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    JROCK1966
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2013 - 7:27 PM ET #1201

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire15:

    Don't let this turn into a thread about whether or not linesmakers are reading the post, please.
    Those dastardly linesmakers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire15:

    Don't let this turn into a thread about whether or not linesmakers are reading the post, please.
    Those dastardly linesmakers!
     
    ratbastard
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2013 - 10:21 AM ET #1202

    Quote Originally Posted by peter10:



    don't be silly you really think  the lines makers are looking at this post  ,
     the lines come out just about right on the money from the power ratings giving 3 points to the home team . most times 

    Dartmouth +13  nobody adjusted this line tonight 


    Not me at all. The line makers don't give a crap it's Kine that thinks they're hanging on every post in this thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter10:



    don't be silly you really think  the lines makers are looking at this post  ,
     the lines come out just about right on the money from the power ratings giving 3 points to the home team . most times 

    Dartmouth +13  nobody adjusted this line tonight 


    Not me at all. The line makers don't give a crap it's Kine that thinks they're hanging on every post in this thread!
     
    ratbastard
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2013 - 10:33 AM ET #1203

    Quote Originally Posted by peter10:



    don't be silly you really think  the lines makers are looking at this post  ,
     the lines come out just about right on the money from the power ratings giving 3 points to the home team . most times 

    Dartmouth +13  nobody adjusted this line tonight 


    Check post #10 in Spitfires thread listed below

    Kenpom underdog system? Does anyon...





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    Quote Originally Posted by peter10:



    don't be silly you really think  the lines makers are looking at this post  ,
     the lines come out just about right on the money from the power ratings giving 3 points to the home team . most times 

    Dartmouth +13  nobody adjusted this line tonight 


    Check post #10 in Spitfires thread listed below

    Kenpom underdog system? Does anyon...





     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2013 - 11:27 AM ET #1204

    I won't be making a new thread about this years system but for the few "vets" in the thread (for instance if you know what kenpom is you might be a "vet"), here is what is new this year.

    I've been using the system all season to narrow down games to consider betting on with awesome results (ask Kapono how I'm running if you like).  

    The actual system doesn't technically start till next Saturday.  The system guidelines change year to year based on the overall quality of mid-major teams (and bottom level teams from big conferences).  This influences what kenpom ranking the system should start from (ie if you think mid-major basketball quality is down this year, then the kenpom ranking should go down and you might consider the cutoff around 160 for example).  Obviously, if you think mid-major teams (and bottom tier big conference teams) are stronger this year then you would shift the kenpom ranking cutoff up, like around 200.  If your familiar with the teams from kenpom rankings 150ish-200, ask yourself which of these teams do I want to be AGAINST when they are big home favorites against "inferior" opponents.  

    Also, take a look at the teams around kenpom rankings 250-300 and ask yourself how big a difference do you believe exist between those teams and the teams around 150-250 in the rankings.  What this will tell you is what the "spread" cutoff should be.  The bigger the difference you believe exists between those teams, the bigger the line should be to constitute a play (let's say +9 or higher for this example).  The closer you think these teams are the smaller the line can be to make it a play.  

    Take the Wilmington vs Hofstra game for example.  Clearly, Wilmington sucks and at kenpom ranking 275, the will always be a candidate for the system (both play on and against depending on the opponent).  But how big of a gap do you believe exists between those two teams?  The line opened at 5dimes at 6, which makes that spread too small to technically qualify for a system play, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't still look at the game and consider it for a play.  In my opinion if you consistently lay the points in the above situations you will eventually go broke betting college hoops (that's not to say that Wilmington won't cover in this particular example but over the course of an entire system the EV doesn't justify the play).

