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    Midnight1
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    INACCURACIES ..yesterday in the Oval Office he thought he was educating a reporter regarding tariffs being considered on BRICS' nations & named Spain as one of those countries which of course is wrong. However, no one corrected him & he probably believes he's right as always. For anyone wondering the 3 countries are Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa not SPAIN.

    LIES.... He stated that the US is the only country with birthright citizenship which of course is bullshit. Dozens of countries have it including Canada & Mexico.

    LIES..He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers.

    LIES..H spoke again about how NATO European members of NATO, have contributed $200 billion less to UKRAINE than the U.S. has. In fact, data shows that the European members have provided tens of billions more aid than the U.S. has. 

    LIES..He repeated his assertion that China controls the Panama Canal. China has influence in the area and China-linked companies operate two ports on the canal, but that canal is operated by the Panamanian Canal Authority, staffed by Panamanian board members, Panamanian employees.

    STUPIDITY..If the POS can say, 'We're going to go take the Panama Canal. Why couldn't China say, 'Okay, well, then, I guess that means we can take Taiwan?'"

    STUPIDITY..The POS on Monday rescinded an order signed by President Biden that aimed to develop programs to lower prescription drug prices in the United States where residents pay far more for medications than people in peer countries. That decision directly impacts American citizens in a negative manner. The POS is again proving that he lied to the American people and doesn't care about lowering costs & wants only what's best for himself and his ultra-rich friends.

    STUPIDITY..His recent pardons justify violence & attacks on law enforcement including those convicted of violent crimes. It will also end the cases that are already in progress. Those who assisted law enforcement in capturing traitors & insurrectionists will realize their efforts were for naught & may experience repercussions from those released. A convicted felon pardoning other criminals is what our country has become.

    STUPIDITY..The POS has signed an executive order allowing for presidential appointees to be granted immediate interim top security clearances even if those appointees' background investigations haven't been completed. This is how it works in Russia & China. What could possibly go wrong?

    INACCURACIES..Russia and Ukraine have continued to exchange barrages of air attacks despite the POSA having said he would end the war within 24 hours of becoming US president.

     

     

     

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    INACCURACIES ..yesterday in the Oval Office he thought he was educating a reporter regarding tariffs being considered on BRICS' nations & named Spain as one of those countries which of course is wrong. However, no one corrected him & he probably believes he's right as always. For anyone wondering the 3 countries are Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa not SPAIN.

    LIES.... He stated that the US is the only country with birthright citizenship which of course is bullshit. Dozens of countries have it including Canada & Mexico.

    LIES..He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers.

    LIES..H spoke again about how NATO European members of NATO, have contributed $200 billion less to UKRAINE than the U.S. has. In fact, data shows that the European members have provided tens of billions more aid than the U.S. has. 

    LIES..He repeated his assertion that China controls the Panama Canal. China has influence in the area and China-linked companies operate two ports on the canal, but that canal is operated by the Panamanian Canal Authority, staffed by Panamanian board members, Panamanian employees.

    STUPIDITY..If the POS can say, 'We're going to go take the Panama Canal. Why couldn't China say, 'Okay, well, then, I guess that means we can take Taiwan?'"

    STUPIDITY..The POS on Monday rescinded an order signed by President Biden that aimed to develop programs to lower prescription drug prices in the United States where residents pay far more for medications than people in peer countries. That decision directly impacts American citizens in a negative manner. The POS is again proving that he lied to the American people and doesn't care about lowering costs & wants only what's best for himself and his ultra-rich friends.

    STUPIDITY..His recent pardons justify violence & attacks on law enforcement including those convicted of violent crimes. It will also end the cases that are already in progress. Those who assisted law enforcement in capturing traitors & insurrectionists will realize their efforts were for naught & may experience repercussions from those released. A convicted felon pardoning other criminals is what our country has become.

    STUPIDITY..The POS has signed an executive order allowing for presidential appointees to be granted immediate interim top security clearances even if those appointees' background investigations haven't been completed. This is how it works in Russia & China. What could possibly go wrong?

    INACCURACIES..Russia and Ukraine have continued to exchange barrages of air attacks despite the POSA having said he would end the war within 24 hours of becoming US president.

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 3:27 PM ET #2

    The following is not a lie or an inaccuracy. Vladimir Putin called President Trump 'courageous' for surviving at least 2 assassination attempts before landsliding the worst Presidential nominee in the history of the United States. I would bet my last $100 certain moderators inside Covers placed their vote for her.

