.80 of a unit on Barrett (+260) vs Fields .65 of a unit to win 3.21 Vanes (-510) Marsh (+170) Pac-Diaz Won't Go (-160) Soto (-750) .10 of a unit to win 3.94 Vanes (-510)
Marsh (+170)
Pac-Diaz Won't Go (-160)
Soto (-750) Santiago ITD (+580)
Internet problems have been the name of the game the last few days. I am glad to see after jumping getting back on-line that I am not the only one that thinks that Joe Cortez is out of his mind. If the Nevada commission doesn't do anything about him then they are just as much to blame. Everyone that follows boxing has a right to be mad whether you bet on Soto or not. Gotta say I laughed pretty hard when Fields got chopped down; classic example of the another joke "Great White Hope" protected fighter. Sure glad Santiago didn't stop Luevano now, because that Cortez fiasco would hurt even more. The Pac fight went as I expected, his speed was the biggest difference; the odds were wide for a reason.
Won 3.28 units for the week. Thanks Joe for that number not being over seven. You are the definition of an idiot.
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.80 of a unit on Barrett (+260) vs Fields .65 of a unit to win 3.21 Vanes (-510) Marsh (+170) Pac-Diaz Won't Go (-160) Soto (-750) .10 of a unit to win 3.94 Vanes (-510)
Marsh (+170)
Pac-Diaz Won't Go (-160)
Soto (-750) Santiago ITD (+580)
Internet problems have been the name of the game the last few days. I am glad to see after jumping getting back on-line that I am not the only one that thinks that Joe Cortez is out of his mind. If the Nevada commission doesn't do anything about him then they are just as much to blame. Everyone that follows boxing has a right to be mad whether you bet on Soto or not. Gotta say I laughed pretty hard when Fields got chopped down; classic example of the another joke "Great White Hope" protected fighter. Sure glad Santiago didn't stop Luevano now, because that Cortez fiasco would hurt even more. The Pac fight went as I expected, his speed was the biggest difference; the odds were wide for a reason.
Won 3.28 units for the week. Thanks Joe for that number not being over seven. You are the definition of an idiot.
Damn good capping weekend. You got royally screwed with Soto. Its rare a man lying on his back in a pool of his own blood claims a world title. Just an absurdity. You deserved far better and I deserved far worse.
Here's to Monte though! Nothing better than a +260 no doubter.
Yeah, cheers on Monte. To think that there were Fields bettors out there is hillarious. At least everybody over here was on the Barrett train.
Royally screwed is about right, now at least you know what it feels like to get away with a heist.
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Quote Originally Posted by HakAttack1:
FB,
Damn good capping weekend. You got royally screwed with Soto. Its rare a man lying on his back in a pool of his own blood claims a world title. Just an absurdity. You deserved far better and I deserved far worse.
Here's to Monte though! Nothing better than a +260 no doubter.
Yeah, cheers on Monte. To think that there were Fields bettors out there is hillarious. At least everybody over here was on the Barrett train.
Royally screwed is about right, now at least you know what it feels like to get away with a heist.
I will forever recognize this weekend as "Fucked over Saturday".
First Santiago does not get a well deserved decision and then that incompetent old box Cortez Fucks everyone out of their well deserved winnings.
Lets see-
Lorenzo uses his head the whole fight.
Lorenzo dips so far down that his right knee almost touches the canvas twice before the final combo.
Cortez jumps in to stop the fight and then changes his mind.
Cortez DQ's Soto on a punch that barely grazed him.
Cortez holds his hand over his mike so no one can hear him fucking Soto.
Cortez talks about "safety first". This is after leaving Lorenzo in a puddle of his own blood for over 5 minutes with no doctors..
FUCK Joe Cortez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't know what else to add to that Wee. You pretty much nailed it on the head. I wonder at what point did Cortez realize that he had made one of the most retarded referee decisions in recent memory?
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Quote Originally Posted by weepaul:
I will forever recognize this weekend as "Fucked over Saturday".
First Santiago does not get a well deserved decision and then that incompetent old box Cortez Fucks everyone out of their well deserved winnings.
Lets see-
Lorenzo uses his head the whole fight.
Lorenzo dips so far down that his right knee almost touches the canvas twice before the final combo.
Cortez jumps in to stop the fight and then changes his mind.
Cortez DQ's Soto on a punch that barely grazed him.
Cortez holds his hand over his mike so no one can hear him fucking Soto.