    The point of this post is twofold: 1. Just use the system as a guideline for selecting game to study and consider betting (always try to back the points) and 2. Based on YOUR observations of college hoops this system, YOU can manipulate the guidelines (ie what kenpom ranking to start it at and what point spread to start it at) at which to start the system.  I might say kenpom 200 and point spreads starting at 9 or higher and you might say kenpom 160 and pt spreads of 6.5 or higher.  We won't know who is "right" until after this season ends.  This paragraph would actually make for "useful" discussion in this thread (I know that's a novel concept).

    *if this post doesn't make sense to you, go back and read the first posts of this thread or just face the grim reality that this system is not for you.
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    I won't be making a new thread about this years system but for the few "vets" in the thread (for instance if you know what kenpom is you might be a "vet"), here is what is new this year.

    I've been using the system all season to narrow down games to consider betting on with awesome results (ask Kapono how I'm running if you like).  

    The actual system doesn't technically start till next Saturday.  The system guidelines change year to year based on the overall quality of mid-major teams (and bottom level teams from big conferences).  This influences what kenpom ranking the system should start from (ie if you think mid-major basketball quality is down this year, then the kenpom ranking should go down and you might consider the cutoff around 160 for example).  Obviously, if you think mid-major teams (and bottom tier big conference teams) are stronger this year then you would shift the kenpom ranking cutoff up, like around 200.  If your familiar with the teams from kenpom rankings 150ish-200, ask yourself which of these teams do I want to be AGAINST when they are big home favorites against "inferior" opponents.  

    Also, take a look at the teams around kenpom rankings 250-300 and ask yourself how big a difference do you believe exist between those teams and the teams around 150-250 in the rankings.  What this will tell you is what the "spread" cutoff should be.  The bigger the difference you believe exists between those teams, the bigger the line should be to constitute a play (let's say +9 or higher for this example).  The closer you think these teams are the smaller the line can be to make it a play.  

    Take the Wilmington vs Hofstra game for example.  Clearly, Wilmington sucks and at kenpom ranking 275, the will always be a candidate for the system (both play on and against depending on the opponent).  But how big of a gap do you believe exists between those two teams?  The line opened at 5dimes at 6, which makes that spread too small to technically qualify for a system play, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't still look at the game and consider it for a play.  In my opinion if you consistently lay the points in the above situations you will eventually go broke betting college hoops (that's not to say that Wilmington won't cover in this particular example but over the course of an entire system the EV doesn't justify the play).

    The point of this post is twofold: 1. Just use the system as a guideline for selecting game to study and consider betting (always try to back the points) and 2. Based on YOUR observations of college hoops this system, YOU can manipulate the guidelines (ie what kenpom ranking to start it at and what point spread to start it at) at which to start the system.  I might say kenpom 200 and point spreads starting at 9 or higher and you might say kenpom 160 and pt spreads of 6.5 or higher.  We won't know who is "right" until after this season ends.  This paragraph would actually make for "useful" discussion in this thread (I know that's a novel concept).

    *if this post doesn't make sense to you, go back and read the first posts of this thread or just face the grim reality that this system is not for you.
     
    ryno23
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2013 - 2:54 PM ET #1205

    [Quote: Originally Posted by KineProfessor] I won't be making a new thread about this years system but for the few "vets" in the thread (for instance if you know what kenpom is you might be a "vet"), here is what is new this year.

    I've been using the system all season to narrow down games to consider betting on with awesome results (ask Kapono how I'm running if you like).  

    The actual system doesn't technically start till next Saturday.  The system guidelines change year to year based on the overall quality of mid-major teams (and bottom level teams from big conferences).  This influences what kenpom ranking the system should start from (ie if you think mid-major basketball quality is down this year, then the kenpom ranking should go down and you might consider the cutoff around 160 for example).  Obviously, if you think mid-major teams (and bottom tier big conference teams) are stronger this year then you would shift the kenpom ranking cutoff up, like around 200.  If your familiar with the teams from kenpom rankings 150ish-200, ask yourself which of these teams do I want to be AGAINST when they are big home favorites against "inferior" opponents.  