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    The following is not a lie or an inaccuracy. Vladimir Putin called President Trump 'courageous' for surviving at least 2 assassination attempts before landsliding the worst Presidential nominee in the history of the United States. I would bet my last $100 certain moderators inside Covers placed their vote for her.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 3:46 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    INACCURACIES ..yesterday in the Oval Office he thought he was educating a reporter regarding tariffs being considered on BRICS' nations & named Spain as one of those countries which of course is wrong. However, no one corrected him & he probably believes he's right as always. For anyone wondering the countries are Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa not SPAIN.

    @Midnight1

     peace_5  Keep up the good work with fact-checking the new regime. an_clap

     

    HUGE thanks to our lead fact-checker, thirdperson, in this regard. win

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    INACCURACIES ..yesterday in the Oval Office he thought he was educating a reporter regarding tariffs being considered on BRICS' nations & named Spain as one of those countries which of course is wrong. However, no one corrected him & he probably believes he's right as always. For anyone wondering the countries are Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa not SPAIN.

    @Midnight1

     peace_5  Keep up the good work with fact-checking the new regime. an_clap

     

    HUGE thanks to our lead fact-checker, thirdperson, in this regard. win

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 4:39 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The following is not a lie or an inaccuracy. Vladimir Putin called President Trump 'courageous' for surviving at least 2 assassination attempts before landsliding the worst Presidential nominee in the history of the United States.

    Election results don't support Trump's claims of a landslide and major mandate in 2024 election.  Just 0.15% of all voters or 230,000 votes determined the winner.  This is one of the smallest margin of victory in years but flawed electoral college inflates Trump's victory. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The following is not a lie or an inaccuracy. Vladimir Putin called President Trump 'courageous' for surviving at least 2 assassination attempts before landsliding the worst Presidential nominee in the history of the United States.

    Election results don't support Trump's claims of a landslide and major mandate in 2024 election.  Just 0.15% of all voters or 230,000 votes determined the winner.  This is one of the smallest margin of victory in years but flawed electoral college inflates Trump's victory. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 4:43 PM ET #5

    Biden was such a good president.   He was too good.  He was so good that the democrats kicked his administration out of the White House.  

     

    This whole thread is misinformation spread by the OP

     

    For instance ... the prescription drug prices..

     

    This is not true. Biden did the same thing to Trump, that prescription drug bill was Trump's first. Biden rescinded it so he could make it his own. Now Trump will just make it his bill again. Prices will not change. 

     

    You can twist these things all day.  It doesn't make them true.   

     

    Theresa reason Biden got kicked out of the white house by democrats.   He sucked.  

     

     

     

     

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    Biden was such a good president.   He was too good.  He was so good that the democrats kicked his administration out of the White House.  

     

    This whole thread is misinformation spread by the OP

     

    For instance ... the prescription drug prices..

     

    This is not true. Biden did the same thing to Trump, that prescription drug bill was Trump's first. Biden rescinded it so he could make it his own. Now Trump will just make it his bill again. Prices will not change. 

     

    You can twist these things all day.  It doesn't make them true.   

     

    Theresa reason Biden got kicked out of the white house by democrats.   He sucked.  

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Election results don't support Trump's claims of a landslide and major mandate in 2024 election.  Just 0.15% of all voters or 230,000 votes determined the winner.  This is one of the smallest margin of victory in years but flawed electoral college inflates Trump's victory.

    Fact! Thanks, thirdperson. peace_5 Keep up the GREAT work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Election results don't support Trump's claims of a landslide and major mandate in 2024 election.  Just 0.15% of all voters or 230,000 votes determined the winner.  This is one of the smallest margin of victory in years but flawed electoral college inflates Trump's victory.

    Fact! Thanks, thirdperson. peace_5 Keep up the GREAT work!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2025 - 5:57 PM ET #7

    STUPIDITY...Iran wants the POS and John Bolton dead. Now, only one of them still has Secret Service protection. He showed us his game plan & still allowed him to return to office. His pettiness is beyond compare.

    LIES...REPORTER: You would agree it's never acceptable to assault police officers?

    POS: Sure

    REPORTER: Among those you pardoned is a guy who used a stun gun on a police officer. Why does he deserve a pardon?

    TRUMP: Well, I don't know.

    He knows but doesn't give a shit! Sadly, there are no adults in his proposed administration to pull on the reins.

