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    Saturday HBO Doubleheader

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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2012 - 7:27 PM ET #1

    Nice doubleheader on HBO tonight, two intriguing fights but for drastically different reasons. Everyone is expecting a war in the opening bout between Rios and Alvarado. I'm not so sure about that assumption...

    I do expect a good pace, but a war usually requires two participants. I don't really feel Alvarado will be competitive in this fight. Both men are defensively deficient and solid offensively. The only problem I see is that Alvarado is too loose and simply outgunned. 

    If you're looking at Rios as beatable, you're exactly right. Abril beat him very easily and was robbed. The blueprint exists - stay on the outside, pile up points, smother and/or clinch and don't let him get off inside. Alvarado isn't a guy that is capable or willing to repeat this game plan. He's coming to fight and he'll be punished.

    Rios -150, 22.5 units to win 15.

    Nishioka is good. Hasn't lost in almost a decade. Veteran. Smart. Durable. The problem is that Donaire is great. The general consensus is that Donaire will win a decision against Nishioka. I don't see that happening.

    Nishioka has only been stopped once and that was in his second professional bout. In fact, he's rarely been in much trouble in his career. However, I did see something about him that I don't like. 

    He was dropped in the first round against Jhonny Gonzalez by a nice straight right hand. The problem was that there was only about 30 seconds left in the round. When he was hurt, he simply backed straight up and attempted to run. He didn't attempt to clinch or tie Gonzalez up whatsoever. Basically, I don't feel he'll be able to survive if Donaire hurts him at any point in the fight.
    Much like Alvarado, he's fighting a better version of himself. 

    Donaire ITD, -128. 6.4 units to win 5. 




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    Nice doubleheader on HBO tonight, two intriguing fights but for drastically different reasons. Everyone is expecting a war in the opening bout between Rios and Alvarado. I'm not so sure about that assumption...

    I do expect a good pace, but a war usually requires two participants. I don't really feel Alvarado will be competitive in this fight. Both men are defensively deficient and solid offensively. The only problem I see is that Alvarado is too loose and simply outgunned. 

    If you're looking at Rios as beatable, you're exactly right. Abril beat him very easily and was robbed. The blueprint exists - stay on the outside, pile up points, smother and/or clinch and don't let him get off inside. Alvarado isn't a guy that is capable or willing to repeat this game plan. He's coming to fight and he'll be punished.

    Rios -150, 22.5 units to win 15.

    Nishioka is good. Hasn't lost in almost a decade. Veteran. Smart. Durable. The problem is that Donaire is great. The general consensus is that Donaire will win a decision against Nishioka. I don't see that happening.

    Nishioka has only been stopped once and that was in his second professional bout. In fact, he's rarely been in much trouble in his career. However, I did see something about him that I don't like. 

    He was dropped in the first round against Jhonny Gonzalez by a nice straight right hand. The problem was that there was only about 30 seconds left in the round. When he was hurt, he simply backed straight up and attempted to run. He didn't attempt to clinch or tie Gonzalez up whatsoever. Basically, I don't feel he'll be able to survive if Donaire hurts him at any point in the fight.
    Much like Alvarado, he's fighting a better version of himself. 

    Donaire ITD, -128. 6.4 units to win 5. 




     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2012 - 7:52 PM ET #2

    Walk nice write up. I agree Rios wins...Think it hits the cards ?

     

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    Walk nice write up. I agree Rios wins...Think it hits the cards ?

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by eldorado:

    Walk nice write up. I agree Rios wins...Think it hits the cards ?

     


    Thanks man. Gun to my head? No. 
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    Walk nice write up. I agree Rios wins...Think it hits the cards ?

     


    Thanks man. Gun to my head? No. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2012 - 8:10 PM ET #4

    I am on the same page with you here, I got nonito to win by dec+125 and rios to simply win -163....
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    I am on the same page with you here, I got nonito to win by dec+125 and rios to simply win -163....
     
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    after nonito loses you will always relize how overated donaire is.  He's a great fighter, except he's one dimensional and has a lot of flaws.  Ths writing has been on the wall wiht this 3 last fights.  He's been exposed.  He's not winning tonight.  
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    after nonito loses you will always relize how overated donaire is.  He's a great fighter, except he's one dimensional and has a lot of flaws.  Ths writing has been on the wall wiht this 3 last fights.  He's been exposed.  He's not winning tonight.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:

    after nonito loses you will always relize how overated donaire is.  He's a great fighter, except he's one dimensional and has a lot of flaws.  Ths writing has been on the wall wiht this 3 last fights.  He's been exposed.  He's not winning tonight.  

    There are fighters that will beat him. Nishioka isn't one of them. There simply isn't anything dynamic about him. Also, I know you understand that Nishioka would have to completely dominate Donaire. At this point, I'm not sure anyone is able to DOMINATE Donaire. Once again, defeat him? Yes. Crush him? Absolutely not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:

    after nonito loses you will always relize how overated donaire is.  He's a great fighter, except he's one dimensional and has a lot of flaws.  Ths writing has been on the wall wiht this 3 last fights.  He's been exposed.  He's not winning tonight.  

    There are fighters that will beat him. Nishioka isn't one of them. There simply isn't anything dynamic about him. Also, I know you understand that Nishioka would have to completely dominate Donaire. At this point, I'm not sure anyone is able to DOMINATE Donaire. Once again, defeat him? Yes. Crush him? Absolutely not.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2012 - 10:09 PM ET #7

    Like Alvarado in this one. Somehoe Rios just seems a bit undisciplined to me



    PEACE!
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    Like Alvarado in this one. Somehoe Rios just seems a bit undisciplined to me



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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2012 - 10:46 PM ET #8

    one of the greatest toe to toe battles that I have ever seen and I bet rios to win to top it off... an epic
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    one of the greatest toe to toe battles that I have ever seen and I bet rios to win to top it off... an epic
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2012 - 11:47 PM ET #9

    That was an outstanding fight soul. I would love to see it again, that's for sure. Won't happen though, as Rios has a ton of marketability and is set to cash in on that sometime soon. 

    +20 units on the night.
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    That was an outstanding fight soul. I would love to see it again, that's for sure. Won't happen though, as Rios has a ton of marketability and is set to cash in on that sometime soon. 

    +20 units on the night.
     
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    Nice job on the writeup and congratulations to all the winners. I refuse to participate till the mods get rid of a certain asshole in this forum.

    Have a great weekend everyone 

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    Nice job on the writeup and congratulations to all the winners. I refuse to participate till the mods get rid of a certain asshole in this forum.

    Have a great weekend everyone 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2012 - 6:31 AM ET #11

    just came in to see what was said about the saturday fights...Good job walk...Congrats
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    just came in to see what was said about the saturday fights...Good job walk...Congrats
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2012 - 1:39 PM ET #12

    nice win, walktheline.
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