    Also, take a look at the teams around kenpom rankings 250-300 and ask yourself how big a difference do you believe exist between those teams and the teams around 150-250 in the rankings.  What this will tell you is what the "spread" cutoff should be.  The bigger the difference you believe exists between those teams, the bigger the line should be to constitute a play (let's say +9 or higher for this example).  The closer you think these teams are the smaller the line can be to make it a play.  

    Take the Wilmington vs Hofstra game for example.  Clearly, Wilmington sucks and at kenpom ranking 275, the will always be a candidate for the system (both play on and against depending on the opponent).  But how big of a gap do you believe exists between those two teams?  The line opened at 5dimes at 6, which makes that spread too small to technically qualify for a system play, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't still look at the game and consider it for a play.  In my opinion if you consistently lay the points in the above situations you will eventually go broke betting college hoops (that's not to say that Wilmington won't cover in this particular example but over the course of an entire system the EV doesn't justify the play).

    The point of this post is twofold: 1. Just use the system as a guideline for selecting game to study and consider betting (always try to back the points) and 2. Based on YOUR observations of college hoops this system, YOU can manipulate the guidelines (ie what kenpom ranking to start it at and what point spread to start it at) at which to start the system.  I might say kenpom 200 and point spreads starting at 9 or higher and you might say kenpom 160 and pt spreads of 6.5 or higher.  We won't know who is "right" until after this season ends.  This paragraph would actually make for "useful" discussion in this thread (I know that's a novel concept).

    *if this post doesn't make sense to you, go back and read the first posts of this thread or just face the grim reality that this system is not /Quote]hey kine, thanks for the post...pre system...16-9 ,
     
    i was posting  subtly but someoen else decided to run with it so im just capping as i see them. post is spot on for me, i found that i will grade a play that fits system with a personal rating and i will play more or less depending on what i feel is strength and what you said above is what i kind of take into acct. been doing well also.
    i just figure if they know the system parameters they can play them without me having to post.  nice to see you again..hope all is well...ryno
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by KineProfessor] I won't be making a new thread about this years system but for the few "vets" in the thread (for instance if you know what kenpom is you might be a "vet"), here is what is new this year.

    I've been using the system all season to narrow down games to consider betting on with awesome results (ask Kapono how I'm running if you like).  

    The actual system doesn't technically start till next Saturday.  The system guidelines change year to year based on the overall quality of mid-major teams (and bottom level teams from big conferences).  This influences what kenpom ranking the system should start from (ie if you think mid-major basketball quality is down this year, then the kenpom ranking should go down and you might consider the cutoff around 160 for example).  Obviously, if you think mid-major teams (and bottom tier big conference teams) are stronger this year then you would shift the kenpom ranking cutoff up, like around 200.  If your familiar with the teams from kenpom rankings 150ish-200, ask yourself which of these teams do I want to be AGAINST when they are big home favorites against "inferior" opponents.  

    Also, take a look at the teams around kenpom rankings 250-300 and ask yourself how big a difference do you believe exist between those teams and the teams around 150-250 in the rankings.  What this will tell you is what the "spread" cutoff should be.  The bigger the difference you believe exists between those teams, the bigger the line should be to constitute a play (let's say +9 or higher for this example).  The closer you think these teams are the smaller the line can be to make it a play.  

    Take the Wilmington vs Hofstra game for example.  Clearly, Wilmington sucks and at kenpom ranking 275, the will always be a candidate for the system (both play on and against depending on the opponent).  But how big of a gap do you believe exists between those two teams?  The line opened at 5dimes at 6, which makes that spread too small to technically qualify for a system play, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't still look at the game and consider it for a play.  In my opinion if you consistently lay the points in the above situations you will eventually go broke betting college hoops (that's not to say that Wilmington won't cover in this particular example but over the course of an entire system the EV doesn't justify the play).