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    STUPIDITY...Iran wants the POS and John Bolton dead. Now, only one of them still has Secret Service protection. He showed us his game plan & still allowed him to return to office. His pettiness is beyond compare.

    LIES...REPORTER: You would agree it's never acceptable to assault police officers?

    POS: Sure

    REPORTER: Among those you pardoned is a guy who used a stun gun on a police officer. Why does he deserve a pardon?

    TRUMP: Well, I don't know.

    He knows but doesn't give a shit! Sadly, there are no adults in his proposed administration to pull on the reins.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovethedough:

    Biden was such a good president.   He was too good.  He was so good that the democrats kicked his administration out of the White House.     This whole thread is misinformation spread by the OP   For instance ... the prescription drug prices..   This is not true. Biden did the same thing to Trump, that prescription drug bill was Trump's first. Biden rescinded it so he could make it his own. Now Trump will just make it his bill again. Prices will not change.    You can twist these things all day.  It doesn't make them true.      Theresa reason Biden got kicked out of the white house by democrats.   He sucked.

    Don't say I'm wrong about drug prices, prove it.

    I'm still waiting for one of your ilk to provide pictures of Democrats giving the NAZI salute similar to what Muskrat gave. He said he had plenty but hasn't provided one.

    You are now on the clock. Tic toc

    BTW..Biden got kicked out because he wasn't well. It was not performance based.

    Meanwhile, we're trying to arrest illegal criminals & your boy just filled the streets with domestic terrorists. Explain that shit to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovethedough:

    Biden was such a good president.   He was too good.  He was so good that the democrats kicked his administration out of the White House.     This whole thread is misinformation spread by the OP   For instance ... the prescription drug prices..   This is not true. Biden did the same thing to Trump, that prescription drug bill was Trump's first. Biden rescinded it so he could make it his own. Now Trump will just make it his bill again. Prices will not change.    You can twist these things all day.  It doesn't make them true.      Theresa reason Biden got kicked out of the white house by democrats.   He sucked.

    Don't say I'm wrong about drug prices, prove it.

    I'm still waiting for one of your ilk to provide pictures of Democrats giving the NAZI salute similar to what Muskrat gave. He said he had plenty but hasn't provided one.

    You are now on the clock. Tic toc

    BTW..Biden got kicked out because he wasn't well. It was not performance based.

    Meanwhile, we're trying to arrest illegal criminals & your boy just filled the streets with domestic terrorists. Explain that shit to me.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    LIES.... He stated that the US is the only country with birthright citizenship which of course is bullshit. Dozens of countries have it including Canada & Mexico.

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     Midnight1 with the facts once again! peace_5 Meaning, yep, trump LIED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    LIES.... He stated that the US is the only country with birthright citizenship which of course is bullshit. Dozens of countries have it including Canada & Mexico.

    @Midnight1

     Midnight1 with the facts once again! peace_5 Meaning, yep, trump LIED!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The following is not a lie or an inaccuracy. Vladimir Putin called President Trump 'courageous' for surviving at least 2 assassination attempts before landsliding the worst Presidential nominee in the history of the United States. Election results don't support Trump's claims of a landslide and major mandate in 2024 election.  Just 0.15% of all voters or 230,000 votes determined the winner.  This is one of the smallest margin of victory in years but flawed electoral college inflates Trump's victory.

     

    I checked and it was a total of 2.3 MILLION VOTES.

    You are twisting it by looking only at a few specific states.

    Wanted so bad to say the electoral college got him elected, but you can't. an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The following is not a lie or an inaccuracy. Vladimir Putin called President Trump 'courageous' for surviving at least 2 assassination attempts before landsliding the worst Presidential nominee in the history of the United States. Election results don't support Trump's claims of a landslide and major mandate in 2024 election.  Just 0.15% of all voters or 230,000 votes determined the winner.  This is one of the smallest margin of victory in years but flawed electoral college inflates Trump's victory.

     

    I checked and it was a total of 2.3 MILLION VOTES.

    You are twisting it by looking only at a few specific states.

    Wanted so bad to say the electoral college got him elected, but you can't. an_light

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    LIES..

    He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.”

    In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers.

    @Midnight1

     Midnight1 with the facts once again! an_clap Yep, trump LIED on that too!

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    LIES..

    He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.”

    In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers.

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     Midnight1 with the facts once again! an_clap Yep, trump LIED on that too!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!

