Hey my nephew is 14 he started boxing... at a local gym and signed up
for the boxing class.. he has only been sparring so far they put him
against kids who are 16 and 30 pounds heavier, but in Mid April he will
be fighting someone his own age and weight (14 years old 105 pounds).
I know you boxed for a time and so did Mcnulty.. I know where to
download the dvd instructional videos it's an 11 dvd set I can download for free :) From the basics to the advanced.
Since you guys have personal experience is there anything I can help him with now .. (he's coming for Spring Break this weekend and will be here for 10 days). Any way to test what he has? Any way to see that he is doing it right?
He seems VERY interested in boxing, and almost obsessed with it.
He wants to "gain muscle" but he's only 14, the protein stuff that makes you gain weight.. isn't a good idea for a kid like him?
He wants to gain weight.. but toned weight.. what's the best method?
Thank guys,
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Hey my nephew is 14 he started boxing... at a local gym and signed up
for the boxing class.. he has only been sparring so far they put him
against kids who are 16 and 30 pounds heavier, but in Mid April he will
be fighting someone his own age and weight (14 years old 105 pounds).
I know you boxed for a time and so did Mcnulty.. I know where to
download the dvd instructional videos it's an 11 dvd set I can download for free :) From the basics to the advanced.
Since you guys have personal experience is there anything I can help him with now .. (he's coming for Spring Break this weekend and will be here for 10 days). Any way to test what he has? Any way to see that he is doing it right?
He seems VERY interested in boxing, and almost obsessed with it.
He wants to "gain muscle" but he's only 14, the protein stuff that makes you gain weight.. isn't a good idea for a kid like him?
He wants to gain weight.. but toned weight.. what's the best method?
Rich, I will PM you shortly with more precise answer. But if you want my opinion, I would work on speed and less on weight gain. I think boxers today place far too much emphasis on weight/muscle gain. I wouldn't involve any kid that young with ANY sort of weight training. I know McNulty and many other posters may disagree. I am not even saying I am right, this is just what I would do to prepare a fighter of that age.
A good example of a boxer who never did any weight training (except for the neck brace you see in 24/7) is Floyd Mayweather Junior.
The kind of routine I would have a 14 year old kid on personally is ->
Shadow boxing (the same routine everytime, google Shadow boxing and you should see some great routines) Skipping, Pads, Heavybag, Pushups and situps. I would pay special emphasis on totally mastering the Speed Ball and the Floor to Ceiling Ball.
Rich, at that age speed and learning the fundemental boxing skills are what is important. Muscles don't win fights. Skill and heart do and those are the area's, I would focus on as a trainer.
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Rich, I will PM you shortly with more precise answer. But if you want my opinion, I would work on speed and less on weight gain. I think boxers today place far too much emphasis on weight/muscle gain. I wouldn't involve any kid that young with ANY sort of weight training. I know McNulty and many other posters may disagree. I am not even saying I am right, this is just what I would do to prepare a fighter of that age.
A good example of a boxer who never did any weight training (except for the neck brace you see in 24/7) is Floyd Mayweather Junior.
The kind of routine I would have a 14 year old kid on personally is ->
Shadow boxing (the same routine everytime, google Shadow boxing and you should see some great routines) Skipping, Pads, Heavybag, Pushups and situps. I would pay special emphasis on totally mastering the Speed Ball and the Floor to Ceiling Ball.
Rich, at that age speed and learning the fundemental boxing skills are what is important. Muscles don't win fights. Skill and heart do and those are the area's, I would focus on as a trainer.
Agreed with Mack. Weight gains should be done later rather than at 14. He has a lot of time to grow into his body. But...
I do remember when I read Arnold's bible of body building it did mention an exercise for an approx 14-15 year old. I guess during that growth period the upper body can be made bigger through said exercise. Its been 16+ years since I read it, but I think the exercise went like...feet flat, lay down and put upper back sideways on a flat bench, so your arms are hanging over your head and your looking at the ceiling. Weighted Olympic flat bar in hands and you raise the bar over your chest, then lower the bar back to over the head, repeat. You could probably find a copy of that book online and find the exact exercise...I know its in there.