Cortez talks about "safety first". This is after leaving Lorenzo in a puddle of his own blood for over 5 minutes with no doctors..
FUCK Joe Cortez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't know what else to add to that Wee. You pretty much nailed it on the head. I wonder at what point did Cortez realize that he had made one of the most retarded referee decisions in recent memory?
Am I seeing things, or is this really a line for the fight tonight?
Minto/Poore starts Rd 2 -310
Fight won't start Rd 2 +230
You're definitely not seeing things. The line movement indicates that the sharps believe this one is going into the second round. When I checked it out yesterday afternoon, it was -140 on the fight going over a round, with +100 on the under.
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Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:
Barrett rules
Congrats on a great week
Am I seeing things, or is this really a line for the fight tonight?
Minto/Poore starts Rd 2 -310
Fight won't start Rd 2 +230
You're definitely not seeing things. The line movement indicates that the sharps believe this one is going into the second round. When I checked it out yesterday afternoon, it was -140 on the fight going over a round, with +100 on the under.
You're definitely not seeing things. The line movement indicates that the sharps believe this one is going into the second round. When I checked it out yesterday afternoon, it was -140 on the fight going over a round, with +100 on the under.
I gotta disagree with that statement. . . how often do you see an O/U of 1 rd? I would think almost anyone would pay -140 over 1 rd in almost any fight that didn't include Mike Tyson in the late 80's. I would think the squares, and people looking to buy it back later would be the first action on a line like that. My BS meter went off in my head immediately. . . but I haven't looked into this thing at all, just saw the line and raised the question. Even worse - would you bet even money on an under 1 rd? I wouldn't no matter who it was, yet why did the line open that low?
Side note - where do you book? I currently use 5Dimes predominantly for boxing (sometimes matchbook too), and a lot of times I notice you have lines up either before they do, or you grabbed them at a much better price than I ever saw them. Also, with the book you use, how reliable/fast are they on your withdraws?
Thanks man
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Quote Originally Posted by A2C:
You're definitely not seeing things. The line movement indicates that the sharps believe this one is going into the second round. When I checked it out yesterday afternoon, it was -140 on the fight going over a round, with +100 on the under.
I gotta disagree with that statement. . . how often do you see an O/U of 1 rd? I would think almost anyone would pay -140 over 1 rd in almost any fight that didn't include Mike Tyson in the late 80's. I would think the squares, and people looking to buy it back later would be the first action on a line like that. My BS meter went off in my head immediately. . . but I haven't looked into this thing at all, just saw the line and raised the question. Even worse - would you bet even money on an under 1 rd? I wouldn't no matter who it was, yet why did the line open that low?
Side note - where do you book? I currently use 5Dimes predominantly for boxing (sometimes matchbook too), and a lot of times I notice you have lines up either before they do, or you grabbed them at a much better price than I ever saw them. Also, with the book you use, how reliable/fast are they on your withdraws?
I gotta disagree with that statement. . . how often do you see an O/U of 1 rd? I would think almost anyone would pay -140 over 1 rd in almost any fight that didn't include Mike Tyson in the late 80's. I would think the squares, and people looking to buy it back later would be the first action on a line like that. My BS meter went off in my head immediately. . . but I haven't looked into this thing at all, just saw the line and raised the question. Even worse - would you bet even money on an under 1 rd? I wouldn't no matter who it was, yet why did the line open that low?
Side note - where do you book? I currently use 5Dimes predominantly for boxing (sometimes matchbook too), and a lot of times I notice you have lines up either before they do, or you grabbed them at a much better price than I ever saw them. Also, with the book you use, how reliable/fast are they on your withdraws?
Thanks man
I guess I use the term "sharp" more liberally than you. I consider anyone who attacks lines right when they go up to be somewhat of a gambling sharp, as they're obviously paying more attention to betting lines than whatever "real world" occupation they're supposedly engaged in. Usually, the line movement gets caused by people maxing out 5dimes' relatively low limits, and that's who I'm referring to...I use 5dimes and Bodog currently. I have used 5dimes and sportsbook in conjunction in the past, but I like Bodog more than SB for several reasons: (1) Bodog immediately grades wagers, while SB sometimes lets them slide for several days because they're unprofessional, (2) Bodog's boxing lines move much more slowly than 5D, so, for example, you could've gotten the Soto under at +160 hours after it was at +110 at 5dimes, (3) Bodog sometimes misposts their lines when they copy them, and they've always honored these wagers in the past, and (4) on rare occasions, Bodog forgets to take down lines after a fight has been completed, offering an opportunity for easy money. Also, Bodog has been good about paying out lately. The props and juice (-120 on each side of an even match) suck at Bodog, but usually the side I want to bet has better odds there than at 5D. I usually make my sides and totals wagers at Bodog, while I make outcome props bets on 5dimes. It's worked out pretty well.