    The point of this post is twofold: 1. Just use the system as a guideline for selecting game to study and consider betting (always try to back the points) and 2. Based on YOUR observations of college hoops this system, YOU can manipulate the guidelines (ie what kenpom ranking to start it at and what point spread to start it at) at which to start the system.  I might say kenpom 200 and point spreads starting at 9 or higher and you might say kenpom 160 and pt spreads of 6.5 or higher.  We won't know who is "right" until after this season ends.  This paragraph would actually make for "useful" discussion in this thread (I know that's a novel concept).

    *if this post doesn't make sense to you, go back and read the first posts of this thread or just face the grim reality that this system is not /Quote]hey kine, thanks for the post...pre system...16-9 ,
     
    i was posting  subtly but someoen else decided to run with it so im just capping as i see them. post is spot on for me, i found that i will grade a play that fits system with a personal rating and i will play more or less depending on what i feel is strength and what you said above is what i kind of take into acct. been doing well also.
    i just figure if they know the system parameters they can play them without me having to post.  nice to see you again..hope all is well...ryno
     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2013 - 3:03 PM ET #1206

    KP thank you buddy good luck....
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    KP thank you buddy good luck....
     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2013 - 4:03 PM ET #1207

    Good to see ya KP


    I started my hoops betting on Monday, I'll only be doing ML's and will be a little more selective than most.  Can't be under 7 pts at any point, and if the rankings are questionable (150-170ish) I won't be playing, we'll see how it goes.  1-4 so far hitting Dartmouth.  I expect it to hit well over 20% and I am just above even at the 20% clip to this point, can't complain.


    Citadel ML for me tonight.


    Fla Atlantic qualifies, but at (6-8) in the Sunbelt facing a team that is (10-4), I certainly don't expect S Alabama to be 'giving up' at this point in the season.  Git em Citadel.
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    Good to see ya KP


    I started my hoops betting on Monday, I'll only be doing ML's and will be a little more selective than most.  Can't be under 7 pts at any point, and if the rankings are questionable (150-170ish) I won't be playing, we'll see how it goes.  1-4 so far hitting Dartmouth.  I expect it to hit well over 20% and I am just above even at the 20% clip to this point, can't complain.


    Citadel ML for me tonight.


    Fla Atlantic qualifies, but at (6-8) in the Sunbelt facing a team that is (10-4), I certainly don't expect S Alabama to be 'giving up' at this point in the season.  Git em Citadel.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2013 - 5:49 PM ET #1208

    Just starting out with CBB.  I 'm glad I found this thread.  I've been running my own system this year and it's very similar to your's. I'm very very happy.  I was on Dart last night but didn't like the ML move.

    I bet games like 569 East Carolina, 705 Citadel and 703 Tenn St. These are plays that I would make normally, but I haven't really had time to study today so no bet.  I make plays under another covers account. Hope we could share ideas. 

    BOL 

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    Just starting out with CBB.  I 'm glad I found this thread.  I've been running my own system this year and it's very similar to your's. I'm very very happy.  I was on Dart last night but didn't like the ML move.

    I bet games like 569 East Carolina, 705 Citadel and 703 Tenn St. These are plays that I would make normally, but I haven't really had time to study today so no bet.  I make plays under another covers account. Hope we could share ideas. 

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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2013 - 11:42 PM ET #1209

    are plays posted on this thread?
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    are plays posted on this thread?
     
    raffchfd
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2013 - 11:57 PM ET #1210

    Quote Originally Posted by radiobam:

    are plays posted on this thread?

    not daily, easy enough to figure out the plays on your own

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiobam:

    are plays posted on this thread?

    not daily, easy enough to figure out the plays on your own

     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2013 - 5:16 PM ET #1211

    UNC Wimington and The Citadel look good tonight.


    MLs for me, cheers.


    P.S. Couldn't find that other more recent thread....
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    UNC Wimington and The Citadel look good tonight.


    MLs for me, cheers.