I would recommend hitting the squat rack though, even at 14. Just light weight and high reps...like 20/set...3 set's [+1 set warm-up w/bar only, no weight], thats it. Boxing is all legs and getting to the next levels is dependent on what sort of shape your in and how you push yourself. When you have more strength in the legs, everything else is so much easier to do.
I would also recommend shadow boxing with small hand weights. 5's, 4's, and 1 pounders...3 rounds finishing with the 1's. His overall boxing will get 3x better and his shoulders will get bigger. Using the weights shadowboxing will teach him snap because after the last round with the 1's you get right on the heavy bag [wraps should have been on with the weights so you just slip the gloves on during the rest]. Now that you just have gloves on and not weights in your hand your punches immediately feel hard, quick, and snappy. Its a win/win.
Besides that, master the basics, think about angles and focus on speed like Mack said. Speed is power. The quicker your hands are the quicker your eyes react as well. Style wise, am's style calls for high output. Shoe-shines on the inside will go over nice with the judges. Jab's, 3 and 5 piece combinations, high output, and shoe-shine the body on the inside will win those fights. My 2nd trainer Libby once said a good am's fighter is built after 3 years of good training. Being, 5 days/week with running [before the workout] on 3 of those. As long as he sticks with it for the long haul and has good trainers he'll be alright.
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Agreed with Mack. Weight gains should be done later rather than at 14. He has a lot of time to grow into his body. But...
I do remember when I read Arnold's bible of body building it did mention an exercise for an approx 14-15 year old. I guess during that growth period the upper body can be made bigger through said exercise. Its been 16+ years since I read it, but I think the exercise went like...feet flat, lay down and put upper back sideways on a flat bench, so your arms are hanging over your head and your looking at the ceiling. Weighted Olympic flat bar in hands and you raise the bar over your chest, then lower the bar back to over the head, repeat. You could probably find a copy of that book online and find the exact exercise...I know its in there.
I would recommend hitting the squat rack though, even at 14. Just light weight and high reps...like 20/set...3 set's [+1 set warm-up w/bar only, no weight], thats it. Boxing is all legs and getting to the next levels is dependent on what sort of shape your in and how you push yourself. When you have more strength in the legs, everything else is so much easier to do.
I would also recommend shadow boxing with small hand weights. 5's, 4's, and 1 pounders...3 rounds finishing with the 1's. His overall boxing will get 3x better and his shoulders will get bigger. Using the weights shadowboxing will teach him snap because after the last round with the 1's you get right on the heavy bag [wraps should have been on with the weights so you just slip the gloves on during the rest]. Now that you just have gloves on and not weights in your hand your punches immediately feel hard, quick, and snappy. Its a win/win.
Besides that, master the basics, think about angles and focus on speed like Mack said. Speed is power. The quicker your hands are the quicker your eyes react as well. Style wise, am's style calls for high output. Shoe-shines on the inside will go over nice with the judges. Jab's, 3 and 5 piece combinations, high output, and shoe-shine the body on the inside will win those fights. My 2nd trainer Libby once said a good am's fighter is built after 3 years of good training. Being, 5 days/week with running [before the workout] on 3 of those. As long as he sticks with it for the long haul and has good trainers he'll be alright.
I got into boxing at 13. I quit at 15(My nose was starting to look like Froch's). If I could go back I would place a much lower emphasis on long-distance roadwork. It's essential for a pro boxer who fights ten 3min rounds, but I was fighting three 1.5min rounds. When it comes to roadwork, focus on: intervals, sprints, and increasing your VO2 max. Running should be timed to make sure your not slacking. When I was young, I would simply jog 6 miles every morning(pointless). Amatuer boxing is physically intense - nothing like jogging. As far as other stuff, I agree with Mack.
Another element of boxing endurance is relaxation. If you know what to do in every situation and you feel in control, you won't get tired as fast(look at James Toney's fat ass). You can only gain this by constant sparring (different people is key) and studying the sweet science(counters for every punch and style).