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Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:
I gotta disagree with that statement. . . how often do you see an O/U of 1 rd? I would think almost anyone would pay -140 over 1 rd in almost any fight that didn't include Mike Tyson in the late 80's. I would think the squares, and people looking to buy it back later would be the first action on a line like that. My BS meter went off in my head immediately. . . but I haven't looked into this thing at all, just saw the line and raised the question. Even worse - would you bet even money on an under 1 rd? I wouldn't no matter who it was, yet why did the line open that low?
Side note - where do you book? I currently use 5Dimes predominantly for boxing (sometimes matchbook too), and a lot of times I notice you have lines up either before they do, or you grabbed them at a much better price than I ever saw them. Also, with the book you use, how reliable/fast are they on your withdraws?
Thanks man
I guess I use the term "sharp" more liberally than you. I consider anyone who attacks lines right when they go up to be somewhat of a gambling sharp, as they're obviously paying more attention to betting lines than whatever "real world" occupation they're supposedly engaged in. Usually, the line movement gets caused by people maxing out 5dimes' relatively low limits, and that's who I'm referring to...I use 5dimes and Bodog currently. I have used 5dimes and sportsbook in conjunction in the past, but I like Bodog more than SB for several reasons: (1) Bodog immediately grades wagers, while SB sometimes lets them slide for several days because they're unprofessional, (2) Bodog's boxing lines move much more slowly than 5D, so, for example, you could've gotten the Soto under at +160 hours after it was at +110 at 5dimes, (3) Bodog sometimes misposts their lines when they copy them, and they've always honored these wagers in the past, and (4) on rare occasions, Bodog forgets to take down lines after a fight has been completed, offering an opportunity for easy money. Also, Bodog has been good about paying out lately. The props and juice (-120 on each side of an even match) suck at Bodog, but usually the side I want to bet has better odds there than at 5D. I usually make my sides and totals wagers at Bodog, while I make outcome props bets on 5dimes. It's worked out pretty well.
Good stuff man, thanks. . . I just have heard bad stuff about BoDog in things other than boxing. . . I know people have to deal with up to 40 cent lines in baseball sometimes, and that's just absurd - but for boxing I may have to look into putting a small amount in there. Thanks.
I can see your point about "sharp" definition. . . sometimes I forget this isn't another of the many forums on here where the word gets thrown around erroneously and at will. Sometimes it's easy to out-think a line I guess
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Good stuff man, thanks. . . I just have heard bad stuff about BoDog in things other than boxing. . . I know people have to deal with up to 40 cent lines in baseball sometimes, and that's just absurd - but for boxing I may have to look into putting a small amount in there. Thanks.
I can see your point about "sharp" definition. . . sometimes I forget this isn't another of the many forums on here where the word gets thrown around erroneously and at will. Sometimes it's easy to out-think a line I guess
Good stuff man, thanks. . . I just have heard bad stuff about BoDog in things other than boxing. . . I know people have to deal with up to 40 cent lines in baseball sometimes, and that's just absurd - but for boxing I may have to look into putting a small amount in there. Thanks.
I can see your point about "sharp" definition. . . sometimes I forget this isn't another of the many forums on here where the word gets thrown around erroneously and at will. Sometimes it's easy to out-think a line I guess
I think it's good to have a little $$ in BD just because lines move so fast on 5dimes...Regarding baseball, I know that they post 20 cent lines overnight, but they switch it to 10 cent in the late morning for all the close games (you'll see -140, +130), but when it gets to around -160, the dog is +145, and of course it gets worse from there (-220, +200). Personally, I think it's silly to bet a lot on baseball unless you're using a betting exchange like matchbook, as baseball's more of a marathon betting season where you never know which bets you're going to win. As a result, the juice has a major impact on overall profits. But boxing's a lot different, because i usually feel like I mis-analyzed the matchup when I lose. I pretty much expect to win every boxing bet I make, so the juice doesn't really bother me there. Now, if only I could actually win every one of those bets...