    P.S. Couldn't find that other more recent thread....
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2013 - 5:43 PM ET #1212

    Fresno was the only play yesterday,at least the only one I played at +7,outright winner in OT.But not sure what opening line was,or where Nev.is on Kenpom,but to me it was a play.
    NC Wilm.won for me already,down close to 30 at half,took them sec.half which won and they came back to lose by 6 or 7,so was looking at that one already.
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    Fresno was the only play yesterday,at least the only one I played at +7,outright winner in OT.But not sure what opening line was,or where Nev.is on Kenpom,but to me it was a play.
    NC Wilm.won for me already,down close to 30 at half,took them sec.half which won and they came back to lose by 6 or 7,so was looking at that one already.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2013 - 10:28 PM ET #1213

    Citadel ML +475

    OT Winnerrrr!
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    Citadel ML +475

    OT Winnerrrr!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2013 - 11:27 PM ET #1214

    Nice win on the m/l,but 1-1 on the games,
    had a bad feeling about NCWilm.,OD just seems to always beat them,lol.
    Did you play Fresno on the m/l spitfire last night,or is Nev.higher on kenpom than I think they should be,
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    Nice win on the m/l,but 1-1 on the games,
    had a bad feeling about NCWilm.,OD just seems to always beat them,lol.
    Did you play Fresno on the m/l spitfire last night,or is Nev.higher on kenpom than I think they should be,
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2013 - 6:36 PM ET #1215

    Any plays tonight?
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    Any plays tonight?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2013 - 6:43 PM ET #1216

    Looks like La. Monroe & tenn.-Martin to my eye
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    Looks like La. Monroe & tenn.-Martin to my eye
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2013 - 6:53 PM ET #1217

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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2013 - 6:55 PM ET #1218

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeike:

    Looks like La. Monroe & tenn.-Martin to my eye


    ULM
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeike:

    Looks like La. Monroe & tenn.-Martin to my eye


    ULM
     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2013 - 5:38 AM ET #1219

    Regarding the "lined games" rule... if both teams have had roughly 50% of their games lined so far, does that qualify as a play or not??
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    Regarding the "lined games" rule... if both teams have had roughly 50% of their games lined so far, does that qualify as a play or not??
     
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    Posted: Feb. 23, 2013 - 4:44 PM ET #1220

    Quote Originally Posted by Gogic:

    Regarding the "lined games" rule... if both teams have had roughly 50% of their games lined so far, does that qualify as a play or not??


    read first post,he tells you which ones not to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gogic:

    Regarding the "lined games" rule... if both teams have had roughly 50% of their games lined so far, does that qualify as a play or not??


    read first post,he tells you which ones not to use.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 27, 2013 - 9:22 AM ET #1221

    Double checking if I am using\reading this correctly. Would Miami (Ohio) vs Bowling Green be a play tonight based on the system parameters? 
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    Double checking if I am using\reading this correctly. Would Miami (Ohio) vs Bowling Green be a play tonight based on the system parameters? 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 27, 2013 - 9:24 AM ET #1222

    Double checking if I am using\reading this correctly. Would Miami (Ohio) vs Bowling Green be a play tonight based on the system parameters? 
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    Double checking if I am using\reading this correctly. Would Miami (Ohio) vs Bowling Green be a play tonight based on the system parameters? 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 27, 2013 - 9:25 AM ET #1223

    Double checking if I am using\reading this correctly. Would Miami (Ohio) vs Bowling Green be a play tonight based on the system parameters? 
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    Double checking if I am using\reading this correctly. Would Miami (Ohio) vs Bowling Green be a play tonight based on the system parameters? 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 27, 2013 - 9:30 AM ET #1224

    Double checking if I am using\reading this correctly. Would Miami (Ohio) vs Bowling Green be a play tonight based on the system parameters? 
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    Double checking if I am using\reading this correctly. Would Miami (Ohio) vs Bowling Green be a play tonight based on the system parameters? 
     
     
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