     

    You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!

     

    You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US. 

     
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    Ding, ding, ding.

    That was short search. an_roll_laugh

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    That was short search. an_roll_laugh

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US.

    Not to mention Biden's added tariffs last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US.

    Not to mention Biden's added tariffs last year.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    MORE LIES..He spoke again about how NATO European members of NATO, have contributed $200 billion less to UKRAINE than the U.S. has.

    an_light In fact, data shows that the European members have provided tens of billions more aid than the U.S. has.

    Thanks Midnight1! an_cheers

     

     

     

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    MORE LIES..He spoke again about how NATO European members of NATO, have contributed $200 billion less to UKRAINE than the U.S. has.

    an_light In fact, data shows that the European members have provided tens of billions more aid than the U.S. has.

    Thanks Midnight1! an_cheers

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US.

    yes, that's right but you left out the American consumers. Here read this

    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-trumps-tariffs-benefit-american-workers-and-national-security/

    There are other links to help explain who shoulders the increase caused by tariffs but you can certainly find they yourself.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US.

    yes, that's right but you left out the American consumers. Here read this

    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-trumps-tariffs-benefit-american-workers-and-national-security/

    There are other links to help explain who shoulders the increase caused by tariffs but you can certainly find they yourself.

     

     
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    JONATHAN TURLEY: Well, the Department of Justice really made the case for these pardons, and it was hard to do because most of us supported the people responsible for the riot being held accountable, it was a terrible day. But the Justice Department unleashed what one of its top lawyers called a ‘shock and awe’ campaign, and they just scooped up hundreds of people. They often demanded really excessive sentences, in my view. Most of these people were charged with just trespass or unlawful entry. Most of them were not violent. The government tended to oppose bail, they kept a number of them for a very long time in segregation. In some cases, they demanded limitations on what people could say or read or associate after they were released. All of this tended to undermine their case. So when when the president campaigned on this issue, I think a lot of people wanted to see this chapter closed and he certainly did that. I mean, this was broader than most people expected or even asked for. 

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    JONATHAN TURLEY: Well, the Department of Justice really made the case for these pardons, and it was hard to do because most of us supported the people responsible for the riot being held accountable, it was a terrible day. But the Justice Department unleashed what one of its top lawyers called a ‘shock and awe’ campaign, and they just scooped up hundreds of people. They often demanded really excessive sentences, in my view. Most of these people were charged with just trespass or unlawful entry. Most of them were not violent. The government tended to oppose bail, they kept a number of them for a very long time in segregation. In some cases, they demanded limitations on what people could say or read or associate after they were released. All of this tended to undermine their case. So when when the president campaigned on this issue, I think a lot of people wanted to see this chapter closed and he certainly did that. I mean, this was broader than most people expected or even asked for. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US.

    I think the proof is just based on what a tariff is. A tariff is paid by the importer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US.

    I think the proof is just based on what a tariff is. A tariff is paid by the importer.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Ding, ding, ding. That was short search.

    C'mon bro...ya gotta provide something better than a 7 second clip from FOX that can't be heard!

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    Ding, ding, ding. That was short search.

    C'mon bro...ya gotta provide something better than a 7 second clip from FOX that can't be heard!

    an_beatup

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US. yes, that's right but you left out the American consumers. Here read this https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-trumps-tariffs-benefit-american-workers-and-national-security/ There are other links to help explain who shoulders the increase caused by tariffs but you can certainly find they yourself.

    Ask yourself this.

    IF TRUMP'S TARIFFS WERE SO BAD WHY, FOR FOUR YEARS,  DID BIDEN REFUSE TO REMOVE THEM AND THEN ADDED MORE???

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US. yes, that's right but you left out the American consumers. Here read this https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-trumps-tariffs-benefit-american-workers-and-national-security/ There are other links to help explain who shoulders the increase caused by tariffs but you can certainly find they yourself.

    Ask yourself this.

    IF TRUMP'S TARIFFS WERE SO BAD WHY, FOR FOUR YEARS,  DID BIDEN REFUSE TO REMOVE THEM AND THEN ADDED MORE???

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Ding, ding, ding. That was short search. C'mon bro...ya gotta provide something better than a 7 second clip from FOX that can't be heard!

    Not once, but twice Biden gave the salute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Ding, ding, ding. That was short search. C'mon bro...ya gotta provide something better than a 7 second clip from FOX that can't be heard!