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Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:
Good stuff man, thanks. . . I just have heard bad stuff about BoDog in things other than boxing. . . I know people have to deal with up to 40 cent lines in baseball sometimes, and that's just absurd - but for boxing I may have to look into putting a small amount in there. Thanks.
I can see your point about "sharp" definition. . . sometimes I forget this isn't another of the many forums on here where the word gets thrown around erroneously and at will. Sometimes it's easy to out-think a line I guess
I think it's good to have a little $$ in BD just because lines move so fast on 5dimes...Regarding baseball, I know that they post 20 cent lines overnight, but they switch it to 10 cent in the late morning for all the close games (you'll see -140, +130), but when it gets to around -160, the dog is +145, and of course it gets worse from there (-220, +200). Personally, I think it's silly to bet a lot on baseball unless you're using a betting exchange like matchbook, as baseball's more of a marathon betting season where you never know which bets you're going to win. As a result, the juice has a major impact on overall profits. But boxing's a lot different, because i usually feel like I mis-analyzed the matchup when I lose. I pretty much expect to win every boxing bet I make, so the juice doesn't really bother me there. Now, if only I could actually win every one of those bets...
Personally, I think it's silly to bet a lot on baseball unless you're using a betting exchange like matchbook, as baseball's more of a marathon betting season where you never know which bets you're going to win. As a result, the juice has a major impact on overall profits. But boxing's a lot different, because i usually feel like I mis-analyzed the matchup when I lose. I pretty much expect to win every boxing bet I make, so the juice doesn't really bother me there. Now, if only I could actually win every one of those bets...
Agreed.
I say 40 cent lines because I typically am a dog bettor in baseball, and I'll take an over +200 dog almost blindly, especially against big market teams. When that becomes a -260/+220 thing, it's just annoying. Matchbook is the only place to play daily for bases as far as I'm concerned, and I bet 5Dimes every once in a while when I want to do an adjusted RL, Total, or Team total.
Sorry to hijack the thread Fullbrights. . . I got a bad habit of that.
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Quote Originally Posted by A2C:
Personally, I think it's silly to bet a lot on baseball unless you're using a betting exchange like matchbook, as baseball's more of a marathon betting season where you never know which bets you're going to win. As a result, the juice has a major impact on overall profits. But boxing's a lot different, because i usually feel like I mis-analyzed the matchup when I lose. I pretty much expect to win every boxing bet I make, so the juice doesn't really bother me there. Now, if only I could actually win every one of those bets...
Agreed.
I say 40 cent lines because I typically am a dog bettor in baseball, and I'll take an over +200 dog almost blindly, especially against big market teams. When that becomes a -260/+220 thing, it's just annoying. Matchbook is the only place to play daily for bases as far as I'm concerned, and I bet 5Dimes every once in a while when I want to do an adjusted RL, Total, or Team total.
Sorry to hijack the thread Fullbrights. . . I got a bad habit of that.
Did anyone else think that Minto starts round 2 yelled sucker from the start? I wasn't about to play it not lasting a single round, yet I got this strange feeling that someone knew something that I didn't and that was the likely outcome.
Poore was pure garbage and was definitely there to take a belly-flop last night.
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No need to apologize G8RB8, hijack away.
Did anyone else think that Minto starts round 2 yelled sucker from the start? I wasn't about to play it not lasting a single round, yet I got this strange feeling that someone knew something that I didn't and that was the likely outcome.
Poore was pure garbage and was definitely there to take a belly-flop last night.
I agree FB. Whoever set that line knew that Poore was garbage and probably wouldn't make it out of the first round. 5dimes must have made a killing on the supposed "sharps" jumping on that over 1 at -140, as they pushed it all the way to -310. The best play would've been to take that under at +230 before the books moved the total to 3.5. Then again, that was a fishy line to put any money on, so I took a pass.
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I agree FB. Whoever set that line knew that Poore was garbage and probably wouldn't make it out of the first round. 5dimes must have made a killing on the supposed "sharps" jumping on that over 1 at -140, as they pushed it all the way to -310. The best play would've been to take that under at +230 before the books moved the total to 3.5. Then again, that was a fishy line to put any money on, so I took a pass.
Did anyone else think that Minto starts round 2 yelled sucker from the start? I wasn't about to play it not lasting a single round, yet I got this strange feeling that someone knew something that I didn't and that was the likely outcome.
Poore was pure garbage and was definitely there to take a belly-flop last night.
