the soft touch win, then loses to Mosley...should have lost to Sturm....then gets stopped by Hopkins. So in the time frame of 5 fights, Oscar took a marginal amount of damage in 4 of those also being at higher weights than he's used to.

Good trainers know a fighter can take so many punches so one only had to follow Hoya's career to see its coming to a close. If you look at most elite fighters career's, the life span is about 14-16 years and Oscar's 14 year mark was against Mayorga. You'll see guys like Ali and stuff fighting 20 years, but the last 4 years he shouldn't have been fighting. With Oscar taking a bunch of damage right at the end of when a boxing career should be ending anyway...I mean its pretty clear, no?

So...after Hopkins, Oscar knew he was in trouble and didn't take a fight for almost 2 years. The return bout was against Mayorga whom he dispatched rather well. But this is Mayorga though...27-5. In 2007 Mayweather had been making a lot of noise and Oscar knew his time was closing and this fight will sell BIG...the biggest actually. With the biggest stars at GBP [Hoya, Mosley, Hopkins] coming to an anticipated close in their careers, Oscar needed the revenue big time. I remember reading articles literally saying that he thought Mosley and Hopkins [he was to retire after Tarver, promised him mom remember?] would be retiring soon and needed to keep fighting as long as he could to keep GBP secure in its future. There was no way Oscar could pass this up...its to be his swan song. Which it was in a certain way...just not the way he anticipated. Oscar had every advantage possible in that fight too.

The only way a split decision popped off against Mayweather was because he bought that ahead of time. Anyone that saw that fight and knows how to score boxing would have given Oscar 3 rounds...4 max. Oscar had a ton of advantages in that fight, gloves, ringsize, weight [Floyd weighed 150, Hoya 154]...plus the variable of Mayweather being too far removed from his natural weight, etc. The moon was in line with the sun that night for Hoya. I'm trying to establish that Oscar has every advantage in the book and still couldn't get the win. Its getting more and more obvious to him its time to hang them up.

Enter pretender Steve Forbes. Yeah it was a year lay off and I actually thought for a second that was why Oscar looked like total shit against Forbes. Forbes couldn't miss. I still can't figure out why he didn't go for broke [maybe it was like when Alex Stewart's corner kept telling him to not knock Foreman out…who knows]. But I also thought...this is what done looks like. Freddy finds flaws and if I'm seeing it, Freddy is seeing it. He does his research and knows when the timing is right. Freddy knows his shit. Then the reports from the Valero sparring sessions, several reports of Oscar having stamina and etc issues in camp, then the markings on his arm from rehydration...I may have missed some of the finer points but what I'm trying to get at is Freddy knew Hoya was ripe…ahead of time. Plus its the biggest fight of their career's with the biggest draw in the sport. Win/win.

With the fight being at 147 it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that if a fighter is 16 years into his career, been having troubles with weight, moved up in weight, got dinged the fuck up in most of his last 8 fights at said weights, recently lost to a blown up 130 pounder…the timing was perfect. It was Oscars last fight too. Kind of reminds me of Louis.Marciano.

Floyd gets the pass on Hoya because it wasn't crystal clear he was shot and he had been chasing Oscar his entire career, it is a bit different. His road led to De La Hoya.

Moving on to Hatton. Floyd kind of ruined that man. We've seen how fighters respond to their first loss and even mores when its by getting ktfo'd [e.g. Taylor.Chavez I]. Floyd did that to him. OK, moving on…Lazcano put some serious leather across Hattons face. I don't give a crap what the scores were, the fight was in the belly of the beast of where Hatton's padded career originated. They thought Lazcano would be a soft touch affair, but the blueprint was out. OK, we fucked up…Lazcano wasn't as much of a soft touch as we thought…how bout Malignaggi? Can't get any more soft touch than a guy with 5 k's in his book…right? So they fight Manny. If you've been paying attention, Pacquiao has been weighing anywhere from 142-144 on fight night since his days at 130. Some call it Manny moving up, those who know, know that Manny just shrank down less. Not exactly a test. Cracks were obvious on Hatton. No secret Hatton was a home cooked fighter. B level at best.

Then we got Cotto. Pacquiao was literally laughing his ass off in the crowd at the Cotto.Clottey fight. Margarito did something to that kid and Clottey should have won that fight. But just to make sure we're not wrong, lets make him shrink a few pounds…because Mosley is too good [Roach's video taped words verbatim…even at 142, the weight Mosley was willing to go, was still too much of a test]. Not only will we make this blown up 140 pounder [who left 140 because he couldn't make the weight] shrink a few, but we'll also take his belt on a technicality. Diamond belts baby!

Do I really have to prove Clottey wasn't a test? Another broke ass Arum fighter who always seems to choke at the big show?

Pacquiao doesn't want to be tested on all fronts and thats that. He won't fight Mayweather unless he has an advantage over him and thats a bitch move. Don't come at me with the blood either. One minute its his socks were too tight, then its the needles, then its blood, then its 10 million per pound, 14 days, etc.

Fight wont happen. If there was a line on it, I'd be on it.

I think the fight WILL happen because there's just too much $$$$ involved for too many different people (Not to happen). I predict Pac-Man will be mind-f--ked & Mayweather will out box him easily. Pac-man's super improvement is just too drastic to be on the natch. Plain & Simple.

Looks like this aint happening

Great Write=up 

pacman dont want box mayweather he wants paul the beast williams instead!!

The fact is Mayweather is a chicken shit and won't fight Pacman because he knows he'll lose. This thing about the drug testing is nothing but a smoke screen so Mayweather can walk away from the fight with his head up high. I think the fight will take place but not until 2011. Come on Mayweather be a man, everybody wants this fight to happen so make it happen!!!

pac has already agreed on everything... hes waiting on floyd, who seems to not want to fight.

The deadline is just 15 mins. away...looks like the fight is a no-go for 2010.

Just wait it out. PBF will be broke again in a couple of months and will be begging for this fight.

The deadline is past mayweather nuthuggers are also gay!!

at first, everyone was on Floyd's side and wondered what Pac has to hide with the random testing. Now everyone is wondering if PBF really is the chicken shit he's made out to be. Pac agreed to the 14 day cutoff, which PBF threw out first when Pac didn't want to do random. Pac finally agrees to it and now PBF wants 60/40



Like most talking heads have said, I really believe PBF holds dear to that big fat zero in his loss column. He knows his PPV #'s and appeal will drastically go down if he ever loses. Nobody will watch this clown again. His antics and cockiness won't have any merit with a loss. That's really the only reason most casual fans watch this guy. To see him fall because they hat him so much. PBF knows Pac has a legitimate shot at beating him. Plus that shot by a washed up Mosley in the 2nd round gave him a reality check. He knows it's only a matter of time

Think for yourself man, not through media slop.

I am thinking for myself bro.

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's "media slop"

And please don't say Pac is cherry picking and say nothing about PBF. They both do. Get off Floyd's balls for a sec.

history will remember floyd saying he is the greatest...

history will also remember floyd as a chicken...