I haven't had an official fight since 15(I'm 24 now), yet I feel my boxing IQ is lightyears ahead of what it used to be(thanks to gambling). If your'e nephew is a boxing fanatic, get him into predicting fights by focusing on strengths, weaknesses, and styles.
But don't foget - Sometimes it's all about HEART! WILL OVER SKILL!
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I got into boxing at 13. I quit at 15(My nose was starting to look like Froch's). If I could go back I would place a much lower emphasis on long-distance roadwork. It's essential for a pro boxer who fights ten 3min rounds, but I was fighting three 1.5min rounds. When it comes to roadwork, focus on: intervals, sprints, and increasing your VO2 max. Running should be timed to make sure your not slacking. When I was young, I would simply jog 6 miles every morning(pointless). Amatuer boxing is physically intense - nothing like jogging. As far as other stuff, I agree with Mack.
Another element of boxing endurance is relaxation. If you know what to do in every situation and you feel in control, you won't get tired as fast(look at James Toney's fat ass). You can only gain this by constant sparring (different people is key) and studying the sweet science(counters for every punch and style).
I haven't had an official fight since 15(I'm 24 now), yet I feel my boxing IQ is lightyears ahead of what it used to be(thanks to gambling). If your'e nephew is a boxing fanatic, get him into predicting fights by focusing on strengths, weaknesses, and styles.
But don't foget - Sometimes it's all about HEART! WILL OVER SKILL!
He wants to "gain muscle" but he's only 14, the protein stuff that
makes you gain weight.. isn't a good idea for a kid like him?
He
wants to gain weight.. but toned weight.. what's the best method?
* no need to trick it up with supplements....get his ass on HARD circuit routine......emphasis on areas he needs work ....(trunk / legs.... maybe)... station to station.....NO rest....fast movements....high reps...don't need a gym neccesarily * when done ....if need bulk in certain areas...(legs maybe)...moderately heavy work won't hurt
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He wants to "gain muscle" but he's only 14, the protein stuff that
makes you gain weight.. isn't a good idea for a kid like him?
He
wants to gain weight.. but toned weight.. what's the best method?
* no need to trick it up with supplements....get his ass on HARD circuit routine......emphasis on areas he needs work ....(trunk / legs.... maybe)... station to station.....NO rest....fast movements....high reps...don't need a gym neccesarily * when done ....if need bulk in certain areas...(legs maybe)...moderately heavy work won't hurt
Thanks guys I wasn't for the protein stuff anyways.. I told him look at Floyd and the other champions MOST of them weren't muscular...or ripped.
I know he wants to increase power/weight, because he's fighting people older/much heavier. This boxing gym he belongs to is in Haver hill, Mass so I have no control over what the guys trains him on.
Mack thanks for the tips excellent as always, Mcnulty thanks also and NC1capper thanks also.. I know 14 is too soon. I tried to scare him away from it by telling him it causes bad acne (which it can).
Thanks to DatMofo and Bookieassassin. All great information.. and will see what he has this weekend :-)
Thanks again guys!
Oh and Mcnulty Congrats on the win! Danny green 3rd round KO!
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Thanks guys I wasn't for the protein stuff anyways.. I told him look at Floyd and the other champions MOST of them weren't muscular...or ripped.
I know he wants to increase power/weight, because he's fighting people older/much heavier. This boxing gym he belongs to is in Haver hill, Mass so I have no control over what the guys trains him on.
Mack thanks for the tips excellent as always, Mcnulty thanks also and NC1capper thanks also.. I know 14 is too soon. I tried to scare him away from it by telling him it causes bad acne (which it can).
Thanks to DatMofo and Bookieassassin. All great information.. and will see what he has this weekend :-)
Thanks again guys!
Oh and Mcnulty Congrats on the win! Danny green 3rd round KO!
McNulty has made some great points on 'footwork'. Footwork is the difference between a good and a great fighter. McNulty is right, everything comes for the legs. His tips to improve leg strength are top notch.
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McNulty has made some great points on 'footwork'. Footwork is the difference between a good and a great fighter. McNulty is right, everything comes for the legs. His tips to improve leg strength are top notch.
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