    Not once, but twice Biden gave the salute.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US. yes, that's right but you left out the American consumers. Here read this https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-trumps-tariffs-benefit-american-workers-and-national-security/ There are other links to help explain who shoulders the increase caused by tariffs but you can certainly find they yourself.

    @Midnight1

    Of course! peace_5 This issue has been explained multiple times before but some just REFUSE to understand.

    The importer pays the added costs of the tariff  AND THEN JACKS UP THE COST OF THE GOODS TO AMERICAN CONSUMERS to recover all or some of his profit losses.

    That rise in costs to American consumers is, in fact, INFLATION!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US. yes, that's right but you left out the American consumers. Here read this https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-trumps-tariffs-benefit-american-workers-and-national-security/ There are other links to help explain who shoulders the increase caused by tariffs but you can certainly find they yourself.

    @Midnight1

    Of course! peace_5 This issue has been explained multiple times before but some just REFUSE to understand.

    The importer pays the added costs of the tariff  AND THEN JACKS UP THE COST OF THE GOODS TO AMERICAN CONSUMERS to recover all or some of his profit losses.

    That rise in costs to American consumers is, in fact, INFLATION!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US. Not to mention Biden's added tariffs last year.

    Tell the whole story! 

    Biden raised tariffs on CERTAIN goods from China & not everything like your boy proposes. He also raised them for Russia. However, the POS wants tariffs on any country exporting goods into America.

    That's a big difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: LIES.. He claimed “that the U.S. took hundreds of billions of dollars in from China thanks to the tariffs he imposed in his first term.” In actuality, that revenue came from U.S. citizens because U.S. importers pay those tariffs and often pass off the costs to U.S. consumers. @Midnight1  Midnight1 with the facts once again! Yep, trump LIED on that too!   You guys have literally 0 proof of who paid what. You have no idea. Literally no idea. If you want to claim "facts", show proof. China could have paid the tariffs, same with the US. Not to mention Biden's added tariffs last year.

    Tell the whole story! 

    Biden raised tariffs on CERTAIN goods from China & not everything like your boy proposes. He also raised them for Russia. However, the POS wants tariffs on any country exporting goods into America.

    That's a big difference!

     
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     Apparently, you skipped right over the graph that shows Trump was right in that the US generated a substantial amount of more revenue. I thought you love the gov't generating more money? Isn't that what the left wants? More money for the gov't so they can recklessly spend moreeee? 

     Could consumers have paid more, yes, could China have paid a more, also yes. This is not a one sided cost. In case you have no clue about tariffs, the point is to try to favor more manufacturing and buying of American goods and to have less reliance on foreign production. You know, because Chyna makes shit products and just because it's "cheaper" now doesn't mean it's better. You can buy 2 shit products from China that last as long as 1 product built in the US. Sure, you'll pay more for the product manufactured in the US, but the point of a tariff on a foreign country is to promote more US production which in turn promotes job growth in the US. The gov't can not be the only entity creating jobs like the Biden admin thinks. Gov't is NOT efficient at all. If you have to pay slightly more for a product from the US, you're paying to keep jobs in the US. So while you say tariffs against China are so bad, you need to look at that long term. Quality > quantity. More manufacturing and jobs for Americans. There is a reason covid came from China and your buddy Mr Science is not team US. 

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     Apparently, you skipped right over the graph that shows Trump was right in that the US generated a substantial amount of more revenue. I thought you love the gov't generating more money? Isn't that what the left wants? More money for the gov't so they can recklessly spend moreeee? 

     Could consumers have paid more, yes, could China have paid a more, also yes. This is not a one sided cost. In case you have no clue about tariffs, the point is to try to favor more manufacturing and buying of American goods and to have less reliance on foreign production. You know, because Chyna makes shit products and just because it's "cheaper" now doesn't mean it's better. You can buy 2 shit products from China that last as long as 1 product built in the US. Sure, you'll pay more for the product manufactured in the US, but the point of a tariff on a foreign country is to promote more US production which in turn promotes job growth in the US. The gov't can not be the only entity creating jobs like the Biden admin thinks. Gov't is NOT efficient at all. If you have to pay slightly more for a product from the US, you're paying to keep jobs in the US. So while you say tariffs against China are so bad, you need to look at that long term. Quality > quantity. More manufacturing and jobs for Americans. There is a reason covid came from China and your buddy Mr Science is not team US. 

     
     
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