Did anyone else think that Minto starts round 2 yelled sucker from the start? I wasn't about to play it not lasting a single round, yet I got this strange feeling that someone knew something that I didn't and that was the likely outcome.
Poore was pure garbage and was definitely there to take a belly-flop last night.
Didn't get to see the fight live, I was out of town for the 4th, but
all you can say about that one is wow. What a turn of events, I knew
the result before watching it, but still was shocked by how it all went
down. Torres was stupid for getting reckless, I have no doubt that he
was within 30 seconds of getting Holt out of there for good if he
doesn't get retarded. That said, the head butt had pretty much
everything to do with the right hand that Holt landed; when he stumbled
back from the butt he was open to a punch from grandma. Tough loss,
but not a big one. I would make the same bet again in a heartbeat.
Holt is fade material against any legitimate puncher; his chin will
always be crap.
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.80 of a unit on Torres ITD (+395) vs Holt
Didn't get to see the fight live, I was out of town for the 4th, but
all you can say about that one is wow. What a turn of events, I knew
the result before watching it, but still was shocked by how it all went
down. Torres was stupid for getting reckless, I have no doubt that he
was within 30 seconds of getting Holt out of there for good if he
doesn't get retarded. That said, the head butt had pretty much
everything to do with the right hand that Holt landed; when he stumbled
back from the butt he was open to a punch from grandma. Tough loss,
but not a big one. I would make the same bet again in a heartbeat.
Holt is fade material against any legitimate puncher; his chin will
always be crap.
I agree with you on your evaluation of the fight, FB. I guess my only reason for diverging from you is that I felt like Holt would know about his chin vulnerability, so he would fight much more cautiously, producing a boring, distance fight. Torres tried to prevent that from the get-go, and we all witnessed the result of his overzealous execution of a fightplan.
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I agree with you on your evaluation of the fight, FB. I guess my only reason for diverging from you is that I felt like Holt would know about his chin vulnerability, so he would fight much more cautiously, producing a boring, distance fight. Torres tried to prevent that from the get-go, and we all witnessed the result of his overzealous execution of a fightplan.
.50 of a unit on Under 7.5 rounds (+225) in Trout-Tyson I took the under for a couple of reasons at those odds; first what I perceived to be a big talent gap based on pedigree and also the fact that Tyson has been down before to a guy who was 6-17. Well turns out the talent gap was definitely there, but Tyson has a decent set of whiskers. Trout landed a good many clean shots, he just didn't do any big time damage until the last.
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.50 of a unit on Under 7.5 rounds (+225) in Trout-Tyson I took the under for a couple of reasons at those odds; first what I perceived to be a big talent gap based on pedigree and also the fact that Tyson has been down before to a guy who was 6-17. Well turns out the talent gap was definitely there, but Tyson has a decent set of whiskers. Trout landed a good many clean shots, he just didn't do any big time damage until the last.
I agree with you on your evaluation of the fight, FB. I guess my only reason for diverging from you is that I felt like Holt would know about his chin vulnerability, so he would fight much more cautiously, producing a boring, distance fight. Torres tried to prevent that from the get-go, and we all witnessed the result of his overzealous execution of a fightplan.
Yeah, I definitely see what you are saying. I don't know if you agree but I think even with a cautious fight plan Holt is a scary bet against a puncher. He is one of the chinniest title holders out there IMO.
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Quote Originally Posted by A2C:
I agree with you on your evaluation of the fight, FB. I guess my only reason for diverging from you is that I felt like Holt would know about his chin vulnerability, so he would fight much more cautiously, producing a boring, distance fight. Torres tried to prevent that from the get-go, and we all witnessed the result of his overzealous execution of a fightplan.
Yeah, I definitely see what you are saying. I don't know if you agree but I think even with a cautious fight plan Holt is a scary bet against a puncher. He is one of the chinniest title holders out there IMO.
That's true about the chin. A cautious fight plan will only work if Holt's going against someone who's a definitive step below in the speed department. I pegged Torres as being that guy (just as Arnaoutis was), but we may never know for sure. Even if there's a Torres-Holt III, we might not get a real answer because Torres could be damaged at this point.
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That's true about the chin. A cautious fight plan will only work if Holt's going against someone who's a definitive step below in the speed department. I pegged Torres as being that guy (just as Arnaoutis was), but we may never know for sure. Even if there's a Torres-Holt III, we might not get a real answer because Torres could be damaged at